Division IV Region 14

• RedRider1

  

  Tradition matters because you have generations of families playing for 1 school....grandpa tells grandson how to play, and the pride that goes with it.....the hard work it takes.
  
  Grandson wants to carry on that family and school legacy and puts in the desired work.
  
  Tradition matters. It's carrying the flag of those who came before you.
  
  Why do towns like Ironton, Steubenville, Coldwater, Massillon, and yes...Orrville.....continue to pump out good teams year after year. Is it coincidence? No....it's work ethic that in part, is established to uphold tradition.
• thePITman

  

  RedRider1;492028 wrote:Why do towns like Ironton, Steubenville, Coldwater, Massillon, and yes...Orrville.....continue to pump out good teams year after year. Is it coincidence? No....it's work ethic that in part, is established to uphold tradition.

  
  Agreed. But it doesn't hurt to have an abundance of athletes, either. (I am not referring to quantity)
• RedRider1

  

  Why do those towns consistently produce those abundance of athletes. All of those schools are among the best public schools in the state in regards to playoff appearances.
  
  Is it in the water? Or is it something instilled in the kids at an early age?
  
  Many kids on this years team and every Orrville team have parents who were Red Riders, grandparents, uncles, brothers.
• OQB

  

  Good stuff being said today!
  
  Another thing I would like to point out as a former player just a few years ago, our coaches talked about tradition every single day to us, and how we can't let the community down and lose. All of the coaches at Orrville, Played and graduated from Orrville, and most still live in Orrville. Orrville has had 4 coaches the last 60 or so years (Shunkweiler, Tipton, McMillan, Davault) That is tradition, and I don't see anyone ever coming in from out of town to be Orrville's head coach, they may want the job, but it will always go to a Red Riders! How many Genoa coaches actually played and graduated from Genoa??
• OQB

  

  I think we either scared off boomboomclick, or he is still recoveing from the beverage last night.
• RedRider1

  

  ^^School just let out...give him time to have his juice box and get his homework done.
• CCRolly

  

  Ha Ha....classic!
• BRF

  

  Well, I've got a few more things to say. First off, I am very proud of the Red Rider posters on here who have made excellent posts to back our position on things. Now, to the person who said tradition and history don't mean anything: you must have hated your Social Studies classes (or "hate", in case you are still taking them). Comparing talking to Orrville people to Alabama slave owners is a poor analogy. How about this one?: the old story of The Emporor's Clothes. Substitute Genoa for the emperor, his court as Genoa area, the townspeople as NW Ohio, and the little boy who pointed out in the end that the emperor was wearing no clothes at all as the Orrville faithful. (I realize that some don't know the story and will have to look it up!)
• clickclickboom

  LIke i said before a lot of cocky fans.. but the largest following.. sorry i just got out of practice.. you guys do not respect anything about Genoa.. you talk about all the d VI schools we play all 1 of them? Upper Scioto is the only D VI school on our schedule.. we have 1 DIII 5 DIV and 3 D V and when we scheduled Rossford they were a playoff team. Genoa lost the game last year yes.. Orrville hit hard.. yes.. but that does not mean we weren't prepared we just didn't execute.. we turned it over and thats the reason we lost. only one turnover was because of Orrville too(Hoobler's pick). The rest were in the backfield on the exchange.. I can say that we did not have any body to cover Miller but that was just about all Orrville had over Genoa. Genoa does not taunt the players and we do not run it up as a varsity player last year i know how little the varsity actually plays in the second half.. all the unsportsmanlike penalties are usually late hits when the runner is stopped and the whistle blows and somebody hits him late. Nothing disrespectful. Im proud of what Genoa has going and the tradition its establishing.. Vicars isn't going to jump ship anytime soon
• OQB

  

  It all makes sense now....you played in the game last year!!! Problem solved. News to you though, great teams don't have unforced turnovers. So Orrville was the better team, and the only reason why we keep talking about the size of schools you play is because you play small opponents. Play a full schedule of division II and III schools then we may have an argument. Until then keep digesting that crow buddy.
• OQB

  

  I heard that if you plug your nose you cant taste it
  
  
  
  A late hit is a late hit and it is unsportsman like, that is why they have that penalty and Genoa sure does seem to have a lot of them.
• clickclickboom

  My point is that Genoa turned it over uncharacteristically and lost the game.. Orrville had to win because Genoa lost.. Im not eating crow i thought Orrville was a solid team in before and during the game.. I also thought that Genoa was better. its that simple.. and Im proving that Genoa is not that disrespectful to its teams with all the unsportsmanlike penalties its not like were pushing the players when they're trying to get up or throwing punches we're just being a little over aggressive.. Orrville should know all about it with their block in the back on Dufe
• 5knots

  

  I give you credit for sticking up for your team.....but hey man....you got beat by a better team..period. Live with it and try to better this year. Don't keep making excuses for this or for that...you got beat. Orrville beat you. Do you think that was as good as we could have played....heck no. But we won...end of story. Maybe you get another shot this year...I hope so...not because I want to poke fun and get cocky but because it would be another great match up.
• clickclickboom

  It was a great matchup and will be but i still think that Genoa was the better team. and gave Orrville the game
• BRF

  

  clickclickboom;492483 wrote:My point is that Genoa turned it over uncharacteristically... .

  And did you ever wonder what might have been the cause of those turnovers? Perhaps a team that was coming at you with teeth bared? And don't you think for one moment that all your backer's "blatherings" didn't have an effect on that game!
• THE4RINGZ

  

  "Blatherings"?
  
  Oh it's game on and BRF is digging deep in the thesaurus
• BRF

  

  THE4RINGZ;492528 wrote:"Blatherings"?
  
  Oh it's game on and BRF is digging deep in the thesaurus

  That's a descriptive old style term, no thesaurus necessary.
• 1_beast

  

  Good work fellas!!! Appreciate the reading....keep this going! Most are not going to buy into the false dichotomy between Genoa giving Orrville the game....and Orrville TAKING it!!!
• RedRider1

  

  clickclickboom;492483 wrote:Orrville should know all about it with their block in the back on Dufe

  That was the cleanest hit I've ever seen. He may not have seen it coming,...but it wasn't a block in the back. You'd have made the same play if you had the chance.
  
  Good luck with the Purple Raiders. It all makes sense now.....
• theflagman61

  OrrvilleQB08;491702 wrote:You are really tempting me to start a thread/poll on what fans think about the Genoa fans and football program.... I bet my life more people have negative things to say than positive...
  
  
  WE HAVE HISTORY TO BACK UP OUR ARGUMENT AGAINST YOU, WHAT DOES GENOA HAVE? THE LAST THREE YEARS, WHICH INCLUDES LOSSES TO ALL QUALITY OPPONENTS YOU HAVE PLAYED.

  
  We can go back to the 70's when Coach Firestone was at Genoa and had some of the best teams in Genoa history but because they only took 2 teams per region they were shut out of the playoffs. We have a history with alot of tradition also just recently it includes the playoffs too. Not all Genoa fans are bragging and arrogant, most of us are just proud of our accomplishments and just making the playoffs is quite an honor.
• Ghmothwdwhso

  clickclickboom;492511 wrote:It was a great matchup and will be but i still think that Genoa was the better team. and gave Orrville the game

  
  That's what the Orrville fans said about the O-G game..........
• Ghmothwdwhso

  OrrvilleQB08;492478 wrote:I heard that if yoy plug your nose you cant taste it
  
  
  
  A late hit is a late hit and it is unsportsman like, that is why they have that penalty and Genoa sure does seem to have a lot of them.

  
  Amen brother, cheap is cheap , and Genoa owns cheap.
• OQB

  

  Ghmothwdwhso;492962 wrote:That's what the Orrville fans said about the O-G game..........

  
  
  O-G was the better team that night, they deserved to win!
  
  
  The difference between the Orrville posters and the Genoa posters is that we have moved on from our loss to O-G, because we are ready for the next big game Friday night verse 3-1 Div. II Mandfield Sr. We aren't bitter towards Ottawa-Glandorf and have had great conversations with them since. They have a great program, and I believe they just knocked off the number one team in Division IV last week.
  
  
  Orrville beat you last year fair and square, get over it and move on!
• OQB

  

  clickclickboom;492483 wrote:My point is that Genoa turned it over uncharacteristically and lost the game.. Orrville had to win because Genoa lost.. Im not eating crow i thought Orrville was a solid team in before and during the game.. I also thought that Genoa was better. its that simple.. and Im proving that Genoa is not that disrespectful to its teams with all the unsportsmanlike penalties its not like were pushing the players when they're trying to get up or throwing punches we're just being a little over aggressive.. Orrville should know all about it with their block in the back on Dufe

  
  
  The reason why it was so "uncharacteristic" is because you weren't playing good teams last year so you dominated everyone....until us. Orrville is the best team you played last year and was more physical than you, and we beat you. It should tell you something if your JV/freshman players are scoring at ease on the VARSITY teams you play.....They are not that good!!!
  
  
  And finally, you are not proving anything by "saying" Genoa is not disrespectful to the teams they play. The proof is there every Friday night, countless unsportmanlike penalties, and how can I forget those gestures to our fans during the game and after the game. As for that hit on the punt, it was a blind-sided hit.... sure, part of football....yes! That hit was perfectly legal and it helped get a better return. If that hit was on the opposite side of the field away from the play, that would probably be a penalty, but it was a big block we needed for that good punt return.
• bwcomet89

  Man I miss a lot when I work all day, what do you guys do? lol. All kidding aside I never said Genoa's tradition/program was better than Orrville's so I'm confused as to why I was quoted as if I did? I personally think comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges, but that is in the whole East Ohio vs. West Ohio discussion. Although it's the same state, things are very different from region to region. Put simply, Genoa has plenty of tradition. That's not a knock towards Orrville, it's in defense to those from Orrville that think Genoa is some slack town with a football team that only has 3 years to show for themselves.
  
  Genoa is the best team throughout history in the SLL, winning more titles than any other team, and having a winning record against every current member. You may not have much respect for that league, but over a 38 year history to be able to do that is pretty impressive. Coach Firestone won 109 games and, like what Rocketfan mentioned, fielded some of the most feared and mean teams around in the 70's. Before that, Coach John Roberts won over 100 games in his tenure. Thats back before they played 10 games a year too. Just because it happened before you were born does not mean it didn't happen. (Not aimed towards you BRF ) Those two coaches are the foundation of Genoa's history. After Boles left in 1997 you can tell Genoa's program did fall quite a bit. There were several coaches that came through and honestly a few of them were good coaches, but fell victim to Genoa "politics". "Play my kid, dont play theirs, run your team this way, and oh you better win or else you're out of here." Vicars coming in was huge for the program because it's finally becoming a winning program like it used to be and thanks to playoff expansion Genoa is being recognized on a state level. Genoa may not be well-known outside of NW Ohio, but around here those that know football know Comet history.
  
  As for those that keep saying Vicars is on his way out, let's just say you're wrong. His son has quoted on the "major league" site that Mike loves Genoa and wants to retire here. Also Coach Speiss has said he wants his children to grow up here so it must not be all that bad of a town for them to want to stay here and coach the long term.
  
  One last thing I would like to ask is, I read one poster say they only saw one Genoa poster come on and give Orrville respect after that game. Do you remember who that was? I don't expect to get respect in return, I'm just saying it'd be nice to get it because I am surely giving and I am yet to say anything bad towards your school.