posted by justincredible

Meanwhile, one of my wife's co-workers, who has basically not left her house and has done everything "right" just tested positive. My wife thinks she's annoyed at her because she got it and my wife hasn't.

posted by kizer permanente

You guys literally do every high risk category there is lol  

Going back to the chart...

We've gone to the same bar 3 times, I think. We've gone to a brewery twice. Only one brewery was crowded and social distancing was not possible, but it was fully outdoors. The other 4 times we were at little to no risk.

My wife works out at a gym with 1 instructor and 4-5 other people. 

We've dined out quite a few times, both indoor and outdoor, but the restaurants were taking precautions, for the most part, every time. 

I've gotten one haircut, the week barbershops were allowed to open back up.

We had one bbq with my family back in Newark.

We do grocery shop, and I do golf multiple times a week.

The riskiness of our behavior is overstated.

It's not really anything new - each family member bears the cumulative exposure of the entire family together.  Whether or not they choose to accept that risk without social distancing or wearing masks should be up to them, like anything else.

I also don't agree that people living their lives directly increases someone else's risk.  You can shelter in place if you choose.  You can get delivery or curbside pick-up of most, if not all, your necessities.  Doctor's offices and other places you might need to go can implement measures to keep you safe.

I mean, demanding bars remain closed in order to reduce your risk when you get a hair cut is equally "selfish".

The better question is if we are really doing enough for the vulnerable to do what they need to do safely.

posted by justincredible

Meanwhile, one of my wife's co-workers, who has basically not left her house and has done everything "right" just tested positive. My wife thinks she's annoyed at her because she got it and my wife hasn't.

My wife "did everything right" working with hospice patients. She wore a mask EVERYWHERE starting the first of March. I did not. I have only worn a mask at a few places that required it, and the couple customers I have visited (because their policy and our company's policy requires me to where one when visiting a customer). 

My wife got it, and got it hard. I got nothing (either never had it or asymptomatic). She didn't like that irony.

My wife has eased off on the mask wearing some since she recovered. She wears one where required and at work with the patients, but she isn't anal about it when she is out anymore. She figures she has the antibodies so she isn't getting it again nor giving it to anyone else.

I have come to the realization that we aren’t going to have sports this year unf

posted by MontyBrunswick

This seems like a huge waste of time. If a sizable portion of people give up on the social distancing/mask stuff (like they are), the overall population is gonna expose them to it sooner or later. 

The precautions you're taking are destined to fail and arguably might not prevent the spread anyway.

At this point they should just relax all restrictions and let people do what they're gonna do. Mask/no mask, social distance, etc.

Let darwinism sort itself out. 

Just doing what I’m told. The forehead temperature takes 2 seconds and I have about 20-25 kids. So I guess I could be wasting a minute or two overall but I’m not in charge of making the guidelines 

posted by geeblock

I have come to the realization that we aren’t going to have sports this year unf

Agreed in terms of college football at least.  If they are willing to completely shut down practices over positive tests, there's no point in continuing.  I'd rather have no season than 3 games and then a cancellation - or watching teams compete with 2nd and 3rd string players because starters are quarantined.  The writing is on the wall.

Bingo.

Common sense, from beyond the sea of governmental bullshit and bureaucratic control.

Doubt we see fall/winter college sports.

The pro restarts are iffy and not a chance you’ll be able to have that level of monitoring at the collegiate level.

Trends today are bad. Deaths are over 800 again, over 67k new cases and hospitalizations are increasing. 

posted by Ironman92

Just doing what I’m told. The forehead temperature takes 2 seconds and I have about 20-25 kids. So I guess I could be wasting a minute or two overall but I’m not in charge of making the guidelines 

I know. The temperature thing is stupid though because those thermometers are trash. I’ve had my temp checked before every shift since March. Idk how many times - after walking through a 90 degree parking lot - my temp inside was 96 degrees which is technically too low. Dropping my daughter off at daycare the other day and they check temps at the door. Initially her temp was 100 degrees and they were about to not let her in. They rechecked it and it was 99 so they said they’d recheck shortly and keep me in the loop. I never heard anything so it must have been fine. So one second you’re febrile and the next you’re not. Got it. It’s a stupid system that provides people a false sense of safety. 

Look, you’re either getting it (and getting it bad) or you’re not. You can do all the distancing and masking and hand washing but all it takes is one time to touch your nose with a hand that isn’t completely clean and whoops, you possibly exposed yourself. 

By the way, people with Type A blood are more high risk to get it and get it bad. Type O typically do better. 

posted by friendfromlowry

I know. The temperature thing is stupid though because those thermometers are trash. I’ve had my temp checked before every shift since March. Idk how many times - after walking through a 90 degree parking lot - my temp inside was 96 degrees which is technically too low. Dropping my daughter off at daycare the other day and they check temps at the door. Initially her temp was 100 degrees and they were about to not let her in. They rechecked it and it was 99 so they said they’d recheck shortly and keep me in the loop. I never heard anything so it must have been fine. So one second you’re febrile and the next you’re not. Got it. It’s a stupid system that provides people a false sense of safety. 

Look, you’re either getting it (and getting it bad) or you’re not. You can do all the distancing and masking and hand washing but all it takes is one time to touch your nose with a hand that isn’t completely clean and whoops, you possibly exposed yourself. 

I agree and know the thermometers are touchy at best.Greatly inconsistent. My district bought 24 of them lol

posted by jmog

My wife "did everything right" working with hospice patients. She wore a mask EVERYWHERE starting the first of March. I did not. I have only worn a mask at a few places that required it, and the couple customers I have visited (because their policy and our company's policy requires me to where one when visiting a customer). 

My wife got it, and got it hard. I got nothing (either never had it or asymptomatic). She didn't like that irony.

My wife has eased off on the mask wearing some since she recovered. She wears one where required and at work with the patients, but she isn't anal about it when she is out anymore. She figures she has the antibodies so she isn't getting it again nor giving it to anyone else.

Maybe you did get it  (asymptotic) and gave it to your wife and family? Which is what that article was saying is the risk  

posted by justincredible

Meanwhile, one of my wife's co-workers, who has basically not left her house and has done everything "right" just tested positive. My wife thinks she's annoyed at her because she got it and my wife hasn't.

I love the people on Reddit who say things like “ I went out to a restaurant and it was packed, I can’t believe people are not taking it seriously”. Well you are out just like them. A lot of the people who think they are doing everything right like to omit when they go out or run in a store because they “had” to have that one item not on their click list. They are doing it right but the other people in the store or restaurant are in the wrong.

posted by sportchampps

I love the people on Reddit who say things like “ I went out to a restaurant and it was packed, I can’t believe people are not taking it seriously”. Well you are out just like them. A lot of the people who think they are doing everything right like to omit when they go out or run in a store because they “had” to have that one item not on their click list. They are doing it right but the other people in the store or restaurant are in the wrong.

We're used to being social pariahs due to our political beliefs, so this really isn't new for us. Her sister has been avoiding us like the plague, and has made comments to her parents about us. Meanwhile, she and her husband have been back at work in a crowded offices for a few weeks now and we're fully remote until at least 2021. We probably spend a total of 8-12 hours out of the house per week between the two of us, half of those being outside, while they're each spending 8+ hours out of the house per day in office environments.

Is there any cases of health being compromised to a healthy person?  Any?

posted by Verbal Kint

Is there any cases of health being compromised to a healthy person?  Any?

Not even sure what you’re asking, but those types of questions (“is there any proof?!”) are typically not able to be proven on both sides. Meaning, if someone asks is there any proof that an asymptomatic person can give the virus to someone, people will use that as a reason to believe that it can’t happen. But just because there’s no proof yet doesn’t mean it can’t happen, because it hasn’t been proven that it CANT happen. We just don’t have a lot of data at this point, so I believe all precautions need to be taken until we really know how it spreads, imo  

The worst part of all of this to me is that most agree that Kentucky was going to be one of the better SEC football teams this year, for the first time since I've been a fan.

posted by SportsAndLady

Not even sure what you’re asking, but those types of questions (“is there any proof?!”) are typically not able to be proven on both sides. Meaning, if someone asks is there any proof that an asymptomatic person can give the virus to someone, people will use that as a reason to believe that it can’t happen. But just because there’s no proof yet doesn’t mean it can’t happen, because it hasn’t been proven that it CANT happen. We just don’t have a lot of data at this point, so I believe all precautions need to be taken until we really know how it spreads, imo  

Disagree.  The toll on mental health is going to be exponentially worse than this perceived hazard.

I can find no ill effects to healthy persons. 

posted by GOONx19

The worst part of all of this to me is that most agree that Kentucky was going to be one of the better SEC football teams this year, for the first time since I've been a fan.

Aren't league games still happening? 

posted by SportsAndLady

We just don’t have a lot of data at this point, 

posted by Verbal Kint

Disagree.  The toll on mental health is going to be exponentially worse than this perceived hazard.

I can find no ill effects to healthy persons. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nick-cordero-death-broadway-actor-age-41-coronavirus/

This is my wife’s friends husband. 

posted by Verbal Kint

Disagree.  The toll on mental health is going to be exponentially worse than this perceived hazard.

I can find no ill effects to healthy persons.

"Healthy" is a rather relative term.  "Healthy" people under 50 have definitely died from this, even some with no known or identified comorbidities.  That also happens with the flu every year, but it's already a large toll (and growing) to dismiss as less harmful than lockdowns.

And there are also many "unhealthy" people who would have continued living for many years had they not contracted Covid-19.

That's not to say there isn't a lot of doomsday fear mongering out there.  But this is at least 2X (and probably closer to 5X) as deadly as the flu, and like 3-4X as contagious.  So it is absolutely VERY bad, while the overall risk remains negligible to the majority of a healthy population.