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Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason Thread 2013

  • SportsAndLady
    Mulva;1446310 wrote:Do not want Noel at all. They won't take McLemore, but they should.
    This!!
  • Laley23
    Trade the pick to someone who wants/needs Noel, but stay in the top 5. Tske whoever, and get next years first with the team you trade. Next years draft is loaded. Noel isnt taking anyone over the top in the top 5 so you likely get another top pick.
  • Midstate01
    Laley23;1446350 wrote:Trade the pick to someone who wants/needs Noel, but stay in the top 5. Tske whoever, and get next years first with the team you trade. Next years draft is loaded. Noel isnt taking anyone over the top in the top 5 so you likely get another top pick.

    Exactly what I said. Agree 100%
  • Midstate01
    But nobody is trading next years first. No way.
  • SportsAndLady
    Midstate01;1446353 wrote:But nobody is trading next years first. No way.
    If someone thinks highly enough of Nerlens to put them over the edge, they'll definitely do it.
  • Midstate01
    SportsAndLady;1446355 wrote:If someone thinks highly enough of Nerlens to put them over the edge, they'll definitely do it.

    That'd be pure trade rape. Sooo lets pray it happens.
  • Azubuike24
    If I'm Washington, I'd make the trade. They are a team who you would love to grab their first next year, but also a team who could legitimately get out of the bottom 8 next year. They could also proceed to suck again...and their pick could be Wiggins, Randle or many other guys in a loaded class.
  • Azubuike24
    Bill SimmonsVerified account ‏@BillSimmons

    Boogie Cousins to Cleveland for the first pick... who says no?

    Some stuff to dislike about DeMarcus, but IMO, he's still got higher upside than NN.
  • Midstate01
    Azubuike24;1446373 wrote: Bill SimmonsVerified account ‏@BillSimmons

    Boogie Cousins to Cleveland for the first pick... who says no?

    Some stuff to dislike about DeMarcus, but IMO, he's still got higher upside than NN.

    I was just going to post this and ask if it would give you a 12 hour boner. Lol.

    I cant stand cousins. Shitty attitude who also is inconsistent. He is a pretty good player though. .. ugh

    Id rather aldridge but I think sac would be more willing to trade cousins.

    Even though portland has always liked andy v.
  • jordo212000
    Midstate01;1446353 wrote:But nobody is trading next years first. No way.

    And they certainly aren't trading it for a first this year. Next year's pick is more valuable
  • Azubuike24
    Midstate01;1446385 wrote:I was just going to post this and ask if it would give you a 12 hour boner. Lol.
    It wouldn't, mostly because I dislike the Cavs. Then again...the Kings do nothing for me and they suck far worse than Cleveland.
  • SportsAndLady
    jordo212000;1446397 wrote:And they certainly aren't trading it for a first this year. Next year's pick is more valuable
    Next year's 13th overall pick is not more valuable than this year's #1 overall. Sorry.
  • SportsAndLady
    I would love to get McLemore and move Waiters to a 6 man role, because I think he would really strive in that position and it's becoming a very important one in the NBA.

    But I just don't see that working. Who is he going to come in for? Irving or B-Mac aren't going to be coming out, and you can't have one of those 3 guys play the 3.

    I see the Cavs taking Noel and 'rehabbing' him this year on their way to another lottery pick in the '14 draft. Try and get a top 5 pick to get either Wiggins, Randle, Jabari Parker, etc.
  • SportsAndLady
    Playing captain hindsight for fun...really wish we would have taken Drummond last year instead of Waiters.

    Irving
    B-Mac
    ???
    TT
    Drummond

    Bench of Zeller, Andy, CJ Miles, Gee
  • vball10set
    Laley23;1446350 wrote:Trade the pick to someone who wants/needs Noel, but stay in the top 5. Take whoever, and get next years first with the team you trade. Next years draft is loaded. Noel isnt taking anyone over the top in the top 5 so you likely get another top pick.
    Like this scenario.
  • mucalum49
    Anyone interested in trading #1 & #19 for the #9 and Demarcus Cousins? Who's to say they'd do that (probably not). But they might have had their fill of his attitude and want to start fresh with Noel. I think the Cavs have an organization that'd be able to calm Cousins down a little.

    The Mavs don't want to take a rookie salary on so they'd probably be apt to trading #13 for our two second rounders which aren't guaranteed contracts.

    We'd get Cousins, #9 and #13 leaving the draft.
  • Commander of Awesome
    mucalum49;1446509 wrote:Anyone interested in trading #1 & #19 for the #9 and Demarcus Cousins? Who's to say they'd do that (probably not). But they might have had their fill of his attitude and want to start fresh with Noel. I think the Cavs have an organization that'd be able to calm Cousins down a little.

    The Mavs don't want to take a rookie salary on so they'd probably be apt to trading #13 for our two second rounders which aren't guaranteed contracts.

    We'd get Cousins, #9 and #13 leaving the draft.
    I'm interested in the Mavs deal. Not with the Sac deal.
  • SportsAndLady
    Yeah I honestly want no part of boogie cousins
  • mucalum49
    It was just a thought. I always assumed he was a malcontent of a bad team and disorganized franchise. But get him in a good culture like the Cavs and around solid young talent and he'd just shut up and ball. He didn't seem to be a head case at UK but I didn't follow him closely so I could be wrong.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Thinking some more about Noel, the guy's PEAK weight while at Kentucky was 220, which is lighter than any top Center prospect and about 60 pounds lighter than top C's in the game right now (Marc Gasol, Howard). Then you factor where he is offensively (IMO Noah was far superior at this point in his college career compared to Noel) and is Noel going to a more dominant defender than Joakim Noah? I have my doubts. I wouldn't take him #1, ESP when you factor he wont be ready til Dec (Best Case scenario). So he comes in having hopefully put on weight, just beginning to play ball with new teammates, and we're hopefully playing playoff caliber ball how is he going to fit in? I'd take Porter and call it a day. Guy is a leader defensively and has put his team on his back during college career. No brainer.
  • mucalum49
    I agree CoA. I think the Noel talk is because more than any other draft the NBA is concerned with projected ceiling. But so much has to go the right way for a player to acheive it. And so I think a lot of people wouldn't take Porter #1 because he doesn't have as high a ceiling. But luckily Chris Grant doesn't really care with perceived reaches as we've seen with TT and Dion the last two years. He does his homework and picks the best fit regardless of the pundent opinion.
  • SportsAndLady
    I'm hoping grant agrees with us and is just sitting silent on this to make other teams feel like we're going to take NN.

    Makes a trade and still grabs Otto

    Pipe dream I know
  • ohiobucks1
    I can't believe you guys are this down on NN. He HAS to be the pick IMO. His athleticism is OFF the CHARTS. His pick and roll defending and the ability to pair him with Kyrie makes me really excited. I think we either trade or take him. Did you see his block and steal ratio in college? He'll add weight (like EVERYBODY does when theyre 19 going to the NBA) and will develop into a force. His upside is unreal
  • Pick6
    Commander of Awesome;1446527 wrote:Thinking some more about Noel, the guy's PEAK weight while at Kentucky was 220, which is lighter than any top Center prospect and about 60 pounds lighter than top C's in the game right now (Marc Gasol, Howard). Then you factor where he is offensively (IMO Noah was far superior at this point in his college career compared to Noel) and is Noel going to a more dominant defender than Joakim Noah? I have my doubts. I wouldn't take him #1, ESP when you factor he wont be ready til Dec (Best Case scenario). So he comes in having hopefully put on weight, just beginning to play ball with new teammates, and we're hopefully playing playoff caliber ball how is he going to fit in? I'd take Porter and call it a day. Guy is a leader defensively and has put his team on his back during college career. No brainer.

    sigh..I see you totally ignored my post in the other thread about Noel's playing weight being very similar to other current NBA all-star caliber centers when they came into the league. Also, Howard weighs 265, not 280. Im surprised you can remember clear back to the first half of Noah's freshman season at Florida, since we are comparing that point in their college careers. He averaged 3.9 pts/game his freshman year, by the way. Also only weighs 232 at 28 yrs old, and I'd say he's doing just fine. You sound ridiculous acting like a 19yr old with not even a half of a year in a good weight program wont transform his body like every other NBA rookie.
  • Pick6
    SportsAndLady;1446427 wrote:I would love to get McLemore and move Waiters to a 6 man role, because I think he would really strive in that position and it's becoming a very important one in the NBA.

    But I just don't see that working. Who is he going to come in for? Irving or B-Mac aren't going to be coming out, and you can't have one of those 3 guys play the 3.

    I see the Cavs taking Noel and 'rehabbing' him this year on their way to another lottery pick in the '14 draft. Try and get a top 5 pick to get either Wiggins, Randle, Jabari Parker, etc.
    I know somebody who isnt planning on being in the lottery next year

    Dan Gilbert ‏@cavsdan 20h Just landed in NYC w/@cavsnick & @machinegunkelly Heading to NBA lottery to get @cavs #1 pick.Last lottery for a long time. 3rd of 3 yr plan