Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason Thread 2013
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wildcats20
Don't pick your home market team, CoA. All home market games are blacked out. -
wildcats20
As well as national tv games, including NBA TV.wildcats20;1525054 wrote:Don't pick your home market team, CoA. All home market games are blacked out. -
robj55
I don't get your bashing of the East, continually saying it's bad. The top 4 in the East is better than the top 4 in the West. The West may have a little more depth on the bottom half of the conference.Commander of Awesome;1525051 wrote:I'm going Cavs, and 4 teams in the West. East is bad, not another team in the East I even want to watch. Thinking GSW, OKC, Spurs, and debating between Nuggets, Rockets or Trailblazers. -
Commander of Awesome
Oh good point, I dont have cable so I was thinking getting them so I could watch. Hmm that sucks, I think they'll be a very entertaining team this year.wildcats20;1525054 wrote:Don't pick your home market team, CoA. All home market games are blacked out. -
wildcats20
Yeah for sure.Commander of Awesome;1525064 wrote:Oh good point, I dont have cable so I was thinking getting them so I could watch. Hmm that sucks, I think they'll be a very entertaining team this year.
League Pass is awesome though. I haven't decided if I'm going to do it this year, probably will though. It's nice for the teams that aren't on TV a lot. -
Commander of Awesome
lol I disagree with this. I think It's the Heat then the next 4 or 5 teams in the west then either Pacers or Bulls then not another east team.robj55;1525056 wrote:I don't get your bashing of the East, continually saying it's bad. The top 4 in the East is better than the top 4 in the West. The West may have a little more depth on the bottom half of the conference.
1. Heat
2. OKC
3. Spurs
4. MEM
5. LAC
6. GSW
7. Rockets
8. Pacers/Bulls
9. Bulls/Pacers
10. Trailblazers
lol wow when I look at it, the West would pwn the East. -
robj55
Indy and Chicago are as good as any team in the West, you're severely underrating them imo. All of this is opinion based of course though. Trailblazers over the Nets and Knicks? No way man. Trailblazers probably won't even make the playoffs.Commander of Awesome;1525067 wrote:lol I disagree with this. I think It's the Heat then the next 4 or 5 teams in the west then either Pacers or Bulls then not another east team.
1. Heat
2. OKC
3. Spurs
4. MEM
5. LAC
6. GSW
7. Rockets
8. Pacers/Bulls
9. Bulls/Pacers
10. Trailblazers
lol wow when I look at it, the West would pwn the East. -
Commander of Awesome
I dont think the Knicks will be good this year. Not a believer in their team at all. I wouldn't be shocked if they were the 8th seed or missed the playoffs entirely.
Nets I think they're a decent team, but I bet they get bounced first roudn of playoffs. I would take any of the 10 teams over them in a series.
I agree on Indy/Chicago, but I think all 7 teams above them are better. You think Indy/Bulsl would beat Memphis/OKC/Spurs? -
robj55
I thin k the Bulls or Indy would beat OKC and Memphis in a 7 game series and they would give the Spurs all they could handle although I slightly favor the Spurs. The Knicks are basically the same team from last year although they added Bargnani, I can't see them struggling to make the playoffs. I think you are severely underrating Brooklyn, granted we haven't had the chance to see them on the floor for long stretches yet but DWill, JJ, Pierce, Garnett, Brook Lopez with Kirilenko, JTerry, Blatche and Reggie Evans off the bench is a 55-60 win team in my estimation. I could see second round exit but with the leadership they have added and veteran presence no way do I see a first round outing barring injury. You really think teams like GS and Houston are better than Indy and Chicago?Commander of Awesome;1525071 wrote:I dont think the Knicks will be good this year. Not a believer in their team at all. I wouldn't be shocked if they were the 8th seed or missed the playoffs entirely.
Nets I think they're a decent team, but I bet they get bounced first roudn of playoffs. I would take any of the 10 teams over them in a series.
I agree on Indy/Chicago, but I think all 7 teams above them are better. You think Indy/Bulsl would beat Memphis/OKC/Spurs? -
Commander of Awesome
Dwill, JJJ, Lopez can't guard anyone. All 3 shoot a poor percentage and are chuckers. Bleh not a fan. Their 2 best players are 35 yrs old, doubt Garnett stays healthy and PP playing on a new team eh not a big believer. Kerilenko is solid off the bench, the other 2 are trash. Terry and Blatche suck. Yeah I dont like a single player on their team other than AK47, but he's a bench guy. They'll win some reg seasons games because they're playing the east, but they're not good. If the Cavs make the playoffs and were playing the Nets, I'd pick the Cavs to win that one.robj55;1525072 wrote:I thin k the Bulls or Indy would beat OKC and Memphis in a 7 game series and they would give the Spurs all they could handle although I slightly favor the Spurs. The Knicks are basically the same team from last year although they added Bargnani, I can't see them struggling to make the playoffs. I think you are severely underrating Brooklyn, granted we haven't had the chance to see them on the floor for long stretches yet but DWill, JJ, Pierce, Garnett, Brook Lopez with Kirilenko, JTerry, Blatche and Reggie Evans off the bench is a 55-60 win team in my estimation. I could see second round exit but with the leadership they have added and veteran presence no way do I see a first round outing barring injury. You really think teams like GS and Houston are better than Indy and Chicago?
Yeah Indy and Chic will struggle to score. GSW would light them up from the arc. Andre Iggy would help slow down rose and no one else on the Bulls is capable of stepping up and putting points on the board. Also any team in which User Looserr Boozerr is your 2nd option is flawed. Annnnnnd Tom Thib runs his players in the ground, the dusty baker of NBA. Highly doubt the bulls will be healthy going into the playoffs bc of the big minutes he plays his starters, even when the team is up big.
Indy I think is better team than the bulls after thinking about it and fully capable of knocking off the Heat, but I don't like their PG situation. No player is capable other than Paul George of creating their own shot. Granger's not healthy, Hibbert doesn't block shots, West is older and undersized. I think they're prob the 2nd best team in the East but I like several teams in the west better. -
robj55
Not sure how you come up with them shooting a poor percentage, Dwill shoots 45% as a PG and is an average defender, not poor. Joe Johnson takes 15 shots a game and shoots 45%, not a horrible defender either. Brook Lopez shot 52% last year and blocked over 2 shots a game, rebounding, not defense is his deficiency. Jason and Terry and Blatche suck? What are you watching? Pierce and Garnett are not their best players, DWill and Lopez are, but Pierce and Garnett will bring experience and toughness along with leadership. I like the Cavs but they're not beating the Nets. GSW lighting up two of the best defensive teams in the NBA? highly unlikely. They didn't light up SA last year did they? They would win 2 games in which they were hot but they are a jump shooting team and would die by the three. Iggy guarding DRose? He's not Lebron that's not happening. Chicago plays lock down D and they have consistent effort and energy night in night out. I would favor them over anyone but SA in the West. There is more than one way to create a shot and having a post game is one of them, they don't have to beat you off the dribble(Indy) because they have two stud post players in Hibbert and West. Not sure how you see West as undersized when he is 6'10'' and is a strong as a bull, understanding how to use his body making him play bigger. All of these are hypothetical scenarios but it's fun to discuss/debate. Makes for an interesting season.Commander of Awesome;1525073 wrote:Dwill, JJJ, Lopez can't guard anyone. All 3 shoot a poor percentage and are chuckers. Bleh not a fan. Their 2 best players are 35 yrs old, doubt Garnett stays healthy and PP playing on a new team eh not a big believer. Kerilenko is solid off the bench, the other 2 are trash. Terry and Blatche suck. Yeah I dont like a single player on their team other than AK47, but he's a bench guy. They'll win some reg seasons games because they're playing the east, but they're not good. If the Cavs make the playoffs and were playing the Nets, I'd pick the Cavs to win that one.
Yeah Indy and Chic will struggle to score. GSW would light them up from the arc. Andre Iggy would help slow down rose and no one else on the Bulls is capable of stepping up and putting points on the board. Also any team in which User Looserr Boozerr is your 2nd option is flawed. Annnnnnd Tom Thib runs his players in the ground, the dusty baker of NBA. Highly doubt the bulls will be healthy going into the playoffs bc of the big minutes he plays his starters, even when the team is up big.
Indy I think is better team than the bulls after thinking about it and fully capable of knocking off the Heat, but I don't like their PG situation. No player is capable other than Paul George of creating their own shot. Granger's not healthy, Hibbert doesn't block shots, West is older and undersized. I think they're prob the 2nd best team in the East but I like several teams in the west better. -
Commander of Awesome
Def interesting.
Joe Johnson shot 42% last yr, that's not good enough.
DWILL shot 44% 37% beyond the arc
for example, KI shot 45.2%. 40 % beyond the ARC
Jason Terry was horrible last season, do you disagree?
Lopez def vastly improved last season, you're right on that. They're probably better than I'm giving them credit for, but I still think they'd get pwned in the West and will be a 1st round bounce depending on match up. Not a title contender IMO.
As for GSW, they play def, are a scrappy team and have a much more talented team than the Bulls. I dont think it would even be that close. They have elite shooters are 2 spots, and the bigs to bully in the paint. Maybe it's a bit of west coast bias, but I think they'd be the 2nd seed in the East. I really like their roster. Klay thompson is a top 25 player in the league IMO, Barnes is growing into his own after an awesome playoffs, added Iggy, an elite def/rebounder who can also be a spot up shooter if need be. Bogut is finally healthy and an elite defender, David Lee is low post scoring threat, but lacks def. Curry is a top 6 player and perhaps the best shooter in the NBA ever. He's amazing on off. Lacks defense, I'll grant you, and has health concerns. Both teams healthy, I think GSW would knock out in the Bulls in 4/5 games. Bulsla re a great defensive unit but not much else. Rose and Noah are their 2 best players and neither has a solid jump shot. -
robj55
Dwill got off to a slow start but averaged 23 and 10 and shot over 40% from three the second half of the season. 45% and 37 from three from a pg is great. Joe had bit of a down year at 42% but he should get better looks this year and be around 45% which is great. Terry did have a down year last year but he is big time clutch, makes big shots and shouldn't be counted on a ton so whatever he contributes will be a plus. I think you are way too high on the West and GS in particular, I love watching them play but they are strictly a jump shooting team and you're not going to be elite or win titles like that. No way do they beat Chicago in a 7 game series, the Bulls are too good defensively and DRose would eat up Steph. Not sure how you can say it wouldn't be close, not how I picture it at all. To be honest I'd love to see GS make a deep run because they are awesome to watch.Commander of Awesome;1525093 wrote:Def interesting.
Joe Johnson shot 42% last yr, that's not good enough.
DWILL shot 44% 37% beyond the arc
for example, KI shot 45.2%. 40 % beyond the ARC
Jason Terry was horrible last season, do you disagree?
Lopez def vastly improved last season, you're right on that. They're probably better than I'm giving them credit for, but I still think they'd get pwned in the West and will be a 1st round bounce depending on match up. Not a title contender IMO.
As for GSW, they play def, are a scrappy team and have a much more talented team than the Bulls. I dont think it would even be that close. -
Commander of Awesome
Hey heads up, I'll respond in NBA thread to keep this to Cavs.robj55;1525095 wrote:Dwill got off to a slow start but averaged 23 and 10 and shot over 40% from three the second half of the season. 45% and 37 from three from a pg is great. Joe had bit of a down year at 42% but he should get better looks this year and be around 45% which is great. Terry did have a down year last year but he is big time clutch, makes big shots and shouldn't be counted on a ton so whatever he contributes will be a plus. I think you are way too high on the West and GS in particular, I love watching them play but they are strictly a jump shooting team and you're not going to be elite or win titles like that. No way do they beat Chicago in a 7 game series, the Bulls are too good defensively and DRose would eat up Steph. Not sure how you can say it wouldn't be close, not how I picture it at all. To be honest I'd love to see GS make a deep run because they are awesome to watch. -
robj55
Got yaCommander of Awesome;1525096 wrote:Hey heads up, I'll respond in NBA thread to keep this to Cavs. -
sleeper
Has anyone watched the preseason and seen how Bennett is playing? Good? Bad? If he can pull it together, this Cavs team will be scary good in a year or two. -
Commander of Awesome
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Pick6
Bennett isnt in good shape and for the most part has played inconsistent. He has already had flashes of greatness, though. One game he scored 16 points in the final 4 minutes and the led the Cavs to a win.sleeper;1525114 wrote:Has anyone watched the preseason and seen how Bennett is playing? Good? Bad? If he can pull it together, this Cavs team will be scary good in a year or two. -
Rotinaj
I cant seem to remember how we did Cavs threads in the passed. Did we have game threads or just 1 thread that started at the beginning of the season? -
like_that
Just one thread for the most part.Rotinaj;1525381 wrote:I cant seem to remember how we did Cavs threads in the passed. Did we have game threads or just 1 thread that started at the beginning of the season? -
SportsAndLady
Random but I drafted 2 Cavs players in the top 5 rounds of my fantasy draft last night. First time doing NBA fantasy, so had very little clue what to do/how to win.
Kyrie was my first pick (5th overall), and I took Bynum in the 5th round. -
robj55
Hope the Cavs stay healthy all year for the most part, interested to see how well they do. I think they are a 6 seed but could get the 5 over the Knicks.
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Commander of Awesome
If the knicks are a 5th seed, that will only illustrate how terrible the East is. They'd be a lotto team in the west.
1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Chicago
4. Nets (I guess)
5. Cavs
6. Wizards
7. Who cares the team will be horrible, but I guess I'll put NYK here even though I think they'll suck
8. I can't think of which team will suck less here of the remaining squads. I guess I'll put Bucks here, they could be flopped with the Knicks.
I would love for the Cavs/Wizs to have another playoff battle. Wall vs Irving. Would be a lot of fun to watch. Beal vs Waiters, Porter vs Bennet, Gortat vs TT and Andy. -
SportsAndLady
COA is this gonna be a season long thing where every post you make is about the east being bad? Jesus give it a rest man.
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robj55
You really think the Cavs and Wizards will be better than the Knicks? They won 54 games last year and upgraded their roster. I'm not a believer in Melo but they should win 50 games, that's a bad team?Commander of Awesome;1525486 wrote:If the knicks are a 5th seed, that will only illustrate how terrible the East is. They'd be a lotto team in the west.
1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Chicago
4. Nets (I guess)
5. Cavs
6. Wizards
7. Who cares the team will be horrible, but I guess I'll put NYK here even though I think they'll suck
8. I can't think of which team will suck less here of the remaining squads. I guess I'll put Bucks here, they could be flopped with the Knicks.
I would love for the Cavs/Wizs to have another playoff battle. Wall vs Irving. Would be a lot of fun to watch. Beal vs Waiters, Porter vs Bennet, Gortat vs TT and Andy.