Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

• ptown_trojans_1

  

  like_that;1834984 wrote:Correct. The misleading media once again was wrong and rushed to deliver incorrect news. Earlier they were stating mohomad was one of two shooters.

  Yeah, initial reports are almost always wrong from events like this.
  I think that is why the motive is still being held.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Long post warning.
  
  Some know, some may forget, but I spent a summer abroad on Syria in 2005. It was a language program at the University of Damascus. I stayed in the Christian quarters of the old city of Damascus and lived with a wonderful family along with fellow Ohio State and a few Michigan students. But, I established great friendships and bonds with the people I met as I traveled around the country. I visited the city of Aleppo, the citadel that is now largely destroyed, as well as other cities, Homs included.
  
  I have been following the crisis in Syria since it started in March 2011. I was very critical of the Obama White House for the Red Line and not fully supporting any of the rebel groups more effectively. The humanitarian crisis is the greatest seen since WWII. Some of the people I have met have resettled in Europe and elsewhere, but others I have lost touch with and assume they are lost forever.
  That is where my anger comes from.
  
  When the order was announced, I had a friend whose Synagogue sponsored a family. That family was on the flight back, had a place to live, and everything. Now, they cannot and will not make the trip to the U.S. as they are suspended indefinitely. They do now know what they are going to do, and his Synagogue is trying to explore options for them. That is the sad part. People that had already waited up to 2 years were on their way over and now their entire lives are turned upside down again.
  
  I get why the order was signed, sure, we do need to make sure we do not let in the bad people. But, to also not let in the people, the women and children, old ladies, etc., that already have went through the UN process, have gone through the DOD as well and have sponsors is just a disgrace to me. The whole green card thing too is just a mess.
  The order was not well thought out, it did not include DHS or DOD officials and was largely written, if not fully, by the White House, with zero legal oversight.
  
  Also, the order limits that Iraqi’s that translated for our soldiers during the war. The DOD is now trying to exempt them, but really if the DOD was brought in from the start, they would have been exempted
  
  The whole purpose was to make us safer right? Well, the fact that it does not limit other countries does not do that. If I was ISIS, I would just use people from other counties not on the list. Easy. It does not make us safer. It is already a tool for ISIS to recruit more members. They can say, look, the U.S. does really hate Islam now, turn against the west.
  
  Again, I get why the order was signed, but the execution and implementation of it was so sloppy it has done much more harm than good. I do hope the restrictions, bans (even Trump used that today on twitter) is lifted after the 90-120 days, and I do hope the Green card issue is resolved.
• like_that

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1834987 wrote:Long post warning.
  
  Some know, some may forget, but I spent a summer abroad on Syria in 2005. It was a language program at the University of Damascus. I stayed in the Christian quarters of the old city of Damascus and lived with a wonderful family along with fellow Ohio State and a few Michigan students. But, I established great friendships and bonds with the people I met as I traveled around the country. I visited the city of Aleppo, the citadel that is now largely destroyed, as well as other cities, Homs included.
  
  I have been following the crisis in Syria since it started in March 2011. I was very critical of the Obama White House for the Red Line and not fully supporting any of the rebel groups more effectively. The humanitarian crisis is the greatest seen since WWII. Some of the people I have met have resettled in Europe and elsewhere, but others I have lost touch with and assume they are lost forever.
  That is where my anger comes from.
  
  When the order was announced, I had a friend whose Synagogue sponsored a family. That family was on the flight back, had a place to live, and everything. Now, they cannot and will not make the trip to the U.S. as they are suspended indefinitely. They do now know what they are going to do, and his Synagogue is trying to explore options for them. That is the sad part. People that had already waited up to 2 years were on their way over and now their entire lives are turned upside down again.
  
  I get why the order was signed, sure, we do need to make sure we do not let in the bad people. But, to also not let in the people, the women and children, old ladies, etc., that already have went through the UN process, have gone through the DOD as well and have sponsors is just a disgrace to me. The whole green card thing too is just a mess.
  The order was not well thought out, it did not include DHS or DOD officials and was largely written, if not fully, by the White House, with zero legal oversight.
  
  Also, the order limits that Iraqi’s that translated for our soldiers during the war. The DOD is now trying to exempt them, but really if the DOD was brought in from the start, they would have been exempted
  
  The whole purpose was to make us safer right? Well, the fact that it does not limit other countries does not do that. If I was ISIS, I would just use people from other counties not on the list. Easy. It does not make us safer. It is already a tool for ISIS to recruit more members. They can say, look, the U.S. does really hate Islam now, turn against the west.
  
  Again, I get why the order was signed, but the execution and implementation of it was so sloppy it has done much more harm than good. I do hope the restrictions, bans (even Trump used that today on twitter) is lifted after the 90-120 days, and I do hope the Green card issue is resolved.

  I'll agree with the majority of your post here. Poorly written and poorly executed. They rushed this one out and they did not need to do so. In the cases such as the one you mentioned above, those people should not have been stopped.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1834971 wrote:Reminds me of the same people who cried immediately after Trump won (not to mention before he won). All marching and crying in their liberal bubble cities without seeing the irony.
  
  The political landscape is polarizing enough (trump has a 89% approval rating from republicans.... in contrast the numbers were also thus polarizing with obama), so liberals should keep inventing terms such as soft core holocaust denial, mansplaining, White privilege, etc. That will sure persuade people to vote in another direction!!! There are actually quite a few times where I agree with liberals but their incessant dramatic cry baby hot takes and their intellectual hypocrisy is a huge turn off. I.e nobody cried about the Cuban refugees when obama reversed a 50 year law right before he left office. It's hard to take them seriously when they have been spewing the same rhetoric for 16 years about conservatives. After awhile people catch on and don't even pay attention. Trump is the culmination of all that bullshit, and if liberals keep doubling down on it I won't be shocked to see him win again. The states that won Trump the election (Michigan, PA, Ohio, Wisconsin) are loling at the liberals elitists on the east coast and wacko liberals on the west who think they know what's best for everyone else in the rest of the country.
  
  So like I said, keep doubling down. You will only keep getting the same shit. Two shitty candidates running for office and a gridlocked congress.

  So the fact that trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in US history, as well as the lowest approval rating, and massive protests against his asinine executed orders is the fault of cry baby media? lok We don't even live on the same planet.
• fish82

  

  Commander of Awesome;1834992 wrote:So the fact that trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in US history

  Dude. :rolleyes:
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1834992 wrote:So the fact that trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in US history, as well as the lowest approval rating, and massive protests against his asinine executed orders is the fault of cry baby media? lok We don't even live on the same planet.

  That's what you gathered from my post?
  LMAO. You're right, we don't live on the same planet, enjoy that California bubble.
  
  The popular vote margin came from the exact liberal bubble population I'm talking about.
  
  Also lol at crying about executive orders. I remember the last 8 years when liberals told us Obama needs more executive orders to work around congress! Congrats on advocating for that and then giving the wrong man that exact power.
• bases_loaded

  

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• queencitybuckeye

  Commander of Awesome;1834992 wrote:So the fact that trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in US history,

  Actually, not true. In raw numbers, third. In percentage terms, one of the ten closest.
• bases_loaded

  

  The popular vote thing still? We're a damn republic, not a democracy get over it.
  
  
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• slingshot4ever

  Trump fires acting AG over disagreement on his immigration ban
• majorspark

  

  "You're fired".
• fish82

  

  slingshot4ever;1835008 wrote:Trump fires acting AG over disagreement on his immigration ban

  It wasn't a "disagreement." She chose not to do her job, and got shitcanned. Not much more to it.
• Spock

  

  I guess when the democrats don't do their job, which they are good at, the new boss will fire you.
• Automatik

  

  Fucking dodgeball instructor chiming in. :laugh:
• iclfan2

  

  She should have resigned if she couldn't do her job. I'm sure this was an orchestrated move to go out as a martyr. Nothing to see here.
  
  
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• iclfan2

  

  iclfan2;1835018 wrote:She should have resigned if she couldn't do her job. I'm sure this was an orchestrated move to go out as a martyr. Nothing to see here.
  
  That said, Trump is being annoying as shit with doing things half assed and hurried instead of thoroughly examining everything. The media is already on his ass with a fine toothed comb, don't give them reasons to blow shit up.
  
  His Supreme Court pick should go over well too.
  
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• iclfan2

  

  No idea how I keep quoting myself when adding additional paragraphs. Sorry
  
  
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• bigorangebuck22

  She wad gone regardless. Might as well go out in a blaze of glory. Kind of nice to see someone stand up to President Bannon.
• Classyposter58

  

  This immigration order was just awful on its implementation and it's despicable that people with special green cards and travel visas were having those seized at airports.
  
  But let's not forget from 2011-15 Obama had essentially a ban on refugee immigration to the country and his inaction allowed the problem in Syria to fester to such levels
  
  
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• bigorangebuck22

  Classyposter58;1835027 wrote:This immigration order was just awful on its implementation and it's despicable that people with special green cards and travel visas were having those seized at airports.
  
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  That was on purpose. Bannon wanted to be a dick to those people. And the Trumpanzees ate it up.
• SportsAndLady

  

  bigorangebuck22;1835028 wrote:That was on purpose. Bannon wanted to be a dick to those people. And the Trumpanzees ate it up.

  And the left, with the help of the media, made it into a way bigger deal than it is. There's no middle ground in the US right now. You've got the idiot far right trump supporters who won't STFU about trump and pump up his every move, even when it's a bad one. And then you've got the idiot liberals who bash every move he makes.
  
  Those of us in the middle are the ones who suffer. I just want to know the news, what is happening in the country. I don't want some idiot liberal in the Washington Post's opinion and I certainly don't want the far right trump supporter's opinions.
  
  This thread is a great example. Everything I read on here (for the most part) makes me want to shoot myself. Every now and then I read a sensible post.
  
  Note to trump supporters and liberals: trump is going to make good decisions and he's going to make bad decisions. If you scream "great move!!" After every one of his decisions, you are what's wrong with America (and vice versa with "bad move!!").
• FatHobbit

  

  SportsAndLady;1835029 wrote: Note to trump supporters and liberals: trump is going to make good decisions and he's going to make bad decisions. If you scream "great move!!" After every one of his decisions, you are what's wrong with America (and vice versa with "bad move!!").

  Seriously though. It's like after every time the media says anything each side starts yelling "Goooooooooooooooo team!"
• QuakerOats

  SportsAndLady;1835029 wrote:Note to trump supporters and liberals: trump is going to make good decisions and he's going to make bad decisions. If you scream "great move!!" After every one of his decisions, you are what's wrong with America (and vice versa with "bad move!!").

  
  Cannot disagree. He should have run it by Tillerson, Mattis, and few others for input. Live and learn.
  
  Having to perform surgery and do a 180 on the past 8 years is necessary though; although change is always fraught with bumps.
• sleeper

  

  SportsAndLady;1835029 wrote:And the left, with the help of the media, made it into a way bigger deal than it is. There's no middle ground in the US right now. You've got the idiot far right trump supporters who won't STFU about trump and pump up his every move, even when it's a bad one. And then you've got the idiot liberals who bash every move he makes.
  
  Those of us in the middle are the ones who suffer. I just want to know the news, what is happening in the country. I don't want some idiot liberal in the Washington Post's opinion and I certainly don't want the far right trump supporter's opinions.
  
  This thread is a great example. Everything I read on here (for the most part) makes me want to shoot myself. Every now and then I read a sensible post.
  
  Note to trump supporters and liberals: trump is going to make good decisions and he's going to make bad decisions. If you scream "great move!!" After every one of his decisions, you are what's wrong with America (and vice versa with "bad move!!").

  In general I agree with this. However, when you elect a malignant narcissist who has no clue on how to run the government, has a temper of a 2 year old, and is issuing unconstitutional EO's akin to those of Nazi Germany, then we have a problem.
  
  This is no longer a battle between left and right; this is a battle against the rise of Fascism. Which side do you want to be remembered? Those that fought against Hitler or those that stood by with their hand firmly on the gas chamber? I know where I stand, do you?
• sleeper

  

  slingshot4ever;1835008 wrote:Trump fires acting AG over disagreement on his immigration ban

  SAD. We fire people now for upholding the constitution and standing up against unconstitutional orders.