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Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

  • Heretic
    like_that;1835091 wrote:The article from the Atlantic is a classic example. "Soft core holocaust denial." Give me a fucking break. It was incompetence and an egotistical administration can't admit they fucked up. That article by the Atlantic (far left leaning) is a classic liberal op-ed that is meant to be shared with people who are like minded so they all can feel better about themselves. That's the type of shit that turns people off. I 100% agree they handled it like idiots, but to compare it to the holocaust is dramatic at best. As I said earlier, keep doubling down on this approach, because it is what won Trump the election and it won't surprise me if it wins him another term. All he has to do is implement FDR's protectionist approach and bully businesses to keeping or bringing jobs to the states that won him the election. The Democratic Party currently has been relegated to the party of cities and a good portion of those votes came from Cali/Il/Ny. The numbers don't lie, and it's not a good sign.
    That's becoming a real problem. The voices for the left are more concerned about scoring points with the farthest 10% to the left, as opposed to more moderate people. Intelligent reasoning suggests that, in the political world, you raise concerns about Trump's actions (ie: the piss poor EO; simply bringing up the point the president is a barely-competent nincompoop who'll be blundering his way through moves for four years while his barely-competent voices (Spicer, Conway) do increasingly poor jobs of justifying those actions) in a way that at least sounds legitimate, so those moderate voters can at least see that there might be a need for change. The end result of this is to win back state and federal positions that got taken by the Rs over Obama's terms.

    Instead, they're going through consistent and regular histrionics much like Quaker did over the past eight years. Hardly anyone here takes him remotely seriously and the same will be happening nationally to these outlets. Instead of doing things like saying, "This EO was horribly implemented and a poor decision and these officials are still in support of it regardless of how people actually feel", they're doing stupid shit like that Atlantic article or what Deadspin's been doing recently, where they feel the most important matter is that Tom Brady has made comments in support of Trump, so he needs to be publicly shamed until he's forced to sit down and talk at length about, uh, his personal opinion, I guess.

    When you're left-moderate like me and you're thinking these guys are entering "too dumb to live" territory, something should probably be done a bit differently.
  • like_that
    Heretic;1835106 wrote:That's becoming a real problem. The voices for the left are more concerned about scoring points with the farthest 10% to the left, as opposed to more moderate people. Intelligent reasoning suggests that, in the political world, you raise concerns about Trump's actions (ie: the piss poor EO; simply bringing up the point the president is a barely-competent nincompoop who'll be blundering his way through moves for four years while his barely-competent voices (Spicer, Conway) do increasingly poor jobs of justifying those actions) in a way that at least sounds legitimate, so those moderate voters can at least see that there might be a need for change. The end result of this is to win back state and federal positions that got taken by the Rs over Obama's terms.

    Instead, they're going through consistent and regular histrionics much like Quaker did over the past eight years. Hardly anyone here takes him remotely seriously and the same will be happening nationally to these outlets. Instead of doing things like saying, "This EO was horribly implemented and a poor decision and these officials are still in support of it regardless of how people actually feel", they're doing stupid shit like that Atlantic article or what Deadspin's been doing recently, where they feel the most important matter is that Tom Brady has made comments in support of Trump, so he needs to be publicly shamed until he's forced to sit down and talk at length about, uh, his personal opinion, I guess.

    When you're left-moderate like me and you're thinking these guys are entering "too dumb to live" territory, something should probably be done a bit differently.
    All this does on both sides is polarizes both parties. For right/left moderates this is horrible. One time in my lifetime I'd like to vote in an presidential election where it is difficult for me to make a decision (in a good way).

    Unfortunately the Dems have gone so far left that I don't think I can fundamentally agree with much of their agenda and as a result I doubt I could ever vote for them. My only real choices are to vote for the GOP candidate and if he/she sucks the best I can do is abstain or vote for an independent. If the Dems threw out a left moderate I would highly consider it, unfortunately those days are most likely long gone.
  • Heretic
    like_that;1835109 wrote:All this does on both sides is polarizes both parties. For right/left moderates this is horrible. One time in my lifetime I'd like to vote in an presidential election where it is difficult for me to make a decision (in a good way).

    Unfortunately the Dems have gone so far left that I don't think I can fundamentally agree with much of their agenda and as a result I doubt I could ever vote for them. My only real choices are to vote for the GOP candidate and if he/she sucks the best I can do is abstain or vote for an independent. If the Dems threw out a left moderate I would highly consider it, unfortunately those days are most likely long gone.
    Yeah, I think my main hope is that people would wake up out of "sheep" mode and start treating third-party candidates as actual legit candidates (admittedly, Johnson did a great job of killing any possible momentum himself with a handful of horrible interviews...) in order to send a message to both main parties to stop embracing the crazies.
  • sleeper
    like_that;1835109 wrote:All this does on both sides is polarizes both parties. For right/left moderates this is horrible. One time in my lifetime I'd like to vote in an presidential election where it is difficult for me to make a decision (in a good way).

    Unfortunately the Dems have gone so far left that I don't think I can fundamentally agree with much of their agenda and as a result I doubt I could ever vote for them. My only real choices are to vote for the GOP candidate and if he/she sucks the best I can do is abstain or vote for an independent. If the Dems threw out a left moderate I would highly consider it, unfortunately those days are most likely long gone.
    My choice was easy this year. Find the candidate with the highest probability to defeat Hitler(Trump) and vote for her.

    Democracy lost; Fascism won. Time to fight for the Republic!
  • HitsRus
    SportsAndLady;1835029 wrote:And the left, with the help of the media, made it into a way bigger deal than it is. There's no middle ground in the US right now. You've got the idiot far right trump supporters who won't STFU about trump and pump up his every move, even when it's a bad one. And then you've got the idiot liberals who bash every move he makes.

    Those of us in the middle are the ones who suffer. I just want to know the news, what is happening in the country. I don't want some idiot liberal in the Washington Post's opinion and I certainly don't want the far right trump supporter's opinions.

    This thread is a great example. Everything I read on here (for the most part) makes me want to shoot myself. Every now and then I read a sensible post.

    Note to trump supporters and liberals: trump is going to make good decisions and he's going to make bad decisions. If you scream "great move!!" After every one of his decisions, you are what's wrong with America (and vice versa with "bad move!!").
    This immigration blow up is actually a good way to test your news source as to the accuracy and honesty of their product. Read the text of Trump's executive order, and then compare to what is being reported, and HOW it's being reported, and you will have a good idea of whether you can trust that source to give you accurate unbiased information.
    It's quite enlightening and quite scary too when you notice how people are being manipulated, even radicalized by sources that once were considered fair and unbiased.
    You can use it also to test your favorite politician too. Have fun!
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;1835091 wrote:You must have mistaken me for a Trump supporter.

    Anyway, that's just one example of hypocrisy little guy, and if you took the time to wipe your tears you would have seen me criticizing the EO. The following isn't mutually exclusive:

    -it was a piss poor EO, and handled incompetently.

    -liberals are being over dramatic cry babies about it.

    The article from the Atlantic is a classic example. "Soft core holocaust denial." Give me a fucking break. It was incompetence and an egotistical administration can't admit they fucked up. That article by the Atlantic (far left leaning) is a classic liberal op-ed that is meant to be shared with people who are like minded so they all can feel better about themselves. That's the type of shit that turns people off. I 100% agree they handled it like idiots, but to compare it to the holocaust is dramatic at best. As I said earlier, keep doubling down on this approach, because it is what won Trump the election and it won't surprise me if it wins him another term. All he has to do is implement FDR's protectionist approach and bully businesses to keeping or bringing jobs to the states that won him the election. The Democratic Party currently has been relegated to the party of cities and a good portion of those votes came from Cali/Il/Ny. The numbers don't lie, and it's not a good sign.
    For someone who claims to not be a trump supporter, you spend a shit ton of time defending him.

    To the Atlantic Article:

    Yea, shows 1) a lack of understanding of what the Atlantic was referring to (they weren’t “comparing it to the Holocaust” they were saying that the device of broadening those impacted beyond Jews is the #1 favorite thing of Holocaust deniers; and 2) the fact that there’s a White Supremacist in the White House as top aide makes point 1 make perfect sense
  • jmog
    Commander of Awesome;1835117 wrote:For someone who claims to not be a trump supporter, you spend a shit ton of time defending him.

    To the Atlantic Article:

    Yea, shows 1) a lack of understanding of what the Atlantic was referring to (they weren’t “comparing it to the Holocaust” they were saying that the device of broadening those impacted beyond Jews is the #1 favorite thing of Holocaust deniers; and 2) the fact that there’s a White Supremacist in the White House as top aide makes point 1 make perfect sense
    You know, I get labeled some times as a Trump supporter as well even though I can't stand the guy.

    Some times people have to realize that just because someone doesn't believe Trump is the anti-Christ, doesn't mean they are a supporter.

    The left likes to deal in these absolutes that if someone points out that the E.O. or other policies are very similar to Obama/Clinton/Carter in the past then they OBVIOUSLY support Trump for not calling him out as the racist homophobe that he is!

    Realistically we can just think for ourselves and see how he compares to the past and not just spout what the MSM/MSNBC/CNN/BuzzFeed posts as fact.
  • gut
    majorspark;1835083 wrote:And the left humping states rights and nullification. Strange times.
    Stuff like this is the best part of Trump so far.

    Unfortunately, most people seem to oblivious to realize their own blatant partisanship staring them in the face. Trump is proving the vast majority of people basically are rooting for a team, rather than having any real principles.
  • like_that
    Commander of Awesome;1835117 wrote:For someone who claims to not be a trump supporter, you spend a shit ton of time defending him.
    Geezus dude, you really have fallen off the deep end. What happened to the old COA who brought logic and reason?

    Again, I said the EO was poorly written and executed. I have already criticized Trump numerous times before and since his inauguration. I think I made it pretty clear back in the primaries that I would not be voting for Trump and I didn't vote for trump. Overall I think most posters and my friends in real life who aren't too far in the koolaid on either side can vouch that I do not support Trump. Not sure what else you want me to do other than act like a dramatic cry baby with the others. This post literally just proves what I have been posting about the last few days in this thread. Just another example of you acting morally superior and judging other's levels of morality. Get over yourself.
    jmog;1835119 wrote:You know, I get labeled some times as a Trump supporter as well even though I can't stand the guy.

    Some times people have to realize that just because someone doesn't believe Trump is the anti-Christ, doesn't mean they are a supporter.

    The left likes to deal in these absolutes that if someone points out that the E.O. or other policies are very similar to Obama/Clinton/Carter in the past then they OBVIOUSLY support Trump for not calling him out as the racist homophobe that he is!

    Realistically we can just think for ourselves and see how he compares to the past and not just spout what the MSM/MSNBC/CNN/BuzzFeed posts as fact.
    lol +1, classic SJW tactic by COA. It is no longer enough to oppose somebody or oppose his/her actions. You now have to be judged by how much you oppose them. Just like liberals used to preach tolerance, but now they judge others for HOW tolerant they are. If you want to label me a Trump supporter, because I am not crying about fascism and hitler, then go ahead and be petty.

    The funny part is I now have friends/family on the far right calling me a liberal for criticizing Trump :RpS_lol:. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;1835121 wrote:Geezus dude, you really have fallen off the deep end. What happened to the old COA who brought logic and reason?

    Again, I said the EO was poorly written and executed. I have already criticized Trump numerous times before and since his inauguration. I think I made it pretty clear back in the primaries that I would not be voting for Trump and I didn't vote for trump. Overall I think most posters and my friends in real life who aren't too far in the koolaid on either side can vouch that I do not support Trump. Not sure what else you want me to do other than act like a dramatic cry baby with the others. This post literally just proves what I have been posting about the last few days in this thread. Just another example of you acting morally superior and judging other's levels of morality. Get over yourself.

    lol +1, classic SJW tactic by COA. It is no longer enough to oppose somebody or oppose his/her actions. You now have to be judged by how much you oppose them. Just like liberals used to preach tolerance, but now they judge others for HOW tolerant they are. If you want to label me a Trump supporter, because I am not crying about fascism and hitler, then go ahead and be petty.

    The funny part is I now have friends/family on the far right calling me a liberal for criticizing Trump :RpS_lol:. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.
    Grossly inaccurate and over simplified.
  • like_that
    Commander of Awesome;1835137 wrote:Grossly inaccurate and over simplified.
    If labeling me as a Trump supporter makes you feel better, then go for it. I'm comfortable with my stances and know who/what I support.

    Enjoy your bubble.
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;1835146 wrote:If labeling me as a Trump supporter makes you feel better, then go for it. I'm comfortable with my stances and know who/what I support.

    Enjoy your bubble.
    Never even responded to any of my dicussions, resorts to typical SJW labeling and the "I have conservative friends..." then says I need to wake up. Keep being a caricature, it brings teh lulz.
  • fish82
    Commander of Awesome;1835137 wrote:Grossly inaccurate and over simplified.
    Not really.
  • Crimson streak
    Reading this thread, just shows wtf is wrong with our country. We have cry baby over dramatic Liberals, who think the world is ending and offended by literally everything, while acting like a bunch of pussies, then you have the far right who literally pounds their chest with every move trump makes. Smh


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  • queencitybuckeye
    Crimson streak;1835174 wrote:Reading this thread, just shows wtf is wrong with our country. We have cry baby over dramatic Liberals, who think the world is ending and offended by literally everything, while acting like a bunch of pussies, then you have the far right who literally pounds their chest with every move trump makes. Smh


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    And then there's people who misuse the word "literally".
  • Crimson streak
    queencitybuckeye;1835175 wrote:And then there's people who misuse the word "literally".
    lol the point remains though


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  • like_that
    Commander of Awesome;1835165 wrote:Never even responded to any of my dicussions, resorts to typical SJW labeling and the "I have conservative friends..." then says I need to wake up. Keep being a caricature, it brings teh lulz.
    You must be really triggered by the term "SJW," that's only my second time using the term and I can tell it has gotten under your skin.

    Except every one of my posts had substance to it, including when heretic got involved. Every one of your posts were very short with no substance and began/ended with some form of smugness. Hyperbolic sarcasm, “bringing teh lulz,” or “lolk” was a reoccurring theme to most of your posts. Not to mention you completely twisted every post from myself in the discussion. And I am being caricature? By all means, we can break down you contributions to the discussion and perhaps I can clear some stuff up for you, but I have a feeling you’re not interested in that since you disagree with me.

    Also before I start, LOL at playing the “I have conservative friends…” card. Are you implying this is the same as the “I have black/gay/women/etc. friends” card? If so, you completely missed the entire point of that post or deliberately pretended it meant something else, which seems par for the course during our entire dialogue here.
    Commander of Awesome;1834965 wrote:Yes, 10s of millions of people are being dramatic SJW.

    In response, I provided a long post talking about how polarizing politics is and alluded to the fact the Dems have become the party of liberal cities (thus why most of these protests are being done in these cities). The numbers don't lie. LA/Chicago/NYC alone took up 13% of Hillary's popular vote. The whole point of that was this approach does nothing to swing people to vote the direction you want them to vote for.



    For over 16 years liberals called Bush, McCain, and Romney racist/bigots/etc. That works short term until people start catching on that every GOP candidate is labeled by the left. Say what you want about their political policies, but all 3 of those guys have character. After a while people think “wtf, you said the shit about the last 3 guys, why the hell should we listen to you anymore.” As a result they stop listening, and now you have a guy who actually has character issues. I will say it again and maybe it won’t go over your head. The people outside of these bubble cities are looking at all these protests and thinking “meh, same shit; different day.” My recommendation is to not double down on this approach, because it is obviously not working (don’t believe me? Just look at the local/state/federal election results since 2010) and try to think of another way to sway people. Right now the approach is just turning people off and all it is doing is giving like-minded people self-gratification. Just like sharing an op-ed from a far left source accomplishes the same thing.



    Somehow you took my post and twisted into the post below. My guess is you selectively read my post, which is not surprising.
    Commander of Awesome;1834992 wrote:So the fact that trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin in US history, as well as the lowest approval rating, and massive protests against his asinine executed orders is the fault of cry baby media? lok We don't even live on the same planet.
    Not even remotely close to what I said. You took a few words from my post and turned it into “trump won, because liberals are crying about his EOs. There really is no other response to this except you completely missed the entire point of my post.



    However I did make a point that a very good chunk of Hillary’s popular votes came from those bubble cities/states and the numbers back me up on that. I also had to laugh at any liberal crying about EOs after none of them said a word about Obama flexing his executive power. Note: I know this is hard for you to understand, but this doesn’t mean I think it is ok for Trump to flex his executive powers either. I don’t think ANY president should be doing that, and it’s not how our Government is meant to be run. It’s really not that hard to be impartial…


    Anyway, you take my comment about EOs and turn it into this:

    Commander of Awesome;1835082 wrote:lol ok, so liberals are the wimpy flowers here but it's the conservatives who are upset (QQ) about the liberals trying to defend the constitution? lolk
    I responded saying I am happy liberals are finally arguing for the constitution, because we didn’t see that the last 8 years. I will be more than happy to call out conservatives who no longer care about defending the constitution because “their guy” is in office. Regardless of who is in office, either side will unfortunately be hypocritical and sweep it under the rug, because of how polarizing our political landscape is (oh look, a common theme of my argument).



    To further prove my point on this sub argument (hypocrisy from the left), I brought up the fact Obama droned the fuck out of Syria which created the Syrian refugee crisis and he reversed a 50 year policy making it easy for Cuban refugees to come to the states. Nobody on the left said a word about this, because this was coming from “their guy.” Back to my reoccurring theme of polarizing politics, it is a shame that both sides can’t be intellectually honest and call their parties out.



    Of course you twisted my post into this:
    Commander of Awesome;1835089 wrote:So equating Trumps actions by pinpointing one Obama thing that you don't agree with makes it even huh? Nice Logical Fallacy, I'll go with strawman here http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logical-fallacies

    Since you love to throw Obama Cuban refugee up there as a "SEE!!!" you then think Trumps long list of injustices is ok? Can you even admit that what trump is doing is beyond fucked?
    Nowhere did I use Obama’s Cuban refugee policy to justify Trump’s piss poor EO. I did and have critisized Trump, but it is not enough for you. Not to mention you conveniently ignored the part about Obama droning Syria and claimed I only brought up “one Obama thing.” I listed two examples, but there are many more examples of the left staying silent over Obama executing actions that the left is now crying about. Either you couldn’t comprehend my post, or you chose to be ignorant. You’re smarter than that, so I assume it was the latter.


    I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of all the people getting worked up, but not getting worked up over similar issues. This happens on both sides of the aisle and pretty much wraps back up to my theme of polarizing politics. Cute link though, I suggest you give it a read yourself since apparently you don’t know what it means.

    Commander of Awesome;1835117 wrote:For someone who claims to not be a trump supporter, you spend a shit ton of time defending him.

    To the Atlantic Article:

    Yea, shows 1) a lack of understanding of what the Atlantic was referring to (they weren’t “comparing it to the Holocaust” they were saying that the device of broadening those impacted beyond Jews is the #1 favorite thing of Holocaust deniers; and 2) the fact that there’s a White Supremacist in the White House as top aide makes point 1 make perfect sense
    Annnnd this 100% proves my point about the theme of my entire argument. Somehow you took all my posts discussing the polarizing landscape + me providing examples hypocrisy from the left into me being a trump defender and implying I am a Trump supporter.

    I responded numerous times on the Atlantic article, but if you want me to elaborate again, I will. I know what the article is saying and I understand it. I just disagree with it and I believe it is over dramatic. They handled the EO poorly, and handled their statement over the holocaust poorly. They could have issued a statement and apologized for fucking up, but instead they doubled down that they want to be inclusive. The holocaust is the wrong topic to try and be inclusive and it inadvertently is trying to rewrite history. Trump can never admit he is wrong, thus they double downed on it. I am sure you don’t disagree with me. Just because I disagreed with the article, doesn’t mean I agreed with how the Trump admin handled it. Just because I don’t think they are “soft core holocaust deniers” doesn’t mean I saw incompetence coming from them. Do you see how that works? Is it really that hard to not think in absolutes?
    Commander of Awesome;1835137 wrote:Grossly inaccurate and over simplified.
    Great “ I am smarter than you” contribution. For all that time you gave F4F shit, you sure are doing a great job impersonating him. Care to elaborate where/what is grossly inaccurate and overly simplified? Or do you just want to keep throwing out buzzwords to pretend you are making intelligent arguments. I also noticed you conveniently completely ignored jmog’s post.



    Btw the whole point of bringing up conservative friends/family members on the far right labeling me as a liberal was a play on the fact you implied I am a Trump supporter. If I don’t go all in with the current Trump rhetoric then I am labeled a Trump supporter; If I criticize him then I am labeled a liberal. Looks like the far left or far right will be unhappy with me regardless. Hopefully one day they both can meet me in the middle. Nice selective responses overall. I won’t take the time to bold every time you said “lolk,” but look at the mirror when you talk about caricatures.
  • Crimson streak
    queencitybuckeye;1835175 wrote:And then there's people who misuse the word "literally".
    lol the point remains though


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  • Crimson streak
    like_that;1835179 wrote:You must be really triggered by the term "SJW," that's only my second time using the term and I can tell it has gotten under your skin.

    Except every one of my posts had substance to it, including when heretic got involved. Every one of your posts were very short with no substance and began/ended with some form of smugness. Hyperbolic sarcasm, “bringing teh lulz,” or “lolk” was a reoccurring theme to most of your posts. Not to mention you completely twisted every post from myself in the discussion. And I am being caricature? By all means, we can break down you contributions to the discussion and perhaps I can clear some stuff up for you, but I have a feeling you’re not interested in that since you disagree with me.

    Also before I start, LOL at playing the “I have conservative friends…” card. Are you implying this is the same as the “I have black/gay/women/etc. friends” card? If so, you completely missed the entire point of that post or deliberately pretended it meant something else, which seems par for the course during our entire dialogue here.







    In response, I provided a long post talking about how polarizing politics is and alluded to the fact the Dems have become the party of liberal cities (thus why most of these protests are being done in these cities). The numbers don't lie. LA/Chicago/NYC alone took up 13% of Hillary's popular vote. The whole point of that was this approach does nothing to swing people to vote the direction you want them to vote for.



    For over 16 years liberals called Bush, McCain, and Romney racist/bigots/etc. That works short term until people start catching on that every GOP candidate is labeled by the left. Say what you want about their political policies, but all 3 of those guys have character. After a while people think “wtf, you said the shit about the last 3 guys, why the hell should we listen to you anymore.” As a result they stop listening, and now you have a guy who actually has character issues. I will say it again and maybe it won’t go over your head. The people outside of these bubble cities are looking at all these protests and thinking “meh, same shit; different day.” My recommendation is to not double down on this approach, because it is obviously not working (don’t believe me? Just look at the local/state/federal election results since 2010) and try to think of another way to sway people. Right now the approach is just turning people off and all it is doing is giving like-minded people self-gratification. Just like sharing an op-ed from a far left source accomplishes the same thing.



    Somehow you took my post and twisted into the post below. My guess is you selectively read my post, which is not surprising.

    Not even remotely close to what I said. You took a few words from my post and turned it into “trump won, because liberals are crying about his EOs. There really is no other response to this except you completely missed the entire point of my post.



    However I did make a point that a very good chunk of Hillary’s popular votes came from those bubble cities/states and the numbers back me up on that. I also had to laugh at any liberal crying about EOs after none of them said a word about Obama flexing his executive power. Note: I know this is hard for you to understand, but this doesn’t mean I think it is ok for Trump to flex his executive powers either. I don’t think ANY president should be doing that, and it’s not how our Government is meant to be run. It’s really not that hard to be impartial…


    Anyway, you take my comment about EOs and turn it into this:


    I responded saying I am happy liberals are finally arguing for the constitution, because we didn’t see that the last 8 years. I will be more than happy to call out conservatives who no longer care about defending the constitution because “their guy” is in office. Regardless of who is in office, either side will unfortunately be hypocritical and sweep it under the rug, because of how polarizing our political landscape is (oh look, a common theme of my argument).



    To further prove my point on this sub argument (hypocrisy from the left), I brought up the fact Obama droned the fuck out of Syria which created the Syrian refugee crisis and he reversed a 50 year policy making it easy for Cuban refugees to come to the states. Nobody on the left said a word about this, because this was coming from “their guy.” Back to my reoccurring theme of polarizing politics, it is a shame that both sides can’t be intellectually honest and call their parties out.



    Of course you twisted my post into this:

    Nowhere did I use Obama’s Cuban refugee policy to justify Trump’s piss poor EO. I did and have critisized Trump, but it is not enough for you. Not to mention you conveniently ignored the part about Obama droning Syria and claimed I only brought up “one Obama thing.” I listed two examples, but there are many more examples of the left staying silent over Obama executing actions that the left is now crying about. Either you couldn’t comprehend my post, or you chose to be ignorant. You’re smarter than that, so I assume it was the latter.


    I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of all the people getting worked up, but not getting worked up over similar issues. This happens on both sides of the aisle and pretty much wraps back up to my theme of polarizing politics. Cute link though, I suggest you give it a read yourself since apparently you don’t know what it means.


    Annnnd this 100% proves my point about the theme of my entire argument. Somehow you took all my posts discussing the polarizing landscape + me providing examples hypocrisy from the left into me being a trump defender and implying I am a Trump supporter.

    I responded numerous times on the Atlantic article, but if you want me to elaborate again, I will. I know what the article is saying and I understand it. I just disagree with it and I believe it is over dramatic. They handled the EO poorly, and handled their statement over the holocaust poorly. They could have issued a statement and apologized for fucking up, but instead they doubled down that they want to be inclusive. The holocaust is the wrong topic to try and be inclusive and it inadvertently is trying to rewrite history. Trump can never admit he is wrong, thus they double downed on it. I am sure you don’t disagree with me. Just because I disagreed with the article, doesn’t mean I agreed with how the Trump admin handled it. Just because I don’t think they are “soft core holocaust deniers” doesn’t mean I saw incompetence coming from them. Do you see how that works? Is it really that hard to not think in absolutes?

    Great “ I am smarter than you” contribution. For all that time you gave F4F shit, you sure are doing a great job impersonating him. Care to elaborate where/what is grossly inaccurate and overly simplified? Or do you just want to keep throwing out buzzwords to pretend you are making intelligent arguments. I also noticed you conveniently completely ignored jmog’s post.



    Btw the whole point of bringing up conservative friends/family members on the far right labeling me as a liberal was a play on the fact you implied I am a Trump supporter. If I don’t go all in with the current Trump rhetoric then I am labeled a Trump supporter; If I criticize him then I am labeled a liberal. Looks like the far left or far right will be unhappy with me regardless. Hopefully one day they both can meet me in the middle. Nice selective responses overall. I won’t take the time to bold every time you said “lolk,” but look at the mirror when you talk about caricatures.
    This x a million. Someone with some god damn sense for once. And this is exactly what is wrong with this country. I'm not a huge fan of trump, I think some of his policy's aren't the best but there is some that I do like. Give the damn guy a chance and let shit play out and stop listening to the dumbass media.


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  • QuakerOats
    HitsRus;1835116 wrote:This immigration blow up is actually a good way to test your news source as to the accuracy and honesty of their product. Read the text of Trump's executive order, and then compare to what is being reported, and HOW it's being reported, and you will have a good idea of whether you can trust that source to give you accurate unbiased information.
    It's quite enlightening and quite scary too when you notice how people are being manipulated, even radicalized by sources that once were considered fair and unbiased.
    You can use it also to test your favorite politician too. Have fun!


    Thank you.
  • sleeper
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-named-50-lawsuits-office-article-1.2961180

    Trump named in 50 lawsuits since getting elected. Our President! Hail Trump!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/dollar-value-performance-latest-january-donald-trump-china-germany-currency-exploitation-a7556521.html

    Dollar suffers worse January in 30 years. Hail Trump!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-executive-order-muslim-ban-refugees-immigration-visas-impeachment-congress-senate-a7556351.html

    Impeachment for Muslim Ban possible. Hail Trump!

    So glad we elected the Fuhrer to office. Hail Trump!
  • sleeper
    http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story

    Trump's Benghazi? Woman dies while being blocked by Trump's Muslim ban. Incredible!
  • Heretic
    Crimson streak;1835174 wrote:Reading this thread, just shows wtf is wrong with our country. We have cry baby over dramatic Liberals, who think the world is ending and offended by literally everything, while acting like a bunch of pussies, then you have the far right who literally pounds their chest with every move trump makes. Smh


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    It's nothing more than a reversal of the last few years, sadly. Where you had Obama apologists praising or finding the positives in everything he did, regardless of what it was and you had over-the-top conservative whiners crying about everything he did like the country was going to come to an end, crying about executive orders even though it seems he had fewer than any recent multi-term president and so on.
  • QuakerOats
    Trump upholds Obama's order on LGBTQ ............you can all rest easy now.
  • Spock


    Canada
    I think they will take you