posted by queencitybuckeye
I'm not justifying it, just pointing out if the city and state officials were doing their jobs, it wouldn't have happened.

I would agree there, but just add it did need to be coordination with the local forces or at least give them a heads up. The state and locals were totally in the dark. Not cool. 

Also, if we are going to have feds come in, they, like everyone else, need to have proper credentials displayed and known to people. Just dudes in full tac gear with police across their chest is shady as shit. 

I know I would be pissed if federal dudes like that just rolled up to my area and just started arresting people. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I would agree there, but just add it did need to be coordination with the local forces or at least give them a heads up. The state and locals were totally in the dark. Not cool. 

Also, if we are going to have feds come in, they, like everyone else, need to have proper credentials displayed and known to people. Just dudes in full tac gear with police across their chest is shady as shit. 

I know I would be pissed if federal dudes like that just rolled up to my area and just started arresting people. 

They said they don’t have names across their chest because Antifa were looking for their names, and finding more info on them—where they lived, family members, etc.

Who knows if that’s true or not, but that was given as the reason why they removed names from the uniforms  

It's CC. His proof is likely, "I ReAd iT On teh bReItBaRt!!".

posted by SportsAndLady

They said they don’t have names across their chest because Antifa were looking for their names, and finding more info on them—where they lived, family members, etc.

Who knows if that’s true or not, but that was given as the reason why they removed names from the uniforms  

Yeah, that is a lame ass excuse. 

The problem some of you have is that you cant prove me wrong.  Antifa has money backers, they are coordinated and controlled by others.  

I will also go out and say the black op feeds are scooping these guys up because if they informed the local officials, they would tell the agitators that they were coming 

Prove me wrong.

posted by Spock

The problem some of you have is that you cant prove me wrong.  Antifa has money backers, they are coordinated and controlled by others.  

I will also go out and say the black op feeds are scooping these guys up because if they informed the local officials, they would tell the agitators that they were coming 

Prove me wrong.

Ohhhh look at you trying to deflect and shifting the argument. Hey man, you said they were being paid. We are just asking you to cite it. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, that is a lame ass excuse. 

K. They’re lucky they don’t get their shit kicked every day. They’re fucking losers who deserve everything they get. Don’t mess with federal buildings and you won’t get federal police. Pretty simple. 

posted by Spock

The problem some of you have is that you cant prove me wrong.  Antifa has money backers, they are coordinated and controlled by others.  

I will also go out and say the black op feeds are scooping these guys up because if they informed the local officials, they would tell the agitators that they were coming 

Prove me wrong.

Lol so you make a claim, then say “prove me wrong, you can’t” as your argument for why it’s true?

If that’s how this works, I banged 10 Victoria secret models last month. Prove me wrong bro

posted by iclfan2

K. They’re lucky they don’t get their shit kicked every day. They’re fucking losers who deserve everything they get. Don’t mess with federal buildings and you won’t get federal police. Pretty simple. 

Hey, I'm not defending the protestors, just the process for using federal force. These guys deserved to be rounded up, I agree, but it should be in coordination with locals and everyone should be IDed from their office and who they are with. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/trump-administration-federal-agents-chicago/index.html

So everyone all up in arms that Trump was nabbing people up on the streets of Portland in some covert way.

Now he is announcing that he is going to clean up Chicago.  I bet the left will outrage about that.

posted by Spock

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/trump-administration-federal-agents-chicago/index.html

So everyone all up in arms that Trump was nabbing people up on the streets of Portland in some covert way.

Now he is announcing that he is going to clean up Chicago.  I bet the left will outrage about that.

I mean if they are just dudes that roll up on people that is not good..and I think Senator Paul agrees 

We cannot give up liberty for security. Local law enforcement can and should be handling these situations in our cities but there is no place for federal troops or unidentified federal agents rounding people up at will. https://t.co/vkSHmlOzDW

— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) July 20, 2020

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I mean if they are just dudes that roll up on people that is not good..and I think Senator Paul agrees 

We cannot give up liberty for security. Local law enforcement can and should be handling these situations in our cities but there is no place for federal troops or unidentified federal agents rounding people up at will. https://t.co/vkSHmlOzDW

— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) July 20, 2020

One of the only principled politicians we have left at the federal level. 

This is how a peaceful protest gets turned violent.

posted by majorspark

This is how a peaceful protest gets turned violent.

Does everyone see the irony of a police escort for a "defund the police" march?

Also, the frickin' statue has more protective gear on then some of the cops.

posted by majorspark

This is how a peaceful protest gets turned violent.

BLM?  All they need to do was go 10 blocks south and hit the epicenter of where black lives don't seem to mean a thing.  

Yup, the BLM organization and Marxism have nothing to do with each other...change the color from red to black and the logo is the exact same.

posted by jmog

Yup, the BLM organization and Marxism have nothing to do with each other...change the color from red to black and the logo is the exact same.

Not sure they were or are trying to signal to the world that "Hey, come join our socialist movement".  Its likely pure laziness to actually come up with a thought or idea on their own.  Just goes to show you that their movement doesnt mean that much to them if they arent willing to have the desire to come up with their own logo.

Yeah, I mean look at these commies. Come on guys....

posted by sportchampps

The police were defunded in 2008 and crime skyrocketed. Police have millions of interactions with people daily and almost all are without incidents. I think improvements can be made like eliminating no knock warrants, decriminalizing weed, and making police take classes yearly or every other year on the newest deescalation techniques. 

I think we need to take justice reform further by improving the prison system and probation system. There are so many young people who get caught in the system because of probation that they keep in and out their whole lives for minor crimes. 

We also need more police and community interactions especially in minority neighborhoods. How many children are taught to fear the police and not to “snitch”. Instead lets have more community policing where children get to know the officers on their streets and develop relationships so they are not afraid and willing to report crimes to the police. 

Also if we wanna get rid of police unions I’m all for it but let’s also look at other state funded worker unions like teacher unions as well.

Your second sentence in the first paragraph is spot on.  There are 10,500,000 arrests in a year; let's say 50 of them go sideways and someone dies or is injured and perhaps it should not have happened.  That is still a success rate of 99.9995%.  To me, that is a stellar record given the risky circumstances of so many arrests.  As a whole, society should be willing to accept such a success rate in return for safety, and law and order. 

posted by queencitybuckeye
I'm not justifying it, just pointing out if the city and state officials were doing their jobs, it wouldn't have happened.

EXACTLY.  99% of the people there want safety, and law and order --- and they should get it because they pay for it.  The mayor should either resign immediately or be removed from office via referendum for dereliction of duty and putting the safety and property of the citizens at risk.

Hard to believe the mayor of Chicago just stated that "Trump troops" are not going to come and "terrorize the residents" of Chicago.

For Christ's sake, the residents of Chicago are being terrorized nightly by an absurd amount of violence and killing ...........hell yes they deserve federal troops to bring the peace and law and order.   The citizens pay for such protection, but the mayor is beyond derelict in her duty to provide the protection being paid for.  The mayor is effectively the terrorist.

posted by QuakerOats

Hard to believe the mayor of Chicago just stated that "Trump troops" are not going to come and "terrorize the residents" of Chicago.

For Christ's sake, the residents of Chicago are being terrorized nightly by an absurd amount of violence and killing ...........hell yes they deserve federal troops to bring the peace and law and order.   The citizens pay for such protection, but the mayor is beyond derelict in her duty to provide the protection being paid for.  The mayor is effectively the terrorist.

I’m being terrorized nightly? Huh, who knew

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, I mean look at these commies. Come on guys....

Look at those raised fists! They’re exactly the same as a raised fist logo!

Brb, trying to find other raised fists that look different than a...raised fist

posted by SportsAndLady

I’m being terrorized nightly? Huh, who knew

Probably not in Hipsterville or wherever you live.  But head down to the south side and I think you'd be scared poopless by the random violence that exists in the black community there.  Is there equal BLM outrage over that?  Not even close.

posted by QuakerOats

Hard to believe the mayor of Chicago just stated that "Trump troops" are not going to come and "terrorize the residents" of Chicago.

For Christ's sake, the residents of Chicago are being terrorized nightly by an absurd amount of violence and killing ...........hell yes they deserve federal troops to bring the peace and law and order.   The citizens pay for such protection, but the mayor is beyond derelict in her duty to provide the protection being paid for.  The mayor is effectively the terrorist.

Let me add in some history here. The use of federal forces/ troops has rarely been used in U.S. history. It is only used in the most extreme circumstances, think Reconstruction after the civil war. The use of federal forces has only been used recently after the 1968 riots and really after the riots in LA in 92. 

Federal forces were not really used to patrol cities. We have state and local police for that, and only in extreme cases like cities burning should we even entertain the deployment of those forces. The violence in Chicago and elsewhere does not rise to the level of those forces. Violence in Chicago and other major cities has been higher before, think the 80s and 90s and even then we did not even entertain the thought of sending in federal forces. 

If this is your thoughts, then the President of either party, can send in federal forces whenever they see something they think rises to not complying with law and order? 

I shouldn't be surprised you take this approach as anything Trump says you agree with, but this is fundamentally not an issue that people on the right would ever support. It is an expansion of federal power that contradicts the limited government philosophy.