posted by Al Bundy

It looks like you are blaming everyone except the piece of garbage who was trying to stay people.

*stab

And I think it is a total failure from her, to the foster parents, her family, friends, the neighborhood, and the city as a whole that this tragic shooting happened. 

Again it is about not putting anyone in a position where this continues. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 I think anytime a person is killed by deadly force there should be an examination of how it could have been prevented. Just dismissing it as welp, nothing the guy or system could have done is not helpful.

Ummm, do you honestly believe that doesn't happen?  Every shooting is definitely reviewed, and I'm reasonably certain anything obvious that could have been done better forms the basis to update training.

But acting like you have unlimited resources to perfect policing, as if that would even be possible, is definitely NOT helpful.

Response times should be reviewed in general.  And I'd be shocked if bigger police departments don't put significant resources into that.  Again, it's extremely unhelpful to chain together events likely out of that officer's control that don't directly affect the choices he has to make there.  An officer that did everything correctly within his control, and you STILL want to use this incident to gaslight the system.

Hate to agree with QO, but the best ROI is [much] more responsible rhetoric from the left that includes a healthy dose of personal accountability in police interactions.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

*stab

And I think it is a total failure from her, to the foster parents, her family, friends, the neighborhood, and the city as a whole that this tragic shooting happened. 

Again it is about not putting anyone in a position where this continues. 

I haven't seen what the others in her life did or didn't do, but every 16 year old knows that it is wrong to stab someone (with the exception of self defense).

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Again it is about not putting anyone in a position where this continues.

Tragic as it is, I'm not sure police are that significant a cause of death.  I'm fairly certain we're all more likely to die in a fall, and I don't hear anyone suggesting we all walk around in bubble wrap (though give Fauci more time...).

I agree we need criminal justice reform, and it's clear there are inequities among minorities, and even more so among the poor in general.  But innocent and unarmed people getting killed by police is tragic, but also very rare.  Far too rare to justify significant resources.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Oh agree. Cop did everything he could and did it right. It is about not putting him in that or any cop in that position in the first place. 

Agree with that, but I'm not sure how to do about it.

posted by Verbal Kint

After further thought, LeBron is indeed a piece of shit, he has 50M followers on twitter and posted inflammatory with intent to incite violence

So, he's Woke Trump?

posted by Heretic

So, he's Woke Trump?

Trump Tweets: Yeah, I wish he'd stay off twitter, but you know, that's just him.  He speaks his mind even if he's a little to quick to condemn.  It's part of what makes him effective.

Lebron Tweets: What a piece of shit.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Trump Tweets: Yeah, I wish he'd stay off twitter, but you know, that's just him.  He speaks his mind even if he's a little to quick to condemn.  It's part of what makes him effective.

Lebron Tweets: What a piece of shit.

Lebron tweeted a threat. 

posted by Al Bundy

Lebron tweeted a threat. 

He said he meant "next" as in next to go to trial like Chauvin.

Was a very stupid thing to do, I don't disagree with that at all.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

He said he meant "next" as in next to go to trial like Chauvin.

Was a very stupid thing to do, I don't disagree with that at all.  

If you believe that, I own a large lake north of Cleveland that I would like to sell you.

I would love to see that cop sue lebron.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Trump Tweets: Yeah, I wish he'd stay off twitter, but you know, that's just him.  He speaks his mind even if he's a little to quick to condemn.  It's part of what makes him effective.

Lebron Tweets: What a piece of shit.

Trump is also a POS.  The comparison is actually pretty good - self-important mental midgets with a propensity for inflammatory rhetoric.

posted by Al Bundy

Lebron tweeted a threat. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, everyone that jumped to conclusions without the video has egg on their face now. 

Although, I do see people saying well the cop should have done more or used nonlethal means, which does not make sense, given how he rolled up to the situation. 

I'm all for the reduction of use of deadly force. If anything, I think the focus should be more why the cops did not get there sooner? The time between the 911 and the cops getting there was 10-15 mins. Could that have been decreased? I think if the cops get there sooner, the deadly event may have been prevented.  It was just the fact this guy rolled into a hostile situation and had to use force. 

Reasonable take. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Borderline language there man. 

Even neighbors that were interviewed thought it was just a typical girl fight. It was the knife that escalated things. I agree it is on the neighborhood and others to try and de-escalate the situation so a weapon is not involved. But, if someone of authority, cop or social worker, was there quicker it could have, could being the word, prevented this from the tragic ending. 

There is also the aspect she was a trouble foster kid and how did she become one that led her to this situation. 

You are the worst.  In one post you want to investigate the response time and then you admit that the "girl fight" sounded like it wasnt that big of a deal.  

https://www.foxnews.com/media/neighbor-with-footage-of-makhia-bryant-shooting-the-video-doesnt-lie

Cop rolls up and within seconds he has to deal with a brawl with a weapon involved.  

posted by Heretic

So, he's Woke Trump?

Good comparison

posted by Al Bundy

If you believe that, I own a large lake north of Cleveland that I would like to sell you.

I would love to see that cop sue lebron.

That is absolutely what he meant in my opinion. He wasn’t threatening to shoot him if that’s what you are imply

posted by geeblock

That is absolutely what he meant in my opinion. He wasn’t threatening to shoot him if that’s what you are imply

He wanted the mob to make life miserable for that guy. Police have done a lot for him, and he treats them like garbage.

posted by Al Bundy

He wanted the mob to make life miserable for that guy. Police have done a lot for him, and he treats them like garbage.

Well he wasn’t threatening his life. He was saying he was next to be prosecuted is all I am saying 

posted by Spock

You are the worst.  In one post you want to investigate the response time and then you admit that the "girl fight" sounded like it wasnt that big of a deal.  

If you listen to the 911 call, and then other body cams, you get the full picture. 

posted by geeblock

I feel like even after seeing the video people are still defending the girl and calling the cop a murderer. I’m currently getting attacked on fb for calling it a sad but legal shooting. If the movement is going to maintain credibility these shootings have to be looked at individually. Cops aren’t going to try to taze a person with a knife trying to stab someone even if you are the one who called them 

For once you and I are in 100% agreement  

I sad the exact same thing on FB, that it is a tragic situation but it was a perfectly legitimate police shooting.

I was called ignorant and racist.

And it was the same people who agreed with me on Chauvin, that what he did deserved a conviction although I wasn’t a legal scholar to know if it was manslaughter or murder 2. 

posted by Spock

https://www.foxnews.com/media/neighbor-with-footage-of-makhia-bryant-shooting-the-video-doesnt-lie

Cop rolls up and within seconds he has to deal with a brawl with a weapon involved.  

I've noticed the last few days the gap between what is reported at the national level and what is reported here in Columbus. The Dispatch, nbc4, 10tv, abc6 all have a fuller more complete pictures of what actually happened than the national news. I know that is typically the case, but in this incident it is jarring. 

I know some of you on here will say duh, but I think it also goes to the need for local reporting as things get lost or framed incompletely under a national news outlet/ website, etc. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, everyone that jumped to conclusions without the video has egg on their face now. 

Although, I do see people saying well the cop should have done more or used nonlethal means, which does not make sense, given how he rolled up to the situation. 

I'm all for the reduction of use of deadly force. If anything, I think the focus should be more why the cops did not get there sooner? The time between the 911 and the cops getting there was 10-15 mins. Could that have been decreased? I think if the cops get there sooner, the deadly event may have been prevented.  It was just the fact this guy rolled into a hostile situation and had to use force. 

So you are saying you want more cops and more patrols for faster response time?

Welcome to the conservative side, we welcome you...actually, I am more libertarian and while I support the police I don't think we need more of them.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Borderline language there man. 

Even neighbors that were interviewed thought it was just a typical girl fight. It was the knife that escalated things. I agree it is on the neighborhood and others to try and de-escalate the situation so a weapon is not involved. But, if someone of authority, cop or social worker, was there quicker it could have, could being the word, prevented this from the tragic ending. 

There is also the aspect she was a trouble foster kid and how did she become one that led her to this situation. 

You keep using "social worker" like someone was going to talk the girl down from attempting to murder someone with a knife in the 10 seconds the cop had to handle the situation. You don't bring a social worker to a knife fight.  

posted by jmog

So you are saying you want more cops and more patrols for faster response time?

Welcome to the conservative side, we welcome you...actually, I am more libertarian and while I support the police I don't think we need more of them.

Your definition of a cop and mine I think may be different....

I'm more referring to community presence local friendly member of the community cop. Not ones that only arrive when things go bad.