Hospitalizations in Texas

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/10/for-3rd-straight-day-texas-sets-record-for-coronavirus-hospitalizations/#64ad4e263c12

posted by justincredible

Spikes in deaths, or positive cases, or hospitalizations?

I did see where Ohio had a spike in cases yesterday. First time since Saturday that there were over 400 new cases.

posted by Automatik

Hospitalizations in Texas

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/10/for-3rd-straight-day-texas-sets-record-for-coronavirus-hospitalizations/#64ad4e263c12

i still say wait until we see an uptick in deaths.  Or at least lets see what they average stay is - are people being admitted for a few days for observation as a precaution, and then sent home?

Now I'm not saying this is likely, but it's a possibility with less demand for beds in the non-flu season while many hospitals took it on the chin suspending elective surgeries....it's possible less serious cases who would have been turned away in March/April are now being admitted.

posted by BR1986FB

I did see where Ohio had a spike in cases yesterday. First time since Saturday that there were over 400 new cases.

Entire country spiked - highest total in over 5 days.   Sooooooo blame the protests, or blame Memorial Day weekend over two weeks ago?

posted by SportsAndLady

So coronavirus is back now eh?

My wife is also in healthcare and said the COVID unit (large hospital in Dayton) was increasingly more busy the last couple of days. 

Hopefully the sick ones are being talked with to find out what they’ve been doing, with who and when and where to see if we can’t narrow down if something is more dangerous. 

posted by friendfromlowry

My wife is also in healthcare and said the COVID unit (large hospital in Dayton) was increasingly more busy the last couple of days. 

Obviously there's been an increase in cases in some places, I think beyond what can be attributable to just increased testing.

Flip side of the coin is it may be better to build some herd immunity instead of trying to delay a second wave until we're in the middle of flu season.  Unless, of course, we actually get a vaccine before then.

Also, is a doubling of cases (just making up an example) in places that had 1/20th what NYC and other big cities had really a "spike"?  And why isn't Europe seeing spikes?  I remember there was talk of that when Europe started re-opening, but seems the "surge" fizzled out pretty quickly over there.

posted by gut

Entire country spiked - highest total in over 5 days.   Sooooooo blame the protests, or blame Memorial Day weekend over two weeks ago?

I think it may be Memorial Day. Looks likje the spikes are areas that have not seen it really yet, except for CA. For the protests, in the large urban areas, the lag may appear in the coming days. I know DC, MD, and VA said they have not seen a spike yet, but are wary one is coming. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 Looks likje the spikes are areas that have not seen it really yet, except for CA.

That will be interesting to see if the bigger cities already hit hard have a degree of herd immunity.  Protests should help clarify that, but also a large number of protestors WERE wearing masks so we have a pretty good test of how effective masks are in reducing spread.

A lot of those protesters were young.  Likely not going to show symptoms ...and if they do, how likely are they to go to a hospital?

posted by justincredible

Spikes in deaths, or positive cases, or hospitalizations?

Or news coverage!?

A lady I work (summer warehouse job) with apparently went in for a routine surgery, got tested, had it.  Zero symptoms, and still has none.  I think you could see this trend as well.

posted by Spock

A lot of those protesters were young.  Likely not going to show symptoms ...and if they do, how likely are they to go to a hospital?

Good point.  And I guess we can't assume they'd spread it to other people since the latest WHO data says that's unlikely.

In either scenario, it's a good case study for re-opening everything.  If it truly is only spread primarily by symptomatic people, the vulnerable can self-isolate until a vaccine becomes available.

posted by ernest_t_bass

Or news coverage!?

Lol yes, media’s fault that idiots went out without masks like there wasn’t still a virus going around. 

posted by BR1986FB

I did see where Ohio had a spike in cases yesterday. First time since Saturday that there were over 400 new cases.

My wife has been pulling the data from the state every day. Total cases may be up, but positive tests include positive anti-body tests as well as "probably" cases. And they're testing more, so the rate of positives haven't necessarily gone up.

Amy Acton just stepped down from her position.

posted by justincredible

Amy Acton just stepped down from her position.

Probably sick of everyone’s shit 

posted by justincredible

Amy Acton just stepped down from her position.

Dewine did her wrong.  I am against the type of heavy-handed lockdown/rules Ohio enacted during this time.  However Acton was advising as she saw fit from a public health perspective.  He job had nothing to do with considering economic or other impacts.  She was supposed to advise on the best steps for  public health.  Dewine paraded her out there each day and basically made her the scapegoat for what were really his decisions.  He offered an obligatory "the buck stops with me", like when protesters went to her home.  But that was BS.  He made her the "bad guy" for this from the beginning.  He should never have brought her to the forefront like that.  

After running the numbers released today by Ohio, the infection rate yesterday was 7.9% of those tested. As of today it's 7.8%. So, total cases are up but the percentage of positive tests is down.

posted by gut

Good point.  And I guess we can't assume they'd spread it to other people since the latest WHO data says that's unlikely.

In either scenario, it's a good case study for re-opening everything.  If it truly is only spread primarily by symptomatic people, the vulnerable can self-isolate until a vaccine becomes available.

Surprise, surprise, the WHO was talking out of their ass about that too. Seems like the WHO is even more dysfunctional than our government.

posted by Rotinaj

Surprise, surprise, the WHO was talking out of their ass about that too. Seems like the WHO is even more dysfunctional than our government.

Not sure I agree.  The couple articles I read basically had WHO walking back comments (undoubtedly because of political pressure) without really walking back the comments.  They basically stood behind the studies they cited, but added the caveat "but that's not proof it can't be spread asymptotically....we don't know everything yet".

All they did, effectively, was to give an out to the doomsday alarmist media to continue to ignore actual science as it suits them.

I saw Fauci's comment and it doesn't really align with what WHO actually said, including the alleged "retraction".

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Dewine did her wrong.  I am against the type of heavy-handed lockdown/rules Ohio enacted during this time.  However Acton was advising as she saw fit from a public health perspective.  He job had nothing to do with considering economic or other impacts.  She was supposed to advise on the best steps for  public health.  Dewine paraded her out there each day and basically made her the scapegoat for what were really his decisions.  He offered an obligatory "the buck stops with me", like when protesters went to her home.  But that was BS.  He made her the "bad guy" for this from the beginning.  He should never have brought her to the forefront like that.  

 

 

Acton took the newly created position of Chief Health Advisor. Her old position of Health Director was given to an attorney. It looks like she will still be doing the health, and the other will handle the lawsuits.

Cut & pasted this post from Facebook (omitted some of it). Not sure how accurate..

Here are the facts from Ohio’s Department of Health web site and other news items of note:

• Cases of the potentially deadly infection have fallen by one-third from early May, despite fears of outbreaks as Ohio reopened for business and large protests and gatherings happened over the past several weeks.

• Ohio averaged 605 new cases a day from May 1-10, a figure that fell 33%, to 407 new daily infections, over the first 10 days of June.

• The number of confirmed and probable cases decreased even as COVID-19 testing increased.

• Testing for the virus increased 58%, from an average of 7,002 a day in early May to 11,098 a day in June.

• Ohio’s nursing homes and long-term-care facilities filled with the elderly and ill account for 24% of all virus cases statewide — and, with 1,745 dead, about 71% of all fatalities.

• Thirty-nine percent of virus victims have been between the ages of 60 and 79, while those age 80 or older account for 53% of all deaths.

• The annual salary of Amy Acton will remain the same at $185,293, even though she is stepping down and taking a lower position.

 Hospitalizations of coronavirus patients fell 21%, from an average of 82 a day in early May to 64 a day, in the opening days of June

Is Ohio doing anything differently than states that are seeing increases?  Are people voluntarily wearing masks (I though DeWine ordered that and then rescinded after facing a public backlash)?

Even now I just can't see much correlation between preventative measures and infection rates.  Although I do believe social distancing and masks are worthwhile.

We've noticed a huge decrease in mask wearing around Cincinnati. It used to be 90/10 masked when we'd go out, now it's closer to 40/60 I'd guess.