Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread
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I think the NFL first said 2012 picks were off the table, then changed it to trade at your own risk. However, I really don't see them doing away w/ the draft, so I would probably trade for a 2012 pick if I thought it would help.royal_k;747832 wrote:Thanks for clearing that up. I thought there was no future trading at all. -
zach24ozWhat are the chances of Adrian Clayborn being available when the Browns are up in the 2nd round? They would probably have to trade to get back into the latter 1st round wouldn't they? How great of a start to the draft would it be to possibly have Patrick Peterson and Clayborn as your first 2 picks.
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Commander of Awesome
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BR1986FB'Camp Colt' a success; second session planned for May at Kent State, says Cleveland Browns' Josh Cribbs
Published: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:26 PM Updated: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:28 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
Josh Cribbs said Camp Colt was a huge success. Now they're planning Camp Cribbs in May at Kent State.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- "Camp Colt'' was a success and some Browns players are planning a second offensive minicamp May 19-21 at Kent State, Josh Cribbs told The Plain Dealer Saturday.
Camp Colt, as the players are calling it, was a three-day session organized by quarterback Colt McCoy at his alma mater, the University of Texas. About 12 players attended, including Cribbs, receivers Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie, running back Peyton Hillis and tight end Evan Moore.
"It was extremely beneficial and we're looking forward to doing it again,'' said Cribbs. "It's all tentative right now depending on the lockout, but we're hoping to do it at Kent State that weekend. We're asking guys to cancel engagements that are not that important and make football our No. 1 priority.''
Cribbs said he's counting on his great relationship with his alma mater to make Camp Cribbs a reality. "There was some talk about doing it at a workout facility in Geneva, but of course I'm pushing for Kent,'' Cribbs said. "We'd have the workout facility and the outdoor facility. Maybe we can even use some dorm rooms and the cafeteria. It'll be like college all over again.''
Kent State director of football operations Casey Wolf said the university would do whatever it could to accommodate Cribbs and his teammates.
"If Josh wants to do it here, we'll do everything we can to get it done,'' said Wolf. "We're more than happy to help out Josh with everything he does for us.''
Wolf said the players could use the Dix Stadium anytime they want and that they'll work out times for the indoor facility. He said Kent State strength coach Doug Davis, who came from Ohio State, would most likely be happy to help.
Cribbs said the players also plan to ask the whole team -- offense and defense -- to reconvene in Cleveland in June if the lockout is still on to begin practicing together. He said he hopes to also use Kent State, where Browns training camp used to be held, for that session or series of sessions.
"Nothing is set in stone after the May camp, but that's what we're hoping to do,'' said Cribbs.
Said Wolf: "If they want to come back in June, we'll figure it out.''
Cribbs said the June sessions will be designed to simulate organized team activities. "We'll already be in town and be ahead of the game for when the lockout ends,'' he said.
Cribbs said Camp Colt was helpful for plenty of reasons, including the fact he was 10 pounds overweight and it started to come off.
"It's always good to work out with the other guys,'' he said. "We got go so much work in and started to get some timing down. We let Colt run the show.''
Cribbs said it was great for McCoy to get to throw to his skill players this early in the off-season.
"Last year we had several quarterbacks rotating in and Colt wasn't the main guy,'' said Cribbs. "It was good for him to get that rhythm going. He was able to let us know how he wants the routes run and such.''
Despite the fact that Browns President Mike Holmgren said in March that the Browns gave McCoy a playbook, Cribbs said the players didn't use one during the camp. A source told The Plain Dealer's Tony Grossi that the Browns were fined $50,000 for "improper contact'' with McCoy and other players before the lockout. They're appealing and expect to win.
"I would've loved to have had a playbook but we didn't have one,'' said Cribbs. "The routes of the West Coast offense are pretty simple. They're routes we've already been running and the playcalling is very simple and it won't take a lot to get it down pat.''
Cribbs said in addition to lifting weights and doing drills, the players also did a lot of other things together.
"We really bonded as an offense,'' he said. "We went to chapel on Good Friday, we went to a ranch where there were animals such as tigers, lions, rhino and buffalo and we got to feed them, and we did skeetshooting. We had a great time and are looking forward to doing it again."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/04/camp_colt_a_huge_success_secon.html
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dazedconfused
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BR1986FBI'm really starting to get the feeling that if Peterson is off the board that they will select Fairley, barring a trade down. You have no idea how pissed I will be if they draft "Gerard Warren Part Deux."
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SonofanumpBR1986FB;748742 wrote:I'm really starting to get the feeling that if Peterson is off the board that they will select Fairley, barring a trade down. You have no idea how pissed I will be if they draft "Gerard Warren Part Deux."
I get the feeling that if Peterson and Green are gone that they would lean towards J Jones.
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lhslep134
BR1986FB;748742 wrote:I'm really starting to get the feeling that if Peterson is off the board that they will select Fairley, barring a trade down. You have no idea how pissed I will be if they draft "Gerard Warren Part Deux."
Probably as pissed as every other Browns fan lol.
I'm not a fan of defensive tackles going that high. If they have 2 or 3 years of elite college production that's a little different.
Since 2001:
2001:
3rd---Gerard Warren CLE BUST
6th---Richard Seymour Patriots Pro Bowler but at DE not DT
2002:
6th---Ryan Sims Chiefs- BUST
2003:
4th---Dewayne Robertson NYJ- BUST
6th---Johnathan Sullivan Saints- BUST
9th---Kevin Williams Vikings- Pro Bowler
2007:
10th---Amobi Akoye Texans- decent contributor, not a pro bowler
2008:
5th---Glenn Dorsey Chiefs eh
7th---Sedrick Ellis Saints eh
I won't go into 2009 or 2010 because I think it's too early to make an opinion. It's even a tad soon for 2008 but whatever.
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wes_mantooth
Just think....
At this time next week I will already have my browns aj green jersey....so pumped! -
Pick6
wes_mantooth;748763 wrote:Just think....
At this time next week I will already have my browns aj green jersey....so pumped!
+1.. I dont know, the offense CLEARLY needs work and I just think the defense is fine ( I used them based on the matchup to win a fantasy football championship last year year lol).. But I really don't think the Panthers take a QB at #1..and I could see the Bengals taking a QB at the #4 because of all the Carson drama...leaving.... MR GREEN. -
BR1986FBwes_mantooth;748763 wrote:Just think....
At this time next week I will already have my browns aj green jersey....so pumped!
Too bad he'll be on some other teams roster...
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BR1986FBPick6;748773 wrote: and I just think the defense is fine
WHAT?
The team is switching to a completely different base defense and has ONE D-Lineman that fits the scheme. They have have two of three "OK, but not standout" linebackers that fit their scheme, an aging corner (Sheldon) and a "so so" safety (Elam) in their secondary. Their defense isn't "fine."
Not that I WANT a WR at #6 but Julio Jones fits the WCO MUCH better than AJ Green.
If they go offense, which would be stupid (in a known defensively strong draft), might as well go 'all in" and blow ALL of your picks on offense because the defense is gonna be SO bad they are going to have to hope they can stay in games, offensively, because they are going to be shootouts...<note sarcasm> -
BR1986FBNFL Draft 2011: Peterson or Amukamara could help Browns
Published: Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:44 PM Updated: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 8:21 AM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson is not only considered the top cornerback available in the NFL Draft. Some experts say he is the best available player, period.
Louisiana State cornerback Patrick Peterson is widely-regarded as the king of the 2010 cornerback class, but Nebraska's Prince Amukamara is certainly no pauper.
The Browns had both of the top cornerbacks in for a visit last week and are considering both with their No. 6 pick in the draft. Surely, the Browns would take Peterson ahead of Amukamara, but not everyone has Peterson in the lead.
"If you polled 10 teams, it wouldn't surprise me if Amukamara was considered the top corner by five of them," Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki said on a conference call. "He may be the best pure cover corner in the draft."
Of course, the likelihood of the Browns taking Amukamara increases if Peterson is off the board at No. 6. Some experts, including nfldraftscout.com's Rob Rang, have Peterson ranked as the No. 1 overall player in the draft.
"But I do think he'll still be there at No. 6," said Rang. "If he's there, I think the Browns will take him. But if he's gone, I do think there's a possibility they could take Prince.
"In my mind, there is a significant difference between Patrick and Prince, but if Peterson is off the board, I strongly believe that Prince is worth a top 10 grade and I think he'd be a consideration for them. He has the physicality, the size, he has virtually everything you're looking for in a top 10 cornerback. He just doesn't have the ball skills, the return ability that Patrick Peterson has."
One thing is certain: Heckert has made it clear since February that he wouldn't hesitate to take a premier cornerback at No. 6 despite drafting Joe Haden No. 7 last year.
"If there's a really good one, you're not going to pass on him," Heckert said at the Combine. "Corner is just as good a possibility as anything. You're going to play close to 60 per cent nickel so you are going to have three corners on the field 60 per cent of the time. If you don't have three of them they're going to find the one."
Heckert had nothing but praise for Peterson, who could possibly go in the top five.
"He's a rare guy just because of his size alone, his size and speed," said Heckert. "I know Nnamdi [Asomugha] was a big guy but I don't think he ran like Patrick did. He's a rare guy, a rare athlete and he's a very good football player."
Peterson, who ran a sizzling 4.31 at the Combine, was impressed with the Browns new coaching staff and would love to be drafted by Cleveland.
"It was a great atmosphere during my visit and I can definitely see myself playing there," said Peterson in a phone interview. "It would be wonderful to play with Joe Haden. I had an opportunity to go play with Joe at Florida, but I turned down that offer and went to LSU. Joe Haden is definitely one of the top corners as well. He's very intelligent, smart, he plays with a lot of panache. He plays with a lot of anger and an aggressive style. He got all of those interceptions in the back half of the season.
"To me, he's definitely going to be one of the best players at his position. If I were paired with Joe Haden, I think we'd be the best cornerback tandem in the NFL sooner or later."
Peterson, an accomplished returner, also relishes the thought of learning from one of the best in the game in Josh Cribbs.
"I'd be honored to learn some new stuff from Josh," said Peterson. "If I end up at the Browns and Josh Cribbs is still doing his thing in the return game, I'd just respect that and cause turnovers and get the ball back for my offense. If I get the chance to have the ball in my hands, just take it the opposite way and try to get in the end zone. I'd just have to be patient just like I was at LSU, wait my turn and make the best of my opportunity when it's presented to me."
Peterson said he hasn't let news of a low Wonderlic test score bother him. Nawrocki reported that Peterson was one of four players to score in single digits -- nine out of 50.
"It just adds more fuel to the fire," said Peterson. "I'm not able to stop what people say about me. I just have to keep pushing because people try to bring me down each and every day when they see you at the pinnacle. I just have to be a mature young man and let it go in one ear and out the other."
Peterson, whom some teams project as a safety because of his size (6-01/2, 219), said it's his dream to go down as one of the best defensive backs to ever play the game.
"I definitely believe I have the tools to do that," he said.
Akumara, who surprised scouts with a 4.38 in the 40 at the Combine, declined to say if he's better than his good friend Peterson.
"That's a good question," he said. "I guess we'll find out. Patrick Peterson is an amazing player. Whatever attention or notoriety he's getting, he deserves it."
To reach this Plain Dealer Reporter: [email protected], 216-999-4670
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BR1986FBPatience may be key in Cleveland Browns' draft plans at defensive end: NFL Insider
Published: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:04 PM Updated: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:05 PM
Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Here are some facts about the state of the Browns' pass rush as General Manager Tom Heckert and his staff head into their final days of preparation for the 2011 draft.
• The Browns ranked 22nd in sacks per pass play in 2010 after ranking seventh in 2009.
• Their switch to a four-man defensive front requires a minimum of three defensive ends -- two starters and at least one dependable backup. They currently don't have one under contract on their roster.
• The top two 4-3 end candidates in the draft each has just enough risk to scare away most teams picking in the Browns' No. 6 position in the first round.
• The NFL labor dispute has frozen all player transactions. Free agency may not begin until July -- if that early.
Given this set of circumstances, you'd think Heckert would be sweating bullets merely to find bodies, much less quality players, to play the end positions in coordinator Dick Jauron's defense. But he's not.
"We will find players," Heckert said, almost too casually, in his last pre-draft public appearance on Thursday.
In Heckert's nine seasons in Philadelphia starting in 2001, the Eagles drafted a defensive end in the first round one time. That was Jerome McDougle in 2003. It was a disaster, worsened by the fact the Eagles gave up a second-round pick to move up 15 spots to take McDougle. He never had a healthy season and was released in 2008.
Under Heckert, the Eagles took to finding pass rushers deep in the draft. They were overlooked by most teams because they generally fit a physical mold roughly of 6-2 and 250 pounds. Heckert said in February that you can find such players anywhere because the smaller ends are not in demand.
On Thursday, Heckert was asked what was the cutoff point, weight-wise, in what he looks for at defensive end.
"In Philly, it was 250 -- tops," Heckert said. "We had Trent Cole and Juqua Parker, and those guys."
Cole weighed 236 and timed 4.70 in the 40 prior to the 2005 draft. Heckert took him in the fifth round. In six seasons, Cole's 57 sacks rank third on the Eagles' all-time list.
Parker, listed as 6-2, 250, was undrafted out of Oklahoma State in 2001 and signed by Tennessee. The Eagles signed him in free agency in 2005. He has 30 sacks over the past five seasons -- more than all but two undrafted players over that period.
Another defensive end in this mold is Victor Abiami, a second-round pick of the Eagles in 2007. He had only four sacks in 29 career games before microfracture knee surgery put his career on hold.
So the two defensive ends Heckert took in the first and second rounds were not success stories and the one drafted late -- and in Parker's case, not at all -- were. Those kind of experiences tend to weigh on men whose living is based on making more correct guesses than flameouts.
Heckert feels he can get his type of ends anywhere in the draft. He said he doesn't gamble on projecting college linebackers with the preferred body type and converting them to end.
"In college, there are a bunch of defensive ends [who] are 250 pounds," he said. "I don't know if we have anyone on our defensive end board that stood up [as linebackers] in college."
Who, then, might be defensive end candidates for Heckert in the draft? If we look slightly over the 250-pound barrier, these players would seem to be on his radar screen.
First round
• Robert Quinn, North Carolina, 6-4 and 265 pounds: He's got that one-year layoff and a benign brain tumor. Otherwise, he might be taken in one of the top three picks.
• Aldon Smith, Missouri, 6-41/4, 263: He's been compared to Jason Pierre-Paul, the Giants' first-round pick a year ago.
• Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue, 6-4, 267: This is stretching the body type, but he is seen as a high-energy guy who should go in the middle of the round.
Second round
• Brooks Reed, Arizona, 6-21/2, 263: His pass-rushing skills, and playing resemblance to Clay Matthews III, are moving him closer to the bottom of the first round.
• Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh, 6-27/8, 264: A strong senior season as a dominant rusher earned him Big East defensive player of the year honors.
Third round
• Sam Acho, Texas, 6-1 5/8, 262: Scores high in intangibles such as work ethic and character and had a really fine Senior Bowl against Colorado first-round tackle Nate Solder.
• Chris Carter, Fresno State, 6-11/8, 248: Another high character guy whose pass-rush skills are countered by limitations against the run. Many see him as an outside linebacker but he earned Western Athletic Conference player of the year honors at defensive end.
Fourth round
• Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh, 6-47/8, 264: Another one stretching the body type. Suffered serious back and ACL injuries after deciding to return his senior year. Was an outstanding rusher as a junior, winning Big East defensive player of year honors.
Fifth round
• Ricky Elmore, Arizona, 6-41/2, 255: Had 21.5 sacks his last two years, leading the Pac-10 each season and easily surpassing teammate Reed. What he lacks in physical tools he makes up for in work ethic and intangibles. Coaches love him.
Sixth round
• Markus White, Florida State, 6-31/2, 266: Excellent hustle and outstanding character and work ethic offset his lack of polish. He won't step right in, but he can be coached up.
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BR1986FBOffensive line a lesser concern for Cleveland Browns: 2011 NFL Draft
Published: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 9:00 PM
Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Some people won't be happy until the Browns have a first-round draft choice at every position on the offensive line.
General Manager Tom Heckert is not one of them. Asked at the NFL Scouting Combine if the Browns needed a new right tackle, Heckert responded quickly.
"Right now, I don't think so. We like Tony [Pashos]. I thought he played really, really well until he got hurt," Heckert said.
Pashos was one of Heckert's top free agent acquisitions in 2010. The eight-year veteran was given a $4 million signing bonus and $10.3 million overall in a three-year contract.
Pashos, who missed most of the 2009 season with San Francisco after he broke his left shoulder blade, wound up missing 10 games with the Browns after a season-ending ankle injury. The line looked stable in Pashos' three starts.
Heckert expects Pashos to be back at right tackle in 2011.
"Now, do we want a young guy? Yeah, sure," Heckert said. "We want young guys all the way through."
The Browns have visited with two of the top-rated tackles in this draft, Tyron Smith of Southern California and Gabe Carimi of Wisconsin. They have also worked out at least three latter-round prospects.
All of the visits or workouts were with tackle prospects, which figures because they don't have a bonafide developmental tackle on the roster. They took guard Shawn Lauvao in the third round last year.
Lauvao was expected to challenge for a starting spot as a rookie, but fell behind early after suffering a high ankle sprain in training camp and wound up making one start.
Best of the best
Players listed by name, school, height, weight and 40 time.
1. Tyron Smith (T), USC, 6-5, 307, 4.91
Comment: Two-year starter at right tackle who can play left tackle because of athleticism.
2. Anthony Castonzo (T), Boston College, 6-7, 311, 5.21
Comment: Rhodes scholar nominee who worked himself into dependable four-year starter at left tackle.
3. Gabe Carimi (T), Wisconsin, 6-7, 314, 5.18
Comment: Took over for Joe Thomas and started on left side for four years.
Three more to watch
4. Mike Pouncey (G-T), Florida, 6-5, 303, 5.12
Comment: Snap problems might put his home at guard, not like twin brother Maurkice, center for Steelers.
5. Derek Sherrod (T), Miss. St., 6-53/8, 321, 5.18
Comment: Thirty-five starts at left tackle in the pass rush-heavy SEC.
6. Nate Solder (OT), Colorado, 6-81/4, 319, 4.96
Comment: A converted tight end still growing into the tackle position.
On the Browns
Starters: Joe Thomas (LT), Eric Steinbach (LG), Alex Mack (C), Floyd Womack (RG), Tony Pashos (RT).
Backups: Billy Yates (G-C), Shawn Lauvao (G), Steve Vallos (G-C), Pat Murray (G).
Unsigned: Womack, Yates.
Comment: GM Tom Heckert sees Pashos as the undisputed starter at right tackle, if healthy, which has been a problem his last two years. The uncertain contract status of Womack and Yates kills what had been good depth. A young tackle to groom as a potential starter is a must.
Level of need (1 to 10): Seven.
Best fit for Browns: Lee Ziemba, Auburn (fourth round).
Next: Running backs.
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BR1986FB;748786 wrote:WHAT?
The team is switching to a completely different base defense and has ONE D-Lineman that fits the scheme. They have have two of three "OK, but not standout" linebackers that fit their scheme, an aging corner (Sheldon) and a "so so" safety (Elam) in their secondary. Their defense isn't "fine."
Not that I WANT a WR at #6 but Julio Jones fits the WCO MUCH better than AJ Green.
If they go offense, which would be stupid (in a known defensively strong draft), might as well go 'all in" and blow ALL of your picks on offense because the defense is gonna be SO bad they are going to have to hope they can stay in games, offensively, because they are going to be shootouts...<note sarcasm>
eh, you're right, I forgot Mr. Ryan came to my Cowboys this off season
...You say its a defensively strong draft, which I agree with, so why not get your biggest need on offense with your first pick, then draft defense in the later rounds where there is sure good quality still there? Don't know what the Browns look like in the later rounds, but I figure that CB from Colorado will be there early in the second round.
Regardless, I really liked what the Browns did in the draft last year compared to previous years..if they keep it up, they'll keep moving in the right direction. -
BR1986FBPick6;748846 wrote: Regardless, I really liked what the Browns did in the draft last year compared to previous years..if they keep it up, they'll keep moving in the right direction.
Regardless of what the resident OC "troll" (not you..we ALL know who that is) says about Cleveland and the Browns, Cleveland fans should be super excited/optimistic with Holmgren & Heckert in control. Consensus across the league is that the Browns are in VERY good hands. I trust Heckert to make the right decisions. I may not be happy with a pick or two but I trust him. His track record is proven. -
zach24ozSo is Carolina's pick going to come down to Cam Newton or AJ Green? Kiper was saying if they drafted Green he would be a nice compliment to Steve Smith as Carolina would try to develop Jimmy Clausen some more. If the drafted Green that may open things up for the Browns to have a shot at Patrick Peterson.
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BR1986FBzach24oz;748868 wrote:So is Carolina's pick going to come down to Cam Newton or AJ Green? Kiper was saying if they drafted Green he would be a nice compliment to Steve Smith as Carolina would try to develop Jimmy Clausen some more. If the drafted Green that may open things up for the Browns to have a shot at Patrick Peterson.
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lhslep134
BR1986FB;748875 wrote:I'd be stunned if AJ Green went #1 overall.
Me too. They'd be placing all of their chickens in the Jimmy Clausen basket. Unless they want to guarantee themselves Andrew Luck next year, that's a bad idea.
Although truthfully, maybe it's not. Andrew Luck is vastly superior IMO than Newton who is so dumb that Auburn didn't even use plays just play #'s last year (thanks for pointing that out Gruden), and while I feel Gabbert will have a much better career than Newton, it kinda makes more sense to draft weapons around Clausen/Luck than to draft an idiot QB at #1 (cough cough Jamarcus). -
zach24ozNo matter what happens I think our first pick will be very good. If Peterson is gone is it likely we would pick Quinn or go ahead and take Julio Jones. I'm not sure if I want Fairley with the 6th pick...
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2kool4skool
I think the Browns pick is going to come down to a choice between Julio Jones and Robert Quinn. I see the first five picks going...
1.) Carolina - Cam Newton
2.) Denver - Marcell Dareus
3.) Buffalo - Von Miller
4.) Cinci - AJ Green
5.) Arizona - Patrick Peterson
Which really leaves Cleveland with just a couple logical options: Quinn or Jones
If Buffalo takes Gabbert, which is a definite possibility, then I see it going...
1.) Carolina - Cam Newton
2.) Denver - Marcell Dareus
3.) Buffalo - Blaine Gabbert
4.) Cinci - AJ Green
5.) Arizona - Von Miller
Then that gives Cleveland the chance to pick Peterson.
Arizona could also pass on Peterson to take Gabbert/Newton if they're there. But it seems much more likely that Whisenhunt will elect to sign a veteran(McNabb or Bulger) or trade for one(Kolb.)
So the Browns hopes of getting Peterson most likely rely on Buffalo taking whichever QB Carolina doesn't take. Their hopes of getting Green simply rely on Cinci not taking him. But the most likely outcome remains both being gone by the 6th pick. -
lhslep134
2kool4skool;748900 wrote: But the most likely outcome remains both being gone by the 6th pick.
That would suck because we'd either have to take a WR (which we can get later on) or a defensive lineman with a question mark. As I posted on the last page, the success rate of defensive tackles taken in the top 10 in the past 10 years has been very low. -
BR1986FBI think if Von Miller is gone at #5, and Gabbert is there, the Cardinals take him. I'd have no issue with Gabbert falling to the Browns because Minny & Washington both might want to trade up.
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zach24ozIf Buffalo doesn't select Gabbert I think ARZ probably would just bc they need to find a QB...If Peterson is gone I would rather have Quinn at #6 I think. If they would get Quinn with the 1st pick they could look at CB Jimmy Smith(if he's there) in the early 2nd if they wanted to go that route.