Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread
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BR1986FBYeah Baby !!! Somebody from my school finally getting some love...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/20/draft-sleeper-baldwin-wallace-pass-rusher-keith-darbut/ -
OneBuckeye
BR1986FB;746026 wrote:Yeah Baby !!! Somebody from my school finally getting some love...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/20/draft-sleeper-baldwin-wallace-pass-rusher-keith-darbut/
Well now the cats out of the bag Oakland probably takes him in the second.
Considering Darbut’s workout numbers, it’s probably safe to suspect Oakland has interest, too.
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BR1986FBOneBuckeye;746030 wrote:Well now the cats out of the bag Oakland probably takes him in the second.
Yeah, no shit. An undersized LB that can run like a deer. Has the Cryptkeeper written all over him. As a matter of fact, Davis probably uses the articles on PFT as one of his "scouts."
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Art Modell
BR1986FB;746026 wrote:Yeah Baby !!! Somebody from my school finally getting some love...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/20/draft-sleeper-baldwin-wallace-pass-rusher-keith-darbut/
Arena league at best. Or Cleveland. -
BR1986FBArt Modell;746086 wrote:Arena league at best. Or Cleveland.
And what position will you be playing this year? Being a fan of the "Ben-etrator" should we "ass"ume "tight end?" -
Commander of Awesome
BR1986FB;746092 wrote:And what position will you be playing this year? Being a fan of the "Ben-etrator" should we "ass"ume "tight end?"
I think tight end is the safest bet. lol -
OQB
Tight end most likely but other probable positions open: "ball" boy and team message therapist -
BR1986FBI'm seeing quite a few mocks where Peterson is falling to us at 6. The consensus of these analysts have Newton/Dareus/Von Miller going 1-2-3 with many having the Bengals taking either AJ Green or Julio Jones, which leaves Gabbert for Arizona. Man, it would be great if things turned out like that.
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OQB
I would be elated if we got Peterson.
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BR1986FBI've also seen a few mocks where we PASS on him in favor of Quinn. I think Quinn could be real good but Peterson is likely the best player in this draft.
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Pick6
Seen today, forget which show, that if Peterson is still there along with Jones or Green....the Browns should take the WR. I agree. 29th passing offense in the NFL last year, no go to guy. Its their biggest need. -
Art Modell
BR1986FB;745808 wrote:Right now, I'd probably say 4-12 to 7-9 (with some breaks).
We suck again!!!! hahahaaaaa -
BR1986FBArt Modell;746378 wrote:We suck again!!!! hahahaaaaa
You should know ALL about "sucking", Dirty Knees....
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BR1986FBPick6;746377 wrote:Seen today, forget which show, that if Peterson is still there along with Jones or Green....the Browns should take the WR. I agree. 29th passing offense in the NFL last year, no go to guy. Its their biggest need.
Completely disagree. BPA, which is Peterson. Plenty of WR talent later in this draft plus everyone seems to forget that there's always free agency if this lockout ends. Actually, with Rubin being their only legit D-Lineman, that area is their biggest area of need. -
royal_k
I have to agree with taking Peterson over one of those 2 WR. But I still think a bigtime pass rusher is #1. -
like_that
Art Modell;746378 wrote:We suck again!!!! hahahaaaaa
Is it possible to be the first mod ever to get sent to the basement? -
BR1986FBBest bet: Wait, reasses talented '12 QB class
By Brent Sobleski
OBR Draft Analyst
Posted Apr 21, 2011
OBR's Sobo answers the question "Will the Browns take a QB at No. 6?"
When the quarterback position enters any conversation, it quickly becomes a lightning rod for strong opinions. Cleveland's current situation behind center is far from settled, thus it opens the door to potential prospects becoming viable targets for fans, who fall in or out of love with those players who have yet to set a foot on a NFL field.
The brass in Cleveland hasn't helped the situation. They have publicly supported Colt McCoy as the team's starting quarterback, which he seemingly earned on the field when he showed tenacity, toughness, accuracy and playmaking ability. He stumbled to the finish line, but his play showed he can compete and his team can compete with the right components around him. Yet, it hasn't stopped his team from studying each and every quarterback prospect they can lay their eyes on, which may just be a nervous habit of team president Mike Holmgren and the newly named head coach Pat Shurmur. Fans can also believe that general manager Tom Heckert wasn't in McCoy's corner when he became the team's selection in the third round of the 2010 draft.
Thus, one has to ponder all of the options.
The options begin with those being considered potential top 10 overall selections, Auburn's Cameron Newton and Missouri's Blaine Gabbert. Neither should enter the conversation for Cleveland.
Newton lacks basic quarterbacking skills including anticipation, consistently throwing into tight windows, throwing receivers open, or even running a semblance of a NFL caliber offensive scheme. He is a great athlete pretending to be a quarterback at this juncture. His natural ability is alluring, but he will have to be in the right situation to succeed, which isn’t Cleveland. The Browns are a team implementing the west coast offense. They have taken the proper steps for this franchise to be on the same page from Holmgren down through the coaching ranks. Newton's abilities are the exact opposite of what they will be looking for to fit said system.
Gabbert is a more natural passer than Newton, but like his counterpart, a selection of the Missouri product is not the ideal situation. His pocket presence is questionable, and he can be seen bailing out of the pocket even if a faint pass rush is implemented by the opposing defense. Gabbert also lacks the benefit of playing in an NFL caliber system.
Either prospect could eventually land No. 1 overall. In fact, if either fell, Cleveland better be fielding every call possible to enact the best trade down scenario feasible with quarterback starved San Francisco and Tennessee looming directly behind.
As the scenarios play out in front of Cleveland, real (potential) interest in possible quarterback prospects will begin in round two. A round that has seen multiple talents continually move up draft boards, as the value of the position always drives up the class late in the process.
TCU's Andy Dalton has invoked comparisons to Aaron Rodgers, however unlikely. Arkansas' Ryan Mallett is as naturally gifted a passer as any in this class. Washington's Jake Locker has the ideal athleticism and arm strength, but never improved his accuracy as a senior. Florida State's Christian Ponder has come full circle as a potential late first rounder early in the process and once again in consideration after his medicals checked out. Nevada's Colin Kaepernick is nearly as physically gifted as Newton was described, but he has produced long term and will have the luxury of seeing bench and develop time early in his career.
Of those Kaepernick is the most intriguing. He has the raw physical ability of a Newton, the production of a Tim Tebow, and he won't be drafted high enough to demand early playing time. Coaches love his attitude and when they get him on the chalkboard. He has a cannon for an arm, but he has improved his touch as his career commenced in Reno. He clearly needs work with technique issues, but his value compared to his natural talent may give whatever team selects him the most return. (Note: Cleveland has worked out Kaepernick throughout this process.)
The most prudent action for the Browns would be to wait past rounds two or three. Clearly a talent drop off will be significant past said point, but some intriguing talents will be available that are ideal fits for the west coast offense.
Iowa's Ricky Stanzi is a player, when watching his film, he absolutely screams west coast quarterback. As a senior, he tremendously improved his passing accuracy and touchdown to interception ratio. He was no longer the type of quarterback one would anticipate making the crucial mistake in the game. He showed timing and the ability to throw in tight windows between the numbers. Stanzi should be available in round three.
Virginia Tech's Tyrod Taylor is similar to Stanzi in that he has continued to evolve as a passer during his time in college. He still lacks a great feel for the position, but his accuracy and playmaking ability were top notch as a senior even in a limited passing offense. Taylor is also an outstanding athlete who can really threaten the edge of a defense when he starts to scramble. He should be available in the mid to late rounds.
Delaware's Pat Devlin and Alabama's Greg McElroy also present skill sets that make them potential fits in the west coast offense.
Finally, let's not completely overlook the fact Cleveland is a team with multiple needs. Needs such as wide receiver and defensive line which will require immediate attention. If none of these quarterbacks are considered significant upgrades over McCoy, which I do not believe they are, there is no reason to spend an early round selection on any (unless an extra pick or two is accumulated).
While anyone can expect Holmgren and his crew to eventually select a prospect at the position, because he believes in doing so every year, it would be in the team's best interests to wait and see McCoy can do before truly -
BR1986FBhttp://cle.scout.com/2/1066229.html
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14954551/browns-draft-needs-mccoy-will-start-but-lacks-targets
http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/120314719.html
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
http://www.walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?22273-Rick-Gosselin-s-First-2011-NFL-Mock-Draft
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/04/north_carolinas_robert_quinn_d.html
Some old, some new....enjoy! -
buckif the browns do not draft Peterson, i hope the trade out of the 6th position and get more draft picks. if the browns trade out of the 6th spot i would like them to pick the Jordan (DE from Cal) and the 2nd round pick drafting a dt such as Stephen Paea from Oregon State.
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BR1986FBbuck;747027 wrote:if the browns do not draft Peterson, i hope the trade out of the 6th position and get more draft picks. if the browns trade out of the 6th spot i would like them to pick the Jordan (DE from Cal) and the 2nd round pick drafting a dt such as Stephen Paea from Oregon State.
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BR1986FBHeckert had his pre-draft presser today. I don't even want to HEAR Fairley's name when the Browns are on the clock...
2011 NFL Draft: Browns GM Tom Heckert addresses injury concerns surrounding top prospects
by Nate Ulrich on April 21, 2011
Heckert once again emphasized that he'll stick to his preferred draft strategy by picking the best available players. Here are some of the highlights:
•Heckert said the Browns believe Clemson defensive end Da'Quan Bowers' surgically repaired right knee is OK. "Our doctors have looked at him 100 times," Heckert said. "He went to the (NFL's medical) re-check. We've done our due diligence. I don't want to get into all (this) medical stuff, but, yeah, we think his knee is gonna be all right."
•When asked if the Browns are concerned about the Alabama wide receiver Julio Jones' surgically repaired foot, Heckert said: "I think there's a zillion guys that have medical (concerns), just some stuff. We're aware of everything, and those guys, I think we're fine with that." Heckert also said Jones helped his cause by running with a stress fracture in his foot in February at the NFL Scouting Combine. "That shows how tough the kid is," Heckert said.
•When asked how he would characterize the degree of risk that North Carolina defensive end Robert Quinn, who missed last season because of an NCAA suspension, presents, Heckert said: "I don't think it's a risk," Heckert said. "Obviously, it's a thing you'd rather not have to deal with. You'd like to see him play this year, and unfortunately you can't. I don't think it's a risk. Obviously, you're basing it off last year's tape. To be honest, even for the seniors, we always look at two years of tape anyway. … You have one less year to look at for him. You just have to kind of use your judgment."
•Heckert on LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson: "He's a very good football player. He is. He's a rare, rare guy 'cause of his size alone. Size and speed, I don't know when the last guy that came out — (Oakland Raiders cornerback) Nnamdi (Asomugha) was a big guy, but I don't think he ran like Patrick guy. So he's a rare guy, a rare athlete and he's a very good football player." Heckert also emphasized the importance of having depth at corner. "You're playing close to 60 percent nickel, so you're gonna have three corners on the field 60 percent of the time," he said. "If you don't have three of them, they're gonna find the one. They're going to or you've gotta roll coverage that way and you're putting a guy on an island. The more cover guys you can have, the better of you are."
•Heckert defended Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley, who's been labeled as a one-year wonder who sometimes takes plays off. "The stuff that's being thrown out, it really bothers me," Heckert said. "Some of the stuff you hear about is legit, but they toss around a lot of stuff way too easily. I do think it affects the kids. I personally don't like it. As a scouting (community) in the NFL, we bring it on ourselves. It's not a good thing. Scouts talk too much about their opinion to other people and I don't think they should. But no. It's not an issue for us."
•Fairley played last season, but Quinn didn't, so why is Quinn still hanging around the bubble in everyone's perception? Heckert replied, "I wouldn't say everybody's perception."
•Heckert wouldn't rule out trading up or down, but he said trading up is probably not realistic. "I would say it's probably unlikely, but I have talked to some teams ahead of us just to see," Heckert said. "That's probably a tougher thing to do from our situation. We'd hate to give up picks to do something like that."
•Heckert downplayed the widespread thought that Browns President Mike Holmgren picked quarterback Colt McCoy in last year's draft. "That's completely not true, though," Heckert said. "Colt McCoy was the guy that was there when we picked. He was our highest-rated guy. Did Mike like him? Yes. Did Eric (Mangini) like him? Yeah. I think that's blown a little bit out of proportion." -
BR1986FBSorry I couldn't post the link to that article on that page. My computer or something is messed up...here it is
http://browns.ohio.com/2011/04/2011-nfl-draft-browns-gm-tom-heckert-addresses-injury-concerns-surrounding-top-prospects/ -
like_that
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BR1986FB
He's just a great dude. I heard that out of the blue he decided to sponsor some Little League baseball team....(shhhh....don't say "little" and "baseball team" TOO loud...Ben might be around.
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