Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread

• iclfan2

  

  2kool4skool;748900 wrote:I think the Browns pick is going to come down to a choice between Julio Jones and Robert Quinn. I see the first five picks going...
  
  1.) Carolina - Cam Newton
  2.) Denver - Marcell Dareus
  3.) Buffalo - Von Miller
  4.) Cinci - AJ Green
  5.) Arizona - Patrick Peterson
  
  Which really leaves Cleveland with just a couple logical options: Quinn or Jones
  
  If Buffalo takes Gabbert, which is a definite possibility, then I see it going...
  1.) Carolina - Cam Newton
  2.) Denver - Marcell Dareus
  3.) Buffalo - Blaine Gabbert
  4.) Cinci - AJ Green
  5.) Arizona - Von Miller
  
  Then that gives Cleveland the chance to pick Peterson.

  
  Agreed. If we get to Peterson we take him. But odds are it will be Julio Jones... Quinn is to much of a ?
• 2kool4skool

  

  BR1986FB;748912 wrote:I think if Von Miller is gone at #5, and Gabbert is there, the Cardinals take him. I'd have no issue with Gabbert falling to the Browns because Minny & Washington both might want to trade up.

  
  Logically, I'd think the same thing. But Fitzgerald gave an interview where he said he was confident the Cardinals wouldn't be taking a QB. That tells me he either has inside info, or he's let them know in a not so subtle way that he's gone if they stick him with another "developing" passer.
• BR1986FB

  I like Quinn but a brain tumor in a pro football player is unheard of....
• wes_mantooth

  

  Seriously....i hope peterson falls to us. If not...i want green or jones. I just think they are the only "difference makers" in this draft. I think the dline draft is good, but deep...so that could be addressed in the 2nd round with not much fall off.
• iclfan2

  

  Here is my cousins round 1 mock draft. He also wrote a 123 draft guide on as many top players as he could. It is almost a page each of the top 10 players at each position plus more. If anyone is interested, send me a message with your email address and I can send it to you. I promise you won't be disappointed.
  
  1. CAROLINA PANTHERS CAMERON NEWTON QB Oklahoma State
  2. DENVER BRONCOS MARCELL DAREUS DT Alabama
  3. BUFFALO BILLS VON MILLER OLB Texas A&M
  4. CINCINNATI BENGALS BLAINE GABBERT QB Missouri
  5. ARIZONA CARDINALS PATRICK PETERSON CB LSU
  6. CLEVELAND BROWNS AJ GREEN WR Georgia
  7. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS ROBERT QUINN DE North Carolina
  8. TENNESSEE TITANS NICK FAIRLEY DT Auburn
  9. DALLAS COWBOYS TYRON SMITH OT USC
  10. WASHINGTON REDSKINS JULIO JONES WR Alabama
  11. HOUSTON TEXANS PRINCE AMUKAMARA CB Nebraska
  12. MINNESOTA VIKINGS JAKE LOCKER QB Washington
  13. DETROIT LIONS ANTHONY CASTONZO OT Boston College
  14. ST. LOUIS RAMS COREY LIUGET DT Illinois
  15. MIAMI DOLPHINS KYLE RUDOLPH TE Notre Dame
  16. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS RYAN KERRIGAN DE Purdue
  17. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS* CAMERON JORDAN DE California
  18. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS JJ WATT DE Wisconsin
  19. NEW YORK GIANTS MIKE POUNCEY G Florida
  20. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS ALDON SMITH DE Missouri
  21. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS PHIL TAYLOR DT Baylor
  22. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS GABE CARIMI OT Wisconsin
  23. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES JIMMY SMITH CB Colorado
  24. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS DA’QUAN BOWERS DE Clemson
  25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS RYAN MALLETT QB Arkansas
  26. BALTIMORE RAVENS DEREK SHERROD OT Mississippi State
  27. ATLANTA FALCONS DANNY WATKINS G Baylor
  28. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BROOKS REED OLB Arizona
  29. CHICAGO BEARS MUHAMMAD WILKERSON DT Temple
  30. NEW YORK JETS CAMERON HEYWARD DE Ohio State
  31. PITTSBURGH STEELERS AARON WILLIAMS CB Texas
  32. GREEN BAY PACKERS AKEEM AYERS OLB UCLA
• se-alum

  

  iclfan2;748994 wrote:Here is my cousins round 1 mock draft. He also wrote a 123 draft guide on as many top players as he could. It is almost a page each of the top 10 players at each position plus more. If anyone is interested, send me a message with your email address and I can send it to you. I promise you won't be disappointed.
  
  1. CAROLINA PANTHERS CAMERON NEWTON QB Oklahoma State
  2. DENVER BRONCOS MARCELL DAREUS DT Alabama
  3. BUFFALO BILLS VON MILLER OLB Texas A&M
  4. CINCINNATI BENGALS BLAINE GABBERT QB Missouri
  5. ARIZONA CARDINALS PATRICK PETERSON CB LSU
  6. CLEVELAND BROWNS AJ GREEN WR Georgia
  7. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS ROBERT QUINN DE North Carolina
  8. TENNESSEE TITANS NICK FAIRLEY DT Auburn
  9. DALLAS COWBOYS TYRON SMITH OT USC
  10. WASHINGTON REDSKINS JULIO JONES WR Alabama
  11. HOUSTON TEXANS PRINCE AMUKAMARA CB Nebraska
  12. MINNESOTA VIKINGS JAKE LOCKER QB Washington
  13. DETROIT LIONS ANTHONY CASTONZO OT Boston College
  14. ST. LOUIS RAMS COREY LIUGET DT Illinois
  15. MIAMI DOLPHINS KYLE RUDOLPH TE Notre Dame
  16. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS RYAN KERRIGAN DE Purdue
  17. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS* CAMERON JORDAN DE California
  18. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS JJ WATT DE Wisconsin
  19. NEW YORK GIANTS MIKE POUNCEY G Florida
  20. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS ALDON SMITH DE Missouri
  21. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS PHIL TAYLOR DT Baylor
  22. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS GABE CARIMI OT Wisconsin
  23. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES JIMMY SMITH CB Colorado
  24. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS DA’QUAN BOWERS DE Clemson
  25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS RYAN MALLETT QB Arkansas
  26. BALTIMORE RAVENS DEREK SHERROD OT Mississippi State
  27. ATLANTA FALCONS DANNY WATKINS G Baylor
  28. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BROOKS REED OLB Arizona
  29. CHICAGO BEARS MUHAMMAD WILKERSON DT Temple
  30. NEW YORK JETS CAMERON HEYWARD DE Ohio State
  31. PITTSBURGH STEELERS AARON WILLIAMS CB Texas
  32. GREEN BAY PACKERS AKEEM AYERS OLB UCLA

  
  Not sure I want to read a draft guide written by someone who doesn't know where Cam Newton attended college.
• iclfan2

  

  Well here is what he wrote about Newton, I agree that one place he messed up the school. He knows what he is talking about though. And although I hate Grossi, Grossi uses some of his stuff.
  
  2. CAMERON NEWTON | Auburn 6-5|248 lbs|4JR College Park, GA (Westlake HS) 5/11/1989 (age 21) #2
  A one-year starter, Cameron “Cam” Newton was a top-20 QB recruit out of HS and chose Florida over Oklahoma and Mississippi State. He saw action in 2007 as a true freshman as the back-up QB to Tim Tebow (5 games played/0 starts), finishing 5/10 (50.0%) for 40 yds, adding 103 rush yds (6.4) and 3 TDs. As a sophomore, Newton lost the back-up role to QB John Brantley in 2008 (1 gp/0 st), playing briefly in the season opener, but didn’t play the rest of the season and ended up redshirting. Deciding he didn’t want to wait behind Tebow and because of some off-field issues, Newton decided to transfer from Gainesville in 2009 and ended up at Blinn Junior College (TX), leading the Buccaneers to the 2009 NJCAA National Championship. In 2010, he became the top rated JUCO prospect and decided to enroll at Auburn over Mississippi State. Newton put together one of the most dominant seasons in 2010 as a junior for the Tigers (14 gp/14 st), finishing 185/280 (66.1%) for 2,854 yds and a 30/7 TD/INT ratio, adding 1,473 rush yds (5.6) on 264 carries and 20 TDs, earning First Team All-SEC honors and several awards including the Heisman Trophy and the Davey O’Brien, Manning, Maxwell and Walter Camp Awards. To no surprise, he decided to skip his senior season and enter the 2011 NFL Draft.
  STRENGTHS: Newton has a large, wide frame with elite measureables. He is an above average athlete with excellent running instincts and field vision. Newton is a dangerous running threat with great start/stop ability, COD and elusiveness for his size, avoiding tacklers with ease and wiggling out of tacklers’ grasp. He moves around effortlessly in the pocket and has impressive burst and acceleration when he decides to tuck the ball and run – long strider who takes large steps. Newton has cannon arm strength with a flick of his wrist and can make all of the NFL throws with excellent zip. He has very good body control, balance and coordination and is a natural, savvy runner – great strength and power as a short-yardage guy to run over defenders. Newton stands tall in the pocket with great height to scan the entire field. He is a tough guy to bring down in the open field and shows an explosive second gear. Newton has solid mechanics with a quick delivery and impressive ball fakes – throws a very catchable ball. He is patient and poised in the pocket, rarely seeming rattled. Newton improved his awareness and touch as the 2010 season went on and seemed to get better with each start. He is mentally and physically tough and showed impressive focus considering all the outside distractions this past year. Newton has a lot of confidence in his ability and has a positive swagger to his game that is contagious to his teammates around him. He put together one of the best seasons in NCAA history in 2010, leading Auburn the National Title, earning several notable awards (including the Heisman Trophy) and became just the second QB in college football history with 20+ rush TDs and 20+ pass TDs in the same season (Tim Tebow, 2007).
  WEAKNESSES: Newton is still raw as a passer, not throwing with consistent fundamentals – too often gets lazy and abandons his technique. He has inconsistent footwork, too often throwing flat footed or not setting his feet before delivering. Newton’s accuracy and ball placement is very hot/cold and a work-in-progress – needs to do a better job of hitting targets in stride and showing better anticipation as a passer. He has the tendency to stare down targets and rush through his delivery – needs to work on his timing, especially when pressured. Newton has a slight wind-up motion and has room to clean up his delivery, but this isn’t a huge concern. He thrived in a read option offense in college and wasn’t asked to take snaps from under center, work through his progressions and read defenses as he drops back. Newton looks to run too quickly and was feared more for his legs than his arm at the college ranks. He has some durability concerns because of the amount of hits to his body – he takes some punishment (264 rush attempts in 2010). Newton carries some strong character concerns as off-field issues seemed to follow him throughout his college career – he was arrested in Nov. 2008 for a laptop theft (charges eventually dropped) and dealt with eligibility concerns this entire past season due to his father asking for money in return for his son to play at their school (Newton found to have no knowledge of his father’s dealings). There are also questions about his work ethic and commitment to putting in the necessary prep – does he have the first guy in the building/last to leave mentality?
  OVERALL: Newton is a freakishly gifted athlete for his size (bigger than most DEs) and moves well in the pocket, buying time with his legs and running like a tank, but he had the luxury of playing behind a veteran OL and talented supporting cast at Auburn. He throws a pretty ball and can make all the NFL throws, but he also abandons his mechanics easily and fails to set his feet which leads to accuracy issues. Newton has a charismatic and engaging personality, but his sketchy character history raises strong concerns about his decision-making and reliability. He put up video game-like stats last season and showed up with several clutch performances, but he didn’t play in a pro-style offense – he wasn’t asked to take snaps from under center, sit in the pocket and go through multiple progressions. Newton is a tough player to project because there are a lot of factors to consider and, like Ben Roethlisberger and Vince Young, it isn’t always pretty, but he produces, wins and shows leadership qualities on the field – a borderline top-20 pick in my opinion, but I’d be shocked if he fell out of the initial top-3 picks.
  PROJECTION: 1st-2nd Round COMPARISON: Ben Roethlisberger/Vince Young WORKOUT RESULTS: 4.59 40-YD DASH // 35” V // 10’6” BJ // 6.92 3C // 4.18 SS
• Pick6

  

  iclfan2;748994 wrote:Here is my cousins round 1 mock draft. He also wrote a 123 draft guide on as many top players as he could. It is almost a page each of the top 10 players at each position plus more. If anyone is interested, send me a message with your email address and I can send it to you. I promise you won't be disappointed.
  
  1. CAROLINA PANTHERS CAMERON NEWTON QB Oklahoma State
  2. DENVER BRONCOS MARCELL DAREUS DT Alabama
  3. BUFFALO BILLS VON MILLER OLB Texas A&M
  4. CINCINNATI BENGALS BLAINE GABBERT QB Missouri
  5. ARIZONA CARDINALS PATRICK PETERSON CB LSU
  6. CLEVELAND BROWNS AJ GREEN WR Georgia
  7. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS ROBERT QUINN DE North Carolina
  8. TENNESSEE TITANS NICK FAIRLEY DT Auburn
  9. DALLAS COWBOYS TYRON SMITH OT USC
  10. WASHINGTON REDSKINS JULIO JONES WR Alabama
  11. HOUSTON TEXANS PRINCE AMUKAMARA CB Nebraska
  12. MINNESOTA VIKINGS JAKE LOCKER QB Washington

  
  I think the top 10 or so will play out more like that then that crap McShay & Co. are putting out there.
• Art Modell

  

  BR1986FB;748858 wrote:Regardless of what the resident OC "troll" (not you..we ALL know who that is) says about Cleveland and the Browns, Cleveland fans should be super excited/optimistic with Holmgren & Heckert in control. Consensus across the league is that the Browns are in VERY good hands. I trust Heckert to make the right decisions. I may not be happy with a pick or two but I trust him. His track record is proven.

  
  Cant win in this league without a QB. You can thank Holmgren and Heckert for the mess you're in. Delhomme and Wallace lmao.hahahaaaaa
• KR1245

  

  2kool4skool;748926 wrote:Logically, I'd think the same thing. But Fitzgerald gave an interview where he said he was confident the Cardinals wouldn't be taking a QB. That tells me he either has inside info, or he's let them know in a not so subtle way that he's gone if they stick him with another "developing" passer.

  
  It seems like the Cardinals have to take a quarterback. I cant imagine that they would go into next season with what they have, maybe they plan on making a run at Kobb or VY
• Art Modell

  

  KR1245;749067 wrote:It seems like the Cardinals have to take a quarterback. I cant imagine that they would go into next season with what they have, maybe they plan on making a run at Kobb or VY

  
  Mcnabb. He owns a house in Arizona only 2 doors down from coach Whisenhunt.
• Crimson streak

  

  Art Modell;749053 wrote:Cant win in this league without a QB. You can thank Holmgren and Heckert for the mess you're in. Delhomme and Wallace lmao.hahahaaaaa

  
  As back ups? You know McCoy is the starter right?
• Art Modell

  

  Crimson streak;749082 wrote:As back ups? You know McCoy is the starter right?

  
  If you think McCoy is a starting QB in the NFL than you are dumber than Holmgren.
• bases_loaded

  

  Art Modell;749085 wrote:If you think McCoy is a starting QB in the NFL than you are dumber than Holmgren.

  
  Get an avatar that makes sense and then ill take you serious...
• like_that

  

  Crimson streak;749082 wrote:As back ups? You know McCoy is the starter right?

  
  You know he is just trolling right?
• Art Modell

  

  like_that;749105 wrote:You know he is just trolling right?

  
  No I'm not. The Clowns will never be anything until they get a QB.
• Crimson streak

  

  Art Modell;749085 wrote:If you think McCoy is a starting QB in the NFL than you are dumber than Holmgren.

  
  Considering he hasn't even played a full NFL season neither one of us really know. But what I do know is we don't have a rapist as a qb
• Art Modell

  

  Crimson streak;749111 wrote:Considering he hasn't even played a full NFL season neither one of us really know. But what I do know is we don't have a rapist as a qb

  
  I'll take the QB that has been to 3 SuperBowls. lolfail.hahahaaaaa
• like_that

  

  Art Modell;749114 wrote:I'll take the QB that has been to 3 SuperBowls. lolfail.hahahaaaaa

  
  Gotta love how Capone has more posts in the Cleveland thread, than the Steeler's 3 page (lolfail) offseason thread.
  
  
  Where is BR's prediction by the way?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Art Modell;749114 wrote:I'll take the QB that has raped 3 chicks. lolI'msuchafail.hahahaaaaa

  
  cool.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;749105 wrote:You know he is just MENTALLY RETARDED right?

  
  Fixed
• BR1986FB

  Kinda funny how the OC's resident retard made a comment to the effect of he was "impressed with" or "surprised in how well McCoy played" (these aren't exact quotes but his comments regarding McCoy WERE favorable if I recall) when the Browns met the Steelers yet now we see stuff like "If you think McCoy is a starting QB in the NFL than you are dumber than Holmgren." Typical spin from the mental midget.
  
  EDIT:This was from the Steelers/Browns thread (first game)...
  
  Quote Originally Posted by I Wear Pants View Post
  I was impressed by Mccoy. I think he earned some more playing time today.
  
  This is coming from a Steelers fan.
  
  (Capone's response) I agree +1
  
  I'm not the most computer/technically astute individual so I cut & pasted what I saw. Have no idea how to take a quote from one thread and to move it to another, capturing it in it's original form. I will say that I DO remember my password though and haven't had to change my username.
• bases_loaded

  

  But seriously....where does 76 go through Cleveland
• royal_k

  

  Can't wait to see the idiot's response to the last 2 post.....
• BR1986FB

  And by the way, I saw that quote on the Browns/Steelers thread from the 10/17 (first meeting) game just in case his post "mysteriously" disappears. LOL