posted by QuakerOats

$35 million raised in 12 hours.   

It meets the criteria of a cult.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It meets the criteria of a cult.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Supposedly 30% were new donors. I get you hate Trump, but not sure why you’re discounting the anger people have at this sham. (And no, I would never donate to a political campaign. I’d rather light bills on fire than donate to any of those fucks). 

So everyone on the left is happy and everyone on the right says it’s a sham and a kangaroo court. 

Shocking.  Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? 

posted by iclfan2

Supposedly 30% were new donors. I get you hate Trump, but not sure why you’re discounting the anger people have at this sham. (And no, I would never donate to a political campaign. I’d rather light bills on fire than donate to any of those fucks). 

It's sad, if not a little bizarre, that everyone shitting themselves over Trump being a "threat to democracy" turn a blind eye to the attacks on Democracy from the left.

And I say that with the GA case being fully legit, and if it were up to me, disqualifying.  But the reason it's not is because the founding fathers actually did anticipate this, and decided the courts will not circumvent the will of the people.  

Even to the extent that courts can create obstacles, you still have the legislature and even constitutional amendments to overrule them.  Yet we see over and over that the Democrats aren't willing to work within this framework, preferring to stack the courts to impose their will unilaterally.

As much as I loathe Trump, I honestly believe the Democrats are a bigger threat.  We saw Trump large contained, some would say obstructed, and even marginalized and ultimately voted out and leaving office...but somehow he's going to become a dictator or POTUS for life?!?  It's nothing but fearmongering so you won't notice the authoritarian push coming from the left.

posted by kizer permanente

So everyone on the left is happy and everyone on the right says it’s a sham and a kangaroo court. 

Shocking.  Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? 

I think a fair number of people who are neither left nor right think this was a sham.  Campaign finance violations are almost always dealt with fines, and prior to this I don't believe EVER prosecuted at the state level.  Like I said, Hillary did basically the same thing and was charged only with an $8k fine.

So not just a sham, but a politically targeted sham.  Which, unfortunately, this brain dead country is fully incapable of acknowledging until it happens to their candidate.  The payback from Republicans will be brutal, and if that doesn't tear the country apart, the subsequent Democrat revenge almost certainly will.  Someone is going to have to eventually be an adult and say enough is enough, or we definitely are doomed.

posted by kizer permanente

So everyone on the left is happy and everyone on the right says it’s a sham and a kangaroo court. 

Shocking.  Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? 

You'd be surprised, if not quite shocked, at how many on the left hate what the Dems are doing. They are well aware that there is a high probability that they are next since they are anti establishment, too. 

What people on this site have the habit of doing is conflating anything people say against the Dems as being for Trump. There is a clear absence of any critical or comparative thought with all this mess. 

Dems today: how dare you attack the justice system.

Dems 2 days ago: Alito flew a flag (that we made up is bad) on his house! He must recuse and the court is illegitimate!

posted by iclfan2

Dems today: how dare you attack the justice system.

Dems 2 days ago: Alito flew a flag (that we made up is bad) on his house! He must recuse and the court is illegitimate!

They haven't realized yet that about 2/3 of the country sees through that and doesn't approve.  It's why Trump got elected the first time, and may very well again.  The only reason it's close is for many people Trump isn't a better option.

Of course, there's also the fact that Republican primary voters have rejected better candidates in 2 cycles now.  Other candidates haven't figured out yet how to attack the left like Trump without coming across as unhinged, like Trump.  That was Desantis' mistake - he had the right policies, but he needed to be himself instead of channeling a clearly pretend imitation of the Orange Man.  And Haley forgot the "fight" part while trying to be a voice of reason and failing to distinguish herself from the uni-party establishment crowd.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It meets the criteria of a cult.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

LOL

posted by MontyBrunswick

How much of it was from Putin?

If it was all of it it still wouldn't match what Biden Inc. has received from Ukraine, China, Romania and Russia.

posted by QuakerOats

If it was all of it it still wouldn't match what Biden Inc. has received from Ukraine, China, Romania and Russia.

Ugh! Here we go again with the thread being made about QO

Justin, if I turned into a big enough crytard, can you hide this forum?

(it's a joke, crytards)

posted by CenterBHSFan

Ugh! Here we go again with the thread being made about QO

Justin, if I turned into a big enough crytard, can you hide this forum?

(it's a joke, crytards)

Like a dog returns to his own vomit so a fool returns to his folly.

posted by iclfan2

Supposedly 30% were new donors. I get you hate Trump, but not sure why you’re discounting the anger people have at this sham. (And no, I would never donate to a political campaign. I’d rather light bills on fire than donate to any of those fucks). 

If a big part of my poli-argument was based on inflation and everything costing more and there I was throwing money at opposing politicians to "support" them, that kind of ties into the "fool and money are soon parted" deal.

posted by gut

I think a fair number of people who are neither left nor right think this was a sham.  Campaign finance violations are almost always dealt with fines, and prior to this I don't believe EVER prosecuted at the state level.  Like I said, Hillary did basically the same thing and was charged only with an $8k fine.

So not just a sham, but a politically targeted sham.  Which, unfortunately, this brain dead country is fully incapable of acknowledging until it happens to their candidate.  The payback from Republicans will be brutal, and if that doesn't tear the country apart, the subsequent Democrat revenge almost certainly will.  Someone is going to have to eventually be an adult and say enough is enough, or we definitely are doomed.

I think a fair number of people also realize most campaign finance violations still pertain to the campaign like Hillary’s opposition research did, and not hush money to porn stars, right?  Not that what Hillary’s campaign did was right, but most reasonable people can discern a difference.  

posted by CenterBHSFan

You'd be surprised, if not quite shocked, at how many on the left hate what the Dems are doing. They are well aware that there is a high probability that they are next since they are anti establishment, too. 

What people on this site have the habit of doing is conflating anything people say against the Dems as being for Trump. There is a clear absence of any critical or comparative thought with all this mess. 

Seems to be business as usual everywhere I look.   Including this site.

posted by Heretic

If a big part of my poli-argument was based on inflation and everything costing more and there I was throwing money at opposing politicians to "support" them, that kind of ties into the "fool and money are soon parted" deal.

Its been so long ago I think in my late twenties I gave some money to the Republicans.  Short lived and not a red cent to anyone politically affiliated since.  If this surge in donations is accurate post guilty verdict it would indicate a motive outside of inflation and cost of living concerns.  Perhaps still fools parting with their money but with a different motivation.

posted by iclfan2

Supposedly 30% were new donors. I get you hate Trump, but not sure why you’re discounting the anger people have at this sham. (And no, I would never donate to a political campaign. I’d rather light bills on fire than donate to any of those fucks). 

I’m sure some of of it was protesting the trial.  But I’m also of the opinion that most of it was given to a personality that just got more impressive in the donor’s eyes.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I’m sure some of of it was protesting the trial.  But I’m also of the opinion that most of it was given to a personality that just got more impressive in the donor’s eyes.

A sudden surge for a personality we have known in politics for nearly a decade.  More impressive now as a convicted felon.  I do not believe this is the case.

posted by majorspark

A sudden surge for a personality we have known in politics for nearly a decade.  More impressive now as a convicted felon.  I do not believe this is the case.

We disagree on this.  In my opinion, Trump - to a lot of his followers - does represent the right, conservatism, libertarianism, nor the Republican Party.  He represents Trump the personality and that’s what people follow.  He’s certainly not the first character that’s thrown in with the “government is evil”, “immigrants are taking over”, “they’re coming for your guns”, etc.  But he’s been by far the most successful in our lifetime.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

We disagree on this.  In my opinion, Trump - to a lot of his followers - does represent the right, conservatism, libertarianism, nor the Republican Party.  He represents Trump the personality and that’s what people follow.  He’s certainly not the first character that’s thrown in with the “government is evil”, “immigrants are taking over”, “they’re coming for your guns”, etc.  But he’s been by far the most successful in our lifetime.  

All this has been known since 2016.  How does this trigger a sudden surge in donations following a specific event?

It would actually be deviously brilliant if Gov. Hochul pardoned him.

Then Democrats will claim the high road - "justice was served but we don't want this to be political".  But, more importantly, it eliminates the fairly significant chance (but maybe still less than 50%, at least at the lower appelate courts) this is overturned.  Then they get to keep calling him a convicted felon...plus it would not be good for Democrats if it's overturned.

I do have a feeling the SCOTUS could decide, correctly in my view, that states don't get to prosecute federal charges, at least when the feds themselves have not charged or convicted the person.

This case is especially ridiculous when you realize they needed the federal charge to revive the misdemeanor that was otherwise past the statute of limitations, and then required proving the same federal charge in order to elevate that same misdemeanor to a felony.  And that's not even addressing the novel and unique way these charges were woven together.

posted by majorspark

All this has been known since 2016.  How does this trigger a sudden surge in donations following a specific event?

Maybe a lot of followers never gave before.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Maybe a lot of followers you never gave before.  

I'm not sure I understand this. Your phone (if that's what you used) probably corrected something that wasn't wrong. I know it happens to me sometimes; it happened to me earlier in this thread and I'm just too lazy to fix it lol! 

But yeah, the sentence as it is doesn't make sense.

posted by CenterBHSFan

But yeah, the sentence as it is doesn't make sense.

I think it’s supposed to be “Maybe a lot of followers WHO never gave before”.