posted by like_that

Do you think adding "eh..." makes your point stronger? 

Most situations the cops won't have the benefit of searching a car before the perceived threat walks up to it.  If you were in this situation, would you take your chances and wait to see if it's a gun?  If so, you are most likely dead.   This is not to place 100% blame on the guy who got shot. Yes, we can all agree that it was pathetic that 3 cops (I forget the number) were unable to detain him.  You would think with all of that training it wouldn't be difficult.   As rot pointed out, they either need more training or better training.  Perhaps the standards should be higher to pass training. 

I am not sure why we all also can't agree with gut's point, that the guy was a moron to continue to resist and go toward his car when guns were pulled out on him. The current climate aside, this is not a controversial opinion.  If any of us encountered any cops, I am willing to bet none of us would do what most people do when they end up getting killed by cops.   

Except there are hundreds of examples of white people not complying with police and not getting killed  

Sounds like you guys want “comply or die” policing. Except that doesn’t seem to apply with every interaction, and maybe that’s what people are upset about. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Who gives a shit? You’re mad that some media are calling him a white supremacist? No comment that a 17 year old kid took an assault rifle (or whatever you weird gun people prefer to call it) Across state lines to be some vigilante and ended up shooting and killing people, and then got to go home and have a good nights sleep?

Instead of being outraged over the clear issue, you’re making the narrative “WHYYYY are they calling him a white supremacist ugh so annoying”

And you guys wonder why this site is a safe zone for alt-right rhetoric

I specifically said "progressive politicians". 

Also I posted a link to a pretty thorough timeline of events. I've said nothing else pertaining to my own thoughts of the Kenosha troubles. 

How are you getting your conclusions?

posted by SportsAndLady

Except there are hundreds of examples of white people not complying with police and not getting killed  

Sounds like you guys want “comply or die” policing. Except that doesn’t seem to apply with every interaction, and maybe that’s what people are upset about. 

Fine. Since you want to play this game...

Time for a thread.

I'm tired of insufferable circus clowns who are unable (read: unwilling) to research for themselves. So, I will do it for them.

December 2019:
Matthew Krupar was shot and killed by police in League City, TX while he was assaulting an officer. He was unarmed. pic.twitter.com/IRsey5Zq8Y

— Leonydus Johnson (@LeonydusJohnson) August 28, 2020

posted by SportsAndLady

Except there are hundreds of examples of white people not complying with police and not getting killed  

Sounds like you guys want “comply or die” policing. Except that doesn’t seem to apply with every interaction, and maybe that’s what people are upset about. 

You don’t think there are hundreds of examples of black people not complying and not getting killed? You know there are stats and stuff about whites and blacks being shot by the police? 

“As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings showed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.“

Sorry that you can’t do a little bit of research and just post about your feelings

posted by CenterBHSFan

I specifically said "progressive politicians". 

Also I posted a link to a pretty thorough timeline of events. I've said nothing else pertaining to my own thoughts of the Kenosha troubles. 

How are you getting your conclusions?

Lol how am I getting my conclusions? Maybe the paragraph post you made about how they’re saying he’s a white supremacist...maybe that?

posted by iclfan2

You don’t think there are hundreds of examples of black people not complying and not getting killed? You know there are stats and stuff about whites and blacks being shot by the police? 

“As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings showed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.“

Sorry that you can’t do a little bit of research and just post about your feelings

Relax, dude. I obviously realize there are also examples of black people not being shot despite threatening the cops. 

The issue is the inconsistencies. They can’t say “comply or die” but pick and choose when to abide by it. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Lol how am I getting my conclusions? Maybe the paragraph post you made about how they’re saying he’s a white supremacist...maybe that?

What happened to your big exit from the other day?  You're back already?  You need to study George Costanza's "exit while on top" philosophy.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

What happened to your big exit from the other day?  You're back already?  You need to study George Costanza's "exit while on top" philosophy.

I just have to load every page about 5-10 times if I want to take a look at this dump of a site and content. 

By the way, you have the worst gif game in the world. Your posts are genuinely terrible. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Lol how am I getting my conclusions? Maybe the paragraph post you made about how they’re saying he’s a white supremacist...maybe that?

I said progressive politicians farted out enough brains cells to call him a white supremacist.
Then I said that media was scouring his socials to find evidence to back the claim, which hasn't happened as of this very second.

Then you jump to conclusions and allude to things I never said.
What's really bothering you or are you just fapping out of boredom?

posted by CenterBHSFan

I said progressive politicians farted out enough brains cells to call him a white supremacist.
Then I said that media was scouring his socials to find evidence to back the claim, which hasn't happened as of this very second.

Then you jump to conclusions and allude to things I never said.
What's really bothering you or are you just fapping out of boredom?

Are you drunk or something?

You made a long post about the white supremacy thing. You made zero posts how fucked up it is that a 17 year old kid took a rifle to an area with rioting and ended up killing someone. AND didn’t get arrested right away. 

That’s the issue, hope this helps. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Are you drunk or something?

You made a long post about the white supremacy thing. You made zero posts how fucked up it is that a 17 year old kid took a rifle to an area with rioting and ended up killing someone. AND didn’t get arrested right away. 

That’s the issue, hope this helps. 

It wasn't a long post. Otrap has long posts. Mine wasn't long.

You're right, I said nothing one way or another about the shooting, except that and then I linked a pretty good thread on Twitter. 

So I didn't say anything that you wanted to read and that bothered you?

SnL bitches when people post things he doesn't want to read.

Then he bitches when people don't post what he wants to read.

Goofy ass attention whore lol

posted by SportsAndLady

I just have to load every page about 5-10 times if I want to take a look at this dump of a site and content. 

By the way, you have the worst gif game in the world. Your posts are genuinely terrible. 

Despite your "everyone's out to get me angle" and your melodramatic resignation from the site, I would guess that approximately 0% of us expected you to stay away for long.  It was actually pretty surprising that you stayed away even for a couple of days.  I guess in light of the fact that COVID restricts outside options, at least you're back here and not somewhere getting yourself into trouble.  

Well, until you're next dramatic exit, welcome back.  

This place is definitely a dumpster fire now.

I love it.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Despite your "everyone's out to get me angle" and your melodramatic resignation from the site, I would guess that approximately 0% of us expected you to stay away for long.  It was actually pretty surprising that you stayed away even for a couple of days.  I guess in light of the fact that COVID restricts outside options, at least you're back here and not somewhere getting yourself into trouble.  

Well, until you're next dramatic exit, welcome back.  

*Your

posted by Heretic

*Your

So it is.  Thank you for improving me. 

posted by geeblock

Huh? I’m half white dude 

Is that equal to white people saying “I have a black friend” when someone on the left calls them a racist? Asking for a friend...

posted by geeblock

It’s funny to be called a racist by the if you disagree with the left you are a racist crowd. Kudos 

Welcome to the conservative or libertarian world. We are all labeled racists, homophobic bigots by the left for simply not being of the same mindset.

I am not saying you are, or even he was right in saying that because I don’t agree with calling you a racist bigot. I just am commenting on the irony, that anyone who isn’t a left liberal gets labeled a racist/bigot all the time.

posted by jmog

Welcome to the conservative or libertarian world. We are all labeled racists, homophobic bigots by the left for simply not being of the same mindset.

I am not saying you are, or even he was right in saying that because I don’t agree with calling you a racist bigot. I just am commenting on the irony, that anyone who isn’t a left liberal gets labeled a racist/bigot all the time.

Yes that was the joke 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I don't know...maybe do more to not use deadly force unless it is absolutely required? 

How about the more use of physical force by the officers? Not choke holds, but more effort to get the suspect on the ground. How did Blake get that free? How did he outmaneuver all these officers to get to the car?

Also, why aren't any of them wearing body cams to get a better picture of what actually happened?

What deescalation tactics did the officers use to try and bring the situation down, or did they just come in hot and start to escalate the situation that led to this?  

More training on when exactly to pull the service arm, and not to really unload 7 shots, when a quick tap tap will do. If he only shot him twice, his wounds would not have been as bad. So, poor training on the cop there. 

Cops should be held to a higher standard and the use of deadly force should only be used as a last resort. Since Cops have the ability to kill, they should have a very, very, very high standard to use that weapon and every single action and use of that weapon should be highly scrutinized. We should question why they took that action and rethink why and if it was taken too soon? I also take whatever Cops say with a heavy grain of salt as they have lost the benefit of the doubt over the last few years of police unions and covering their own ass. 

Just one comment...

Your comment that “2 shots rather than seven” really shows your lack of knowledge and understanding of how guns work, how much damage they do, and how anyone (not just police) is trained in firearm defense training.

You are NEVER to just “shoot once or twice” when in a deadly situation. Civilians to police officers are trained to unload their whole magazine into the person in a life or death situation. 

There is no “shoot him once or twice, then check him, and shoot again if he is still a danger” scenario EVER.

You unload as soon as the situation validates pulling the trigger even once, period. 

posted by jmog

Is that equal to white people saying “I have a black friend” when someone on the left calls them a racist? Asking for a friend...

Probably “I have a black niece or nephew” lol 

posted by jmog

Just one comment...

Your comment that “2 shots rather than seven” really shows your lack of knowledge and understanding of how guns work, how much damage they do, and how anyone (not just police) is trained in firearm defense training.

You are NEVER to just “shoot once or twice” when in a deadly situation. Civilians to police officers are trained to unload their whole magazine into the person in a life or death situation. 

There is no “shoot him once or twice, then check him, and shoot again if he is still a danger” scenario EVER.

You unload as soon as the situation validates pulling the trigger even once, period. 

Welp, maybe that philosophy is part of the problem.

Also, man, I know how guns work. I did grow up in Southern Ohio...come on. I used to go to the range with my step-father growing up. 

I don't think I want a police officer just unloading a clip just because they felt unsafe. 

Curious, I don't really hear stories of our military unloading clips into the enemy.  

posted by SportsAndLady

Except there are hundreds of examples of white people not complying with police and not getting killed  

Sounds like you guys want “comply or die” policing. Except that doesn’t seem to apply with every interaction, and maybe that’s what people are upset about. 

Police kill twice as many whites than blacks.

Please be data driven and leave the emotions aside.

posted by QuakerOats

Police kill twice as many whites than blacks.

Please be data driven and leave the emotions aside.

Says that guy that just pulled numbers out their ass....

posted by QuakerOats

Police kill twice as many whites than blacks.

Please be data driven and leave the emotions aside.

In 2019 whites killed 40 cops blacks 7