posted by geeblockNot talking about people here. Talking about comment sections on twitter/Facebook. For me I can easily separate the movement from the organization. I don’t think they own this whole movement that is happening even though they started it. It’s much more loosely organized in my opinion.
Your first mistake was reading/caring about Twitter and Facebook comments.
posted by friendfromlowryYour first mistake was reading/caring about Twitter and Facebook comments.
I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t bother me sometimes.
posted by geeblockI’d be lying if I said it doesn’t bother me sometimes.
That's why I asked if you read a lot of twitter. Your post read like the cesspool of arguments you see on twitter.
This is probably for another thread, but social media has done more harm to this country than good. I think if/when studies are done, we will see a direct correlation between social media consumption and the rising depression/suicide rate in this country.
Even if you (you in general) are generally stable, reading that shit can get to you. That is why I told you specifically before to get out more and quit reading consuming that shit. I think the entire country would benefit from it. Just go out and live life. It's really not that bad.
posted by gutI honestly think there's a movement in the radical left to hijack BLM, not unlike the religious right did with the Tea Party.
The organization definitely has been hijacked. They already have leaders promoting themselves as marxists. I would be lying if I knew about their mission statement, before Marcellus Riley's rant (link below) , but just read it. I have however, brought up the two parent household rate for African American families and it is very low. So, how does this statement help black people?
"We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work. We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
A two parent household can solve many issues. Just look at the two parent household rate for each demographic and match it to the median household income in the US by demographic. I am not sure how attacking the nuclear family structure and replacing it with "villages" (aka marxism) is going to help black families. BTW, this is also becoming a white problem. The two parent household rate is dropping in white households and we are starting to see more whites in poverty, because of it.
.@MarcellusWiley breaks down why the NBA’s plan to paint ‘Black Lives Matter’ on courts is a bad idea. pic.twitter.com/EoCJNf7ho1
— Speak For Yourself (@SFY) June 30, 2020
posted by geeblockThey should remain peaceful as the vast majority are. I went to three and all were peaceful for many hours. I think the protests easily get hi jacked and then BLM gets the blame. The police didn’t help either. 99% of the people want to protest peacefully. They peacefully protested all around Columbus without issue. Westerville, Powell, Delaware. It was very uplifting and powerful honestly. The only one that got violent was downtown col
1. I agree the majority are, but its definitely not like 99% of the protests stay peaceful, it maybe more like 60-70%, which is not good to be honest.
2. I also agree that it is being hijacked. The BLM organization is being hijacked by Marxists and many of the protests are being hijacked by Antifa and turning violent because of it. Antifa is a terrorist organization and is slowly trying to turn BLM into the same.
I don’t want to defund the police. I don’t want to tear down statues. What about my freedom of speech? I want to be united as Americans. Congress and Senators... Can you hear me? pic.twitter.com/2fdqP6GSwQ
— Herschel Walker (@HerschelWalker) July 3, 2020
DeSean Jackson and Stephen Jackson can fuck off.
posted by friendfromlowryDeSean Jackson and Stephen Jackson can fuck off.
You could have posted that 5 years ago and it would still be a good post
posted by jmog1. I agree the majority are, but its definitely not like 99% of the protests stay peaceful, it maybe more like 60-70%, which is not good to be honest.
2. I also agree that it is being hijacked. The BLM organization is being hijacked by Marxists and many of the protests are being hijacked by Antifa and turning violent because of it. Antifa is a terrorist organization and is slowly trying to turn BLM into the same.
I’ve watched about 4 BLM protests go by my apartment. Sat outside and even once walked a few blocks with them (because I saw a friend and chatted with her). 100% of the people were friendly and peaceful.
You need to stop watching Fox News and OAN and whatever that is telling you that the protestors are angry and aggressive people. That’s just backing their agenda. They’re taking the handful of rioters and making it seem like it’s a third of the protestors.
posted by SportsAndLadyI’ve watched about 4 BLM protests go by my apartment. Sat outside and even once walked a few blocks with them (because I saw a friend and chatted with her). 100% of the people were friendly and peaceful.
You need to stop watching Fox News and OAN and whatever that is telling you that the protestors are angry and aggressive people. That’s just backing their agenda. They’re taking the handful of rioters and making it seem like it’s a third of the protestors.
You can also stop watching all the other media who spent 24 hours a day showing nothing but civil disobedience and violence to promote the anti trump agenda. Now people that want to do it the right way are all labeled as violent.
posted by SportsAndLadyI’ve watched about 4 BLM protests go by my apartment. Sat outside and even once walked a few blocks with them (because I saw a friend and chatted with her). 100% of the people were friendly and peaceful.
You need to stop watching Fox News and OAN and whatever that is telling you that the protestors are angry and aggressive people. That’s just backing their agenda. They’re taking the handful of rioters and making it seem like it’s a third of the protestors.
I don’t watch Fox or OAN. Nice try though.
I count looting, rioting, breaking down private gates, blocking highways, etc as non-peaceful.
Lille I said, the majority are peaceful but if you believe it is 95%+ then you should stop watching MSNBC and Vox.
posted by jmogI don’t watch Fox or OAN. Nice try though.
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then you should stop watching MSNBC and Vox.
"It's not me who watches teh TVs, it's you!!!!!!"
posted by Heretic"It's not me who watches teh TVs, it's you!!!!!!"
That was the sarcastic joke, I thought it was quite obvious. I mean I didn't even try to "hide" it. I literally used the equivalent of Fox and OAN on the liberal side.
posted by jmogI don’t watch Fox or OAN. Nice try though.
I count looting, rioting, breaking down private gates, blocking highways, etc as non-peaceful.
Lille I said, the majority are peaceful but if you believe it is 95%+ then you should stop watching MSNBC and Vox.
I think both things can be true.. one of the protests I attended was completely peaceful from 10 am till about 3 pm.. as more and more people came it became more difficult to stay on the sidewalk. Instead of blocking off the street, the cops began to get aggressive with anyone who had a single foot on the sidewalk. To make it worse they were running large clidesdale horses up the sidewalk forcing you onto the street. People were doing their best to stay out of the street and next thing you know here comes the tear gas.. things quickly devolved and I left.. it got worse and then there was a lot of broken windows and some looting. It def isn’t a simple answer. I will say I didn’t see it coming. It was a peaceful uplifting experience before that. I will say there were those in the group who had signs that said police are murderers and were shouting murderers at the police for many hours so I think the police also had enough and wanted to strike back
posted by geeblockI think both things can be true.. one of the protests I attended was completely peaceful from 10 am till about 3 pm.. as more and more people came it became more difficult to stay on the sidewalk. Instead of blocking off the street, the cops began to get aggressive with anyone who had a single foot on the sidewalk. To make it worse they were running large clidesdale horses up the sidewalk forcing you onto the street. People were doing their best to stay out of the street and next thing you know here comes the tear gas.. things quickly devolved and I left.. it got worse and then there was a lot of broken windows and some looting. It def isn’t a simple answer. I will say I didn’t see it coming. It was a peaceful uplifting experience before that. I will say there were those in the group who had signs that said police are murderers and were shouting murderers at the police for many hours so I think the police also had enough and wanted to strike back
*off the sidewalk
We need an edit button lol
posted by geeblock*off the sidewalk
We need an edit button lol
If you'd like to incentive me to get that working sooner rather than later...
posted by jmogThat was the sarcastic joke, I thought it was quite obvious. I mean I didn't even try to "hide" it. I literally used the equivalent of Fox and OAN on the liberal side.
Or maybe stop getting your takes from twitter Videos. “Omg they just knocked down a gate! That’s what 70% of the protestors are doing around the country!”
^thats you
I find it interesting that people want to invalidate the entire blm movement over a few of their extreme members( I know they were the founders). The Republican Party has lots of alt right groups with extreme ideas, however you don’t invalidate that whole party. I hear people say all the time I don’t agree with everything the president says but I still support him, even after he just attacked a private citizen with lies(bubba Wallace) and chastised nascar for banning the confederate flag. Yet we hold blm more accountable than the presi
posted by geeblockI find it interesting that people want to invalidate the entire blm movement over a few of their extreme members( I know they were the founders). The Republican Party has lots of alt right groups with extreme ideas, however you don’t invalidate that whole party. I hear people say all the time I don’t agree with everything the president says but I still support him, even after he just attacked a private citizen with lies(bubba Wallace) and chastised nascar for banning the confederate flag. Yet we hold blm more accountable than the presi
The difference is people freak out if you mention the bad parts of blm and the protests. It isn’t invalidating the movement, it’s pointing out it has problems within it.
posted by geeblockLOL "sure the founders are bigots, but the KKK is really just a social group"I find it interesting that people want to invalidate the entire blm movement over a few of their extreme members( I know they were the founders).
posted by iclfan2The difference is people freak out if you mention the bad parts of blm and the protests. It isn’t invalidating the movement, it’s pointing out it has problems within it.
If the leaders of 'the movement' are Marxists who are trying to overthrow our systems (which incidentally remain the envy of the world), then either fuck the movement, or the movement appoint new leaders.
It's pretty damn simple.
posted by geeblockI find it interesting that people want to invalidate the entire blm movement over a few of their extreme members( I know they were the founders). The Republican Party has lots of alt right groups with extreme ideas, however you don’t invalidate that whole party. I hear people say all the time I don’t agree with everything the president says but I still support him, even after he just attacked a private citizen with lies(bubba Wallace) and chastised nascar for banning the confederate flag. Yet we hold blm more accountable than the presi
It’s their founders and it’s in their mission statement. I am not sure how you can chalk that up to “a few extreme members.” If it is just a “few extreme members,” then they let those few members hijack the entire organization.
I think the movement is much bigger than the “organization” at this point. It’s a very loosely organized movement. Not sure many people know or care what the original members thought at this point. Lucky we have a lot of great people to bring it up and point it out everyday!
We aren’t gonna get anywhere if every time someone brings up making changes in the judicial system someone says. bUt bLaCLIVeS MAttEr arE mArXiSts. Then in a few years we will be right back to more riots and probl