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posted by Spock

Can you site where Fox reported fake news?  Sure they embellish for the conservatives but they dont blatantly lie like CNN.

They were spot on when it came to Clinton foundation scandal, Russiaan collusion with Clinton, the Comey coverup, Steele spying for the DNC etc.....  proven right with what is coming from Barr IG report.

 

At this point, with the Harvard professor getting caught with vials of biological material at the airport awhile back, I am leaning on the side that China is caught.  

Gee, you’d have to go all the way back to last month where they were telling their viewers that covid 19 is a hoax, and a plot to weaken president trump’s reelection campaign. And that their viewers should go out and enjoy their favorite restaurants, beaches, and of course don’t forget to go to church. 
And they did this all while getting direct orders from their executives to wash your hands more than normal and try not to come close to each other, as well as having their work spaces deep cleaned every night by cleaning crews. 

what does the confederate flag have to do with protesting the lockdown? Why does every time a trump flag flies they also fly the confederate flag? 🤷‍♂️

posted by SportsAndLady

Gee, you’d have to go all the way back to last month where they were telling their viewers that covid 19 is a hoax, and a plot to weaken president trump’s reelection campaign. And that their viewers should go out and enjoy their favorite restaurants, beaches, and of course don’t forget to go to church. 
And they did this all while getting direct orders from their executives to wash your hands more than normal and try not to come close to each other, as well as having their work spaces deep cleaned every night by cleaning crews. 

You are describing what many on the left were saying like DeBlasio and Pelosi?

posted by geeblock

what does the confederate flag have to do with protesting the lockdown? Why does every time a trump flag flies they also fly the confederate flag? 🤷‍♂️

You sure there?  Everytime?

I hate when anyone outside of SC flies that thing.  Its pure racism anywhere but there.  Lets not put all the deplorables into the same Rebel flag racism group

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html

posted by justincredible

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html

If CNN is reporting it.......got to be true

posted by Spock

 

You are describing what many on the left were saying like DeBlasio and Pelosi?

Yes many on the left were saying it.  But what does that have to do with Fox News also saying it? I thought there were no examples of fake news at your precious Fox News? 

posted by geeblock

what does the confederate flag have to do with protesting the lockdown? Why does every time a trump flag flies they also fly the confederate flag? 🤷‍♂️

These dumbasses seem to be unaware that they are in a Union state and that the South lost.

posted by Spock

If CNN is reporting it.......got to be true

Now you're in a quandry. CNN is reporting the same thing as Fox.  The ultimate fear of a Foxer. 

posted by Spock

If CNN is reporting it.......got to be true

This was from the article since I know you didn’t read it ....   

Joint Chief of Staff Chairman Mark Milley acknowledged this week that US intelligence is taking "a hard look" at the question of whether the novel coronavirus originated in a lab.

"I would just say, at this point, it's inconclusive although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural (origin).

The people who have been saying from the beginning the virus came from a lab have to feel pretty good when two polarizing media sources report it. 

I still stand by that China didn't purposely infect their own people.  It seems dumb to infect your own people, when you could easily deploy the virus into another country.  With that being said, I would NOT be shocked if it came from a lab.  Is it really that far fetched?  For example, the same country throws Uyghurs into concentration camps and we are trying to act shocked they have a lab that creates fucked up viruses? 

The most likely theory is whether it came from a lab or wet market, China purposely did nothing to prevent the outbreak around the world.  They pulled a good ol "if I am going down, you're coming down with us."  This is why they didn't stop anyone from traveling during Chinese New Year, which is their biggest travel season.  I will never forgive China.  We will look back at this time and say Italy was the first country to signal to the rest of the world this virus was a serious issue. 

posted by like_that

The people who have been saying from the beginning the virus came from a lab have to feel pretty good when two polarizing media sources report it. 

I still stand by that China didn't purposely infect their own people.  It seems dumb to infect your own people, when you could easily deploy the virus into another country.  With that being said, I would NOT be shocked if it came from a lab.  Is it really that far fetched?  For example, the same country throws Uyghurs into concentration camps and we are trying to act shocked they have a lab that creates fucked up viruses? 

The most likely theory is whether it came from a lab or wet market, China purposely did nothing to prevent the outbreak around the world.  They pulled a good ol "if I am going down, you're coming down with us."  This is why they didn't stop anyone from traveling during Chinese New Year, which is their biggest travel season.  I will never forgive China.  We will look back at this time and say Italy was the first country to signal to the rest of the world this virus was a serious issue. 

It doesn't matter how the virus actually got into the general population...the Chinese communist party is guilty in all manners of actions (or nonactions) by covering up, suppressing or lying about it.  

Their action wreak of guilt in the fact that they knew.  I bet it went down like this:

Chinese secret labs with help from bad actors like the Harvard professor was messing around with transmissions of this thing and someone in the lab got it.  It got out in the general population.  Once doctors found out what they were dealing with, they somehow disappeared (there are news reports of missing people).  They spent the month of december and half of January trying their best to keep it hush hush but they did tell the WHO and they ran roadblock for them by perpetuating the lie about it not being human to human.

Then it went global.

posted by geeblock

what does the confederate flag have to do with protesting the lockdown? Why does every time a trump flag flies they also fly the confederate flag? 🤷‍♂️

Based on how some people view it, it makes sense.  Those who still fly the Confederate flag seem to believe that it stood for states' authority over federal authority.

What makes this particular case an extra dose of dumb, even with that view, is that they're protesting at a state building.  Not a federal one.

Also, the flag absolutely stands for the racist motivation for wanting states' autonomy during that war.  Just so we're clear.
 

posted by Spock

If CNN is reporting it.......got to be true

How about getting it straight from the horse's mouth?
 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

These dumbasses seem to be unaware that they are in a Union state and that the South lost.

Don't tell them.  Let it be a surprise.
 

posted by Spock

It doesn't matter how the virus actually got into the general population...the Chinese communist party is guilty in all manners of actions (or nonactions) by covering up, suppressing or lying about it.  

Their action wreak of guilt in the fact that they knew.  I bet it went down like this:

Chinese secret labs with help from bad actors like the Harvard professor was messing around with transmissions of this thing and someone in the lab got it.  It got out in the general population.  Once doctors found out what they were dealing with, they somehow disappeared (there are news reports of missing people).  They spent the month of december and half of January trying their best to keep it hush hush but they did tell the WHO and they ran roadblock for them by perpetuating the lie about it not being human to human.

Then it went global.

That's a shit-ton of speculation, and it stands at odds with what Trump's Joint Chiefs Chairman says above, but I definitely agree that China is guilty for covering it up and allowing it to spread like it has.

posted by like_that

With that being said, I would NOT be shocked if it came from a lab.  Is it really that far fetched? 

China has had a number of containment breaches at other labs with H1N1. The Wuhan lab was widely criticized for lack of proper safety protocols.  So, no, we shouldn't be shocked or surprised if this is true.

And, yes, virologists around the world have been hunting such viruses trying to get ahead of the next pandemic.  Appears in this case that effort may have caused this pandemic.  I suppose after a pandemic costs the world trillions of dollars it might make sense to spend a little more money to find cures for coronaviruses, and even a better vaccine for the flu.

posted by kizer permanente

"I would just say, at this point, it's inconclusive although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural (origin).

Kind of hard to avoid politics here....I wonder if Trump is overstating the intelligence because a Chinese cover-up (which others have indicated more diplomatically) plays into his narrative blaming China and the WHO.  It's why Fox broke the story because the other news outlets probably refused to break something that would benefit Trump.

posted by O-Trap

What makes this particular case an extra dose of dumb, even with that view, is that they're protesting at a state building.  Not a federal one.
 

Well, if we're being honest, I don't know that I've met a single person who reps the Confederate Flag who isn't a total dumbass, so the concept of them confusing state vs. federal is only about 120%.

623 new cases today

New high cases again today  in Ohio. After it looked like we plateaued. 

posted by Ironman92

623 new cases today

Didn't I predict it would peak last Friday at something like 650?  Kind of surprising to see Ohio going up when Dewine more or less led the way on quarantines, at least outside of CA.

I really feel like people have been surprisingly cooperative and patient, but I'm having a tough time seeing that level of compliance for more than another month.  People will not be locked down in the summer.  Just not seeing that.  But I feel like masks and gloves in public might keep the spread contained, especially if you consider places like OH have ~1% active cases, and some speculation as much as 15% of the population has already had this.

So far, almost 20% of deaths have been people in long-term care/nursing homes.  Obviously those people are especially vulnerable, but that's a pretty astounding number.  I'd say that has a huge impact on the mortality rate for elderly with comorbidities - totally rough guess but if you're elderly with comorbidities your mortality rate might only be double the average if you aren't hospitalized or in a home.

posted by gut

But I feel like masks and gloves in public might keep the spread contained, especially if you consider places like OH have ~1% active cases, and some speculation as much as 15% of the population has already had this.

Masks yes, gloves provide no benefit. Gloves spread it around as much or more than your bare hands.

https://wsiltv.com/2020/04/15/medical-expert-dont-wear-gloves-in-public/

Are cases up because tests are up? 

posted by iclfan2

Masks yes, gloves provide no benefit. Gloves spread it around as much or more than your bare hands.

https://wsiltv.com/2020/04/15/medical-expert-dont-wear-gloves-in-public/

That's interesting.  I just got some gloves, and was wondering how that would stop me from contaminating my groceries, and grocery bags, when I shop.

But I think that doctor gives bad advice about not wearing the mask in your car.  I don't think you want people taking their mask off getting in and out of their car in between errands.  Yes, idiots should know better but....idiots.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29038491/dr-anthony-fauci-promotes-single-site-fan-free-return-sports