posted by like_that

You literally said " I don’t know how long Obama gets credit."  

He said how long does Obama get credit. And I tried to answer. My original post simply said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. As usual U guys ignore the point and start nit picking gblock, and change what I said. If u have a retort to what I said make it. I’m not going to get into a big discussion on how long Obama gets credit. 

posted by geeblock

He said how long does Obama get credit. My original post simply said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. As usual U guys ignore the point and start nit picking gblock. If u have a retort to what I said make it. I’m not going to get into a big discussion on how long Obama gets credit. 

LOL, he sarcastically and rhetorically asked "how long does Obama get credit for Trump's economy" to which you responded "I don't know how long he gets credit".

You can't backpedal out of what your words literally said.

posted by geeblock

I really wast trying to give anyone “credit” I said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. And that I’m happy about it. I just did about 15 quick minutes of google and that appears accurate?

1.6% GDP growth is not a strong economy, that is what was inherited (2017). Since then it has been 2.2% and 2.9%. We all know that Obama said that 1% GDP growth was the "new normal" but that has never been the truth. 

AVERAGE since 1929 has been 3.22%, that includes all recessions in there. The "normal" during a recovery from a recession has been 4-10% per year. The recovery during the Obama years never even topped 3%. It was the worst "recovery" in the history of the US statistically.

posted by geeblock

He said how long does Obama get credit. And I tried to answer. My original post simply said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. As usual U guys ignore the point and start nit picking gblock, and change what I said. If u have a retort to what I said make it. I’m not going to get into a big discussion on how long Obama gets credit. 

GOD FORBID people actually take your words for what they actually mean.  

posted by jmog

1.6% GDP growth is not a strong economy, that is what was inherited (2017). Since then it has been 2.2% and 2.9%. We all know that Obama said that 1% GDP growth was the "new normal" but that has never been the truth. 

 

AVERAGE since 1929 has been 3.22%, that includes all recessions in there. The "normal" during a recovery from a recession has been 4-10% per year. The recovery during the Obama years never even topped 3%. It was the worst "recovery" in the history of the US statistically.

I’m assuming 2105-2016 were lower than 1.6?

posted by geeblock

I’m assuming 2105-2016 were lower than 1.6?

No, they were higher, and since the GDP was slowing down heading into 2018 the economists thought we were heading into another recession. 

You can't deny that the GDP was slowing down near the end of Obama's term and has taken back off.

2015-2.9%

2016-1.6%

2017-2.2%

2018-2.9%

Math doesn't lie, economy was slowing down and has picked back up right around beginning of 2017...wonder what changed? Tax cuts and tariffs 

That’s good data I appreciate the discussion. It’s not a strong area for me. This fits with most things I’ve read and is in line with what I was trying to say and more accurately

posted by geeblock

That’s good data I appreciate the discussion. It’s not a strong area for me. This fits with most things I’ve read and is in line with what I was trying to say and more accurately

How does that data fit in line with "it was heading in the right direction under Obama and Trump just hasn't done anything to screw it up"?

It says almost the exact opposite as what you said.

Things go up and down there are lots of ways to look at the economy. Using your data of gdp. 2015:2.9, 2019:2.9. No drastic changes. We are basically right where we were. If the gdp goes down this year I’m sure you won’t call trump a failure, and if it goes back up I’m not sure he can be called a genius.  He is doing a fine job with the economy but it’s not staggering by any measure. I hope it continues this path 

How much positive influence are we saying the president actually has on the economy, outside the removal of negative policy?

Am I in the wrong room?

posted by O-Trap

How much positive influence are we saying the president actually has on the economy, outside the removal of negative policy?

Am I in the wrong room?

The best and most effective thing a POTUS can do for the economy is stay the fuck away from it and let the free market do its thing.  As you mentioned, this includes removing the handcuffs. 

posted by geeblock

A simple look at the hard data shows a steady line of improvement in all areas last time I looked. I haven’t seen anything major he’s done or drastic jumps in any areas creating major shifts. He mostly golfs, attends campaign rallies, watches tv and is on Twitter for the most part. He did give corporations a major tax break, but I don’t see manufacturing jobs ever coming back to the us when they can pay people 1$ an hour in another country. He has cut a lot of regulations which is never a bad thing usually. I don’t know how long Obama gets credit but I feel comfortable now saying things are staying right on track with where they were headed. The economy isn’t my strong area and I haven’t looked at the data in a while so it’s possible I’m incorrect. If he gets re-elected and we keep this up I will give him the credit. If he actually did something with healthcare I would be more inclined to say he had a good presidency. For the most part he seems to have spent his political capital undoing Obama legislation just to say I told you so 

You obviously spent no time looking at manufacturing employment numbers.

Under obama, about all we can say is we survived, barely.  It was American business that gutted it out for 8 years despite every Marxist style assault thrown our way by the radical obama administration.  Now that we have a pro-growth president and administration, business is not under threat every time we clock in in the morning.

Some people just have no idea how bad and antagonistic those 8 years were to businesses just trying make a widget, meet a payroll, and survive. Or for those innocent Americans targeted by that regime and subjected to the weaponization of multiple federal bureaucracies.

posted by O-Trap

How much positive influence are we saying the president actually has on the economy, outside the removal of negative policy?

Am I in the wrong room?

I believe the POTUS has little to do with the economy myself, just pointing out the hypocrisy of those that blamed Bush for the economy problems for 8 years and now want to give props to the current economy to Obama.

I believe Congress actually has more to do with the economy than the POTUS since they control the purse strings and create the laws. The POTUS stated policy obviously can affect the economy if/when he convinces Congress to pass laws/a budget inline with the POTUS's policies.

posted by geeblock

Things go up and down there are lots of ways to look at the economy. Using your data of gdp. 2015:2.9, 2019:2.9. No drastic changes. We are basically right where we were. If the gdp goes down this year I’m sure you won’t call trump a failure, and if it goes back up I’m not sure he can be called a genius.  He is doing a fine job with the economy but it’s not staggering by any measure. I hope it continues this path 

Oh good lord geeblock, you just gerrymandered the data given to you.

posted by like_that

The best and most effective thing a POTUS can do for the economy is stay the fuck away from it and let the free market do its thing.  As you mentioned, this includes removing the handcuffs. 

Exactly.

posted by jmog

I believe the POTUS has little to do with the economy myself, just pointing out the hypocrisy of those that blamed Bush for the economy problems for 8 years and now want to give props to the current economy to Obama.

 

I believe Congress actually has more to do with the economy than the POTUS since they control the purse strings and create the laws. The POTUS stated policy obviously can affect the economy if/when he convinces Congress to pass laws/a budget inline with the POTUS's policies.

The real problem is that congress delegates massive rule-making power to faceless federal bureaucracies that can destroy businesses and individuals.  Yeah, congress can pass a tax cut and that is great for the economy, but they also let federal agencies run amok, and if you don’t have a president putting in capitalists to run those agencies, look out.  It is shocking that these agencies have more direct power over business than even congress. Having a president that gets them off our backs is EXTREMELEY important.

posted by like_that

The best and most effective thing a POTUS can do for the economy is stay the fuck away from it and let the free market do its thing.  As you mentioned, this includes removing the handcuffs. 

I tend to agree, which is why I thought the mention of the tariffs was an odd addition to the cause for a positive swing in the economy.  Frankly, the the tax cuts, as they are, were more an attempt to duct tape than to outrightly repeal, as well, but at least conceptually, tax cuts are an example of removing governmental manipulation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/erickfernandez/status/1151943048101814273

say it with your chest 

posted by geeblock

https://mobile.twitter.com/erickfernandez/status/1151943048101814273

say it with your chest 

The chant was bad, but I missed your posts about her anti-semitism and sympathizing with terrorists. There is good reason people have a problem with her.

posted by geeblock

https://mobile.twitter.com/erickfernandez/status/1151943048101814273

say it with your chest 

Can you find any commentary he has about how she is 100% anti American?

The only group treated almost as bad as blacks especially in the south are Jews. You can’t convince me that the people of North Carolina are that concerned with Jews. This is just using the Jews as an opportunity to get the dems. Period 

posted by iclfan2

The chant was bad, but I missed your posts about her anti-semitism and sympathizing with terrorists. There is good reason people have a problem with her.

You should have stopped at the chant was bad 

posted by geeblock

The only group treated almost as bad as blacks especially in the south are Jews. You can’t convince me that the people of North Carolina are that concerned with Jews. This is just using the Jews as an opportunity to get the dems. Period 

What in the fuck are you talking about. This is why people call you a dipshit on here. Not giving a shit about Jews, is much different than actively disliking Jews and laughing about Al-Qaeda. 

I live in the South and in my city the Jews have a large presence and aren’t treated any differently than anyone else. Funny you think blacks are treated worse in the south too, which makes absolutely no sense. 

posted by iclfan2

What in the fuck are you talking about. This is why people call you a dipshit on here. Not giving a shit about Jews, is much different than actively disliking Jews and laughing about Al-Qaeda. 

I live in the South and in my city the Jews have a large presence and aren’t treated any differently than anyone else. Funny you think blacks are treated worse in the south too, which makes absolutely no sense. 

You think blacks aren’t treated worse in the south? The top two hated groups by racist groups are blacks and Jews 

posted by geeblock

The top two hated groups by racist groups are blacks and Jews 

Yes, and there are literally tens of thousands of people belonging to those hate groups....in a country with 360 MILLION people. 

Heck, they're even outnumbered by transgenders.