Disgusted by the Trump administration part II

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gut

Senior Member

Wed, Dec 6, 2017 4:10 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/363555-obama-warns-of-complacency-notes-rise-of-hitler

What is most terrifying about Trump's rise is that, for America's first brush with an Authoritarian, he is a fucking idiot and we are still struggling to contain him.

I think the most terrifying thing is how many people believe Trump, Clinton and Obama aren't all cut from the same cloth - all a complete disgrace to leadership, transparency and honesty.

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Dec 6, 2017 4:17 PM
posted by iclfan2

Ehh, I think it's kind of tacky for the former president to be publically bashing the current one, especially so soon. Didn't see GW doing it to Obama, even after 8 years.

 

Holy crap warning Americans about to be concerned about Hitler with respect to the POTUS?!?!?  Holy shit.

majorspark

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 7, 2017 12:39 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

 

Peace is a pipe dream for everyone as long as Hamas is a thing and has any sort of control, which they do. 

It's not Hamas.  It's Iran and they have their proxy on the northern front Hezzbollah.  It's why the Sauidi response is nothing more than lip service.  They are of no fan of the Iranians who are attempting to gain a foothold on the Arabian peninsula.  Hamas is a proxy of Iran on the southern front. 

Ditto Egypt they just had these shitbags blow up a mosque killing over 300.  The leadership of Egypt and Jordan have long since accepted reality and are tired of the violence and made peace.  Iran and Syria not so.  Both an Egyptian and Isreali leader were assassinated for their attempts to achieve peace.

majorspark

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 7, 2017 1:57 AM
posted by Commander of Awesome

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/363555-obama-warns-of-complacency-notes-rise-of-hitler

What is most terrifying about Trump's rise is that, for America's first brush with an Authoritarian, he is a fucking idiot and we are still struggling to contain him.

This is not Americas first brush with an authoritarian not in a long shot.  Though I may disagree with some of the judicial overreach and believe some to be unconstitutional its good to see the founders design of the three coequel branches of the federal government ramming horns.  A single member of the judicial branch in Hawaii halted an order of the POTUS.  And the executive complied and appealed to higher levels of the judicial branch.  They won and had they lost they would have accepted the ruling of the SCOTUS. That does not happen in an authoritarian regime.

I'll add this the POTUS as a coequel member of the federal goverment is fully empowered by the constitution to reject a ruling of the judical branch on its unconstitutionality and the judicial branch has no power to do anything about it (I know this died with Marbury v Madison).  Only the legisative branch holds the authority to remove another branches member from office.

Sleep easy barring any Russian meddling you will be in better spirits a year from now.  

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 7, 2017 12:16 PM

"A senior Justice Department official was demoted this week amid an ongoing investigation into his contacts with the opposition research firm responsible for the anti-Trump “dossier,” Fox News is told."

 

 

 

Imagine that 


 

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Thu, Dec 7, 2017 1:03 PM
posted by QuakerOats

"A senior Justice Department official was demoted this week amid an ongoing investigation into his contacts with the opposition research firm responsible for the anti-Trump “dossier,” Fox News is told."

 

 

 

Imagine that 


 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/07/top-doj-official-demoted-amid-probe-contacts-with-trump-dossier-firm.html

Here is the link, which come on, you know, to provide. 

In relation to the story: Deep State! 
 

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 7, 2017 3:32 PM

I agree with Jim Jordan ----------  Strzok was the one who assembled the dossier bullshit for presentation to FISA

 

 

Major problems ahead for FBI and DoJ

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Fri, Dec 8, 2017 10:42 AM
posted by superman

Says the man who used the IRS to attack his political opponents.   

And the guy who hates guns (the irony of OMG hitler, embraced divide/conquer, abused executive powers, etc you can go all day long.

 

Obama and Trump in many instances are one in the same.  The only difference is Obama is more graceful (i.e. attacking media) and he has more fan boys/girls. I still have Obama fan boys telling me that was a top 5 president of all time.  LOL.

 

Edit:  This is also coming from the party who embraces FDR as their poster child.  Pick up a history book and try to tell me what Trump is doing now is worse than a lot of the shit FDR pulled off or tried to pull off.

gut

Senior Member

Fri, Dec 8, 2017 11:09 AM
posted by like_that

I still have Obama fan boys telling me that was a top 5 president of all time.  LOL.

Yeah, like how he "saved" us from another Great Depression, even though the recession was on its way to ending by the time he was sworn in (it was over less than 6 months after he took office, so it's unlikely he did much of anything that wasn't already happening).

And then 8 years of being told "it's the new normal" and other falsehoods like "recovery after financial recessions are always slower and longer" as excuses for a weak economy.....Trump gets in and markets and economy respond very positively (as many predicted would if you got someone pro-growth in there)....and people want to give Obama the credit for that, too, despite it pretty clearly being the case that his subpar economy had A LOT to do with his policies.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Dec 8, 2017 11:37 AM

Precisely.  When central planners attempt to 'manage' a free market capitalist economy using marxist policies, you are in for trouble.  Had this been any other country its economy would not have survived, and the term 'new normal' would have been immortalized forever.  Thankfully, we had just enough resilience to squeak by, and now having been blessed by God with the right election outcome, have a chance to get back on track.  Incredible how close we were to going over the cliff.  But the fight will never be over. 

gut

Senior Member

Fri, Dec 8, 2017 1:06 PM
posted by QuakerOats

  Incredible how close we were to going over the cliff.  But the fight will never be over. 

The bottom can still fall out quickly and severely if Republicans don't start moving the agenda thru Congress.

I'm also very concerned that much of the "growth" or "recovery" is more unstable than the Bush economy.  Basically that fiscal policy on steroids - more temp jobs, more low-quality jobs, an economy artificially juiced by absurdly easy money....I am not remotely optimistic that the next recession won't be worse than the last, not unless we get this economy onto firmer ground.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Dec 8, 2017 1:51 PM

No doubt, a long way to go yet.  But with total household wealth up to $96 trillion, after hitting $56 trillion in the recession, there is some backing.

Commander of Awesome

Senior Pwner

Tue, Dec 12, 2017 12:48 PM

Right up Sleeper's alley:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/grandparents-raiding-grandchildren/548117/?utm_source=feed

 

"The wealthiest, highest-income age cohort also is now those Boomers nearing retirement. The second wealthiest? Those already in retirement.

Who’s not doing well in the current economy? Younger Americans. (This is even more true for children: The poverty rate amongst children in America has now risen above 20 percent.) And they’re being asked to cover a heavier and heavier burden for the old: When Social Security was launched, there were 42 workers paying Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes for each individual retiree. Today, that ratio has fallen to just under three-to-one, and will fall again as the Boomers retire. Every young couple today can expect to foot the bill for a Boomer’s retirement—not counting, of course, their own parents."

superman

Senior Member

Tue, Dec 12, 2017 5:27 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

Right up Sleeper's alley:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/grandparents-raiding-grandchildren/548117/?utm_source=feed

 

"The wealthiest, highest-income age cohort also is now those Boomers nearing retirement. The second wealthiest? Those already in retirement.

Who’s not doing well in the current economy? Younger Americans. (This is even more true for children: The poverty rate amongst children in America has now risen above 20 percent.) And they’re being asked to cover a heavier and heavier burden for the old: When Social Security was launched, there were 42 workers paying Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes for each individual retiree. Today, that ratio has fallen to just under three-to-one, and will fall again as the Boomers retire. Every young couple today can expect to foot the bill for a Boomer’s retirement—not counting, of course, their own parents."

Obama spent 8 years digging the hole.  We can't expect to get out of it in 8 months. 

gut

Senior Member

Thu, Jan 4, 2018 4:30 PM
posted by justincredible

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367384-sessions-will-end-policy-that-allowed-marijuana-to-prosper-report#.Wk4_dMS3YW8.facebook

Sessions is a turd. This is one of my biggest peeves with Republicans. They LOVE state's rights. Except when they don't. Absolutely no consistency.

It's almost like Sessions and Trump sat down and said "ok, after the tax bill screwed those big liberal states, what else can we do to piss them off?"

superman

Senior Member

Thu, Jan 4, 2018 4:46 PM
posted by justincredible

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367384-sessions-will-end-policy-that-allowed-marijuana-to-prosper-report#.Wk4_dMS3YW8.facebook

Sessions is a turd. This is one of my biggest peeves with Republicans. They LOVE state's rights. Except when they don't. Absolutely no consistency.

I think that if the federal government allows something and states say "We don't want that here." That is okay.  That is a state's rights issue.  

When the federal government outlaws something,  states don't have the right to say "Oh no, it's totally okay here."

That being said,  I think weed should be legal.   If Idiots like Ted Lieu would work in  Congress to repeal the federal ban,  instead of trying to lead the Twitter resistance, it would be legal.   

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

Thu, Jan 4, 2018 5:32 PM
posted by justincredible

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367384-sessions-will-end-policy-that-allowed-marijuana-to-prosper-report#.Wk4_dMS3YW8.facebook

Sessions is a turd. This is one of my biggest peeves with Republicans. They LOVE state's rights. Except when they don't. Absolutely no consistency.

It's one of the main reasons (and legistlation via the bible) why a lot of people stopped supporting the party.  

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Thu, Jan 4, 2018 5:42 PM
posted by justincredible

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367384-sessions-will-end-policy-that-allowed-marijuana-to-prosper-report#.Wk4_dMS3YW8.facebook

Sessions is a turd. This is one of my biggest peeves with Republicans. They LOVE state's rights. Except when they don't. Absolutely no consistency.

The obsession with marijuana being a "bad" drug is mind boggeling.  I don't smoke weed - never much cared for it.  But to worry about it like this is unbelievable.  Why weed and not alcohol - arguably a much more dangerous mind altering drug?

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Thu, Jan 4, 2018 6:49 PM
posted by superman

I think that if the federal government allows something and states say "We don't want that here." That is okay.  That is a state's rights issue.  

When the federal government outlaws something,  states don't have the right to say "Oh no, it's totally okay here."

That being said,  I think weed should be legal.   If Idiots like Ted Lieu would work in  Congress to repeal the federal ban,  instead of trying to lead the Twitter resistance, it would be legal.   

The Feds have abused the "commerce clause" far beyond the framers intent and it should absolutely be ignored by the states. It wasn't meant as a justification to regulate every goddamn thing in existence.

BoatShoes

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 5, 2018 2:15 AM
posted by justincredible

The Feds have abused the "commerce clause" far beyond the framers intent and it should absolutely be ignored by the states. It wasn't meant as a justification to regulate every goddamn thing in existence.

I disagree that the Feds have legislated beyond the scope of the broad power to regulate interstate commerce intended by the founders. James Madison himself signed into law the Second bank of the United States in 1816 for the purpose of regulating credit nationwide. Other Founding Fathers determined this was a necessary and proper method of executing Congress’ expressed powers in McCulloch v. Maryland. 

Indeed the acceptance of the Federalist position on federal power by Madison essentially decimated the Federalist Party’s need to exist. 

 

So so the point is following the example of Madison himself Congress has the power to regulate weed if it affects interstate commerce but that doesn’t mean they SHOULD or MUST. 

 

The state by state approach to marijuana legalization seems to be a good example where the Feds should take a step back. 

Con_Alma

Senior Member

Fri, Jan 5, 2018 9:38 AM
posted by justincredible

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367384-sessions-will-end-policy-that-allowed-marijuana-to-prosper-report#.Wk4_dMS3YW8.facebook

Sessions is a turd. This is one of my biggest peeves with Republicans. They LOVE state's rights. Except when they don't. Absolutely no consistency.

Are you sure it's Sessions that you should be upset with?

 

"...Sessions has a point, or a piece of a point, when he argues that the Obama-era memos did not merely clarify DOJ practices but in effect changed federal law over the heads of Congress. It would be better if Congress changed federal law to better accommodate states in which marijuana is legal; it would be even better if Congress did not have to do so, the federal jurisdiction being confined to its proper role in these matters, which is interstate and international. John Paul Stevens will forgive me for suggesting that the Supreme Court erred in its decision in Gonzales v. Raich, which enshrined the federal power to regulate marijuana consumption within the borders of a single state under its interstate commerce powers, a nonsensical conclusion but one not entirely inconsistent with precedent regarding the interstate-commerce clause, the elasticity of which apparently is infinite. ..."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455170/jeff-sessions-marijuana-legalization-solution