posted by gut

Well, that was a nice fantasy until Trump just came out and said he mispoke.  I don't believe him, but that's what he said.  But he does that all the time - says something one day, then denies/walks it back/clarifies the next day.

Him saying he simply misspoke is about as comically implausible as anything I've ever heard.

1. Says one thing in front of Putin.

2. Gets lambasted, even by hardline Rs like Gingrich and his BFFs on Fox and Friends, with only his most devout knob-slobbers like Hannity, Carlson and CC backing him up

3. Comes up with "dog ate my homework" level excuse after realizing no one outside his most hardcore base is on his side on this one.

posted by Heretic

Him saying he simply misspoke is about as comically implausible as anything I've ever heard.

I mean, it wouldn't be - Pelosi does it on a daily basis - it's just that he said it about 3 different ways, which isn't changed by a singular mispoken word.

He's truly a cretin.  I think, in his mind, that was another good opportunity to take a swipe at Mueller and the "fake news" and he stepped in it because he's completely oblivious to the context of the moment.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

As I stated, I am not a Hillary supporter.  She is an ethically challenged hypocrite.  If they broke laws (I say "if" because the presumption of innocence within our legal system - she hasn't been brought to trial), she and whomever cooperated should be held accountable.  Those things have nothing to do with Trump's situation.  He is being investigated by the special counsel and he his the president currently in office.  Those things make his situation higher profile than anything else.  If he is guilty of something, I think that will be found out. But if he is not, he should defend himself based upon facts, not griping about Hillary's case, Obama's incompetence, "fake news", etc.  

 

Guilty or not, he let  Putin dominate him like a grizzly bear in mating season.  

He let Putin dominate him? Link?  

posted by Spock

He let Putin dominate him? Link?  

“They said they think it’s Russia,” Mr. Trump said. “I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia,” the president continued, only moments after Mr. Putin conceded that he had wanted Mr. Trump to win the election because of his promises of warmer relations with Moscow.

“I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be” Russia that was responsible for the election hacking, Mr. Trump added. “President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

If you are the lead statesman from one country who is meeting with a counterpart from another, and that other country has been condemned by your intelligence leadership, and yet your side with the other statesman because he was "strong and powerful" in his denial - that is being dominated in a summit meeting.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

“They said they think it’s Russia,” Mr. Trump said. “I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia,” the president continued, only moments after Mr. Putin conceded that he had wanted Mr. Trump to win the election because of his promises of warmer relations with Moscow.

“I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be” Russia that was responsible for the election hacking, Mr. Trump added. “President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

If you are the lead statesman from one country who is meeting with a counterpart from another, and that other country has been condemned by your intelligence leadership, and yet your side with the other statesman because he was "strong and powerful" in his denial - that is being dominated in a summit meeting.  

Come on...."they say they think".....boy that is a concrete statement.  We have not seen one shred of evidence on who hacked the server of HC.  

posted by Spock

Come on...."they say they think".....boy that is a concrete statement.  We have not seen one shred of evidence on who hacked the server of HC.  

"They say they think" isn't the statement from the intelligence chiefs, Trump.  That's his spin on what they have said.  

The Russian issue does not pertain to Hillary's server specifically, I don't think.  I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up in this discussion.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

"They say they think" isn't the statement from the intelligence chiefs, Trump.  That's his spin on what they have said.  

The Russian issue does not pertain to Hillary's server specifically, I don't think.  I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up in this discussion.  

Jesus F'ing Christ.....some of you are just plain ignorant.

THE WHOLE RUSSIA COLLUSION STARTED WITH HC EMAIL SCANDAL.  Lets go slow here:

1.  On the campaign trail, HC was caught with her on server.

2.  When the government went in to get the server and other devises, they were destroyed or they disappeared.  What was recovered uncovered the rigged DNC toward HC.

3.  Trump opens his big mouth and said "Hey Russia, can you find her missing emails?"  THis is where the RUSSIA thing was born.  

4.  The dems knew they were in trouble because they knew that HC broke all kinds of laws and they tried to cover it up, they also knew that WIkileaks and other foreign governements hacked her server (likely China and Russia).

5.  To cover it up they started phony intelligence against Trump colluding with Russia (insert Christopher Steele and the golden shower stories).

6.  THe fake dossier was then passed along through Clinton cronies to the FBI/CIA/anyone that would listen to deflect from HC onto Trump.

If I am wrong please insert anywhere along that timeline.  

Have you considered applying for the FBI? 

posted by Spock

Jesus F'ing Christ.....some of you are just plain ignorant.

THE WHOLE RUSSIA COLLUSION STARTED WITH HC EMAIL SCANDAL.  Lets go slow here:

1.  On the campaign trail, HC was caught with her on server.

2.  When the government went in to get the server and other devises, they were destroyed or they disappeared.  What was recovered uncovered the rigged DNC toward HC.

3.  Trump opens his big mouth and said "Hey Russia, can you find her missing emails?"  THis is where the RUSSIA thing was born.  

4.  The dems knew they were in trouble because they knew that HC broke all kinds of laws and they tried to cover it up, they also knew that WIkileaks and other foreign governements hacked her server (likely China and Russia).

5.  To cover it up they started phony intelligence against Trump colluding with Russia (insert Christopher Steele and the golden shower stories).

6.  THe fake dossier was then passed along through Clinton cronies to the FBI/CIA/anyone that would listen to deflect from HC onto Trump.

If I am wrong please insert anywhere along that timeline.  

You are missing a few things. 

1. HC servers were not compromised, per the intelligence community. The Russians attempted, but as far as is in the unclassified realm, they were not successful. 

2. From the Indictments from last week we learned it was Russians and the Guccifer 2.0 that hacked the DNC servers as well as Clinton's campaign staff. Those are the leaked emails that found their way to Wikileaks. We also learned that someone associated with Trump was in contact with Guccifer and Wikileaks (That's assumed to be Roger Stone, but we shall wait to see)

3. The hack was by the Russian Government to a U.S. Political party and members of a campaign staff. 

4. Sure, this all started with HC emails, but the hack itself was more targeted at the DNC and Clinton's staff. 

5. Given those facts, your narrative falls apart. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

You are missing a few things. 

1. HC servers were not compromised, per the intelligence community. The Russians attempted, but as far as is in the unclassified realm, they were not successful. 

2. From the Indictments from last week we learned it was Russians and the Guccifer 2.0 that hacked the DNC servers as well as Clinton's campaign staff. Those are the leaked emails that found their way to Wikileaks. We also learned that someone associated with Trump was in contact with Guccifer and Wikileaks (That's assumed to be Roger Stone, but we shall wait to see)

3. The hack was by the Russian Government to a U.S. Political party and members of a campaign staff. 

4. Sure, this all started with HC emails, but the hack itself was more targeted at the DNC and Clinton's staff. 

5. Given those facts, your narrative falls apart. 

1.  Not compromised.......you better double check that.  For one, the server was never turned over.  It was destroyed (felony).....why?  Likely would have been found to be hacked.  You dont get to break federal laws and then write the narrative.  Sorry, most people are going to believe that it wasnt hacked.

2.  Guccifer was a part of this......but he isnt Russian.  Did he sell of or give stuff to Russians...maybe.  LIkely sold it off to the highest bidder.

3.  Link?

4.  We agree...this whole thing all the way to the Mueller investigation was due to HC email scandal.  

5.  My narrative is pretty solid.  

posted by Spock

1.  Not compromised.......you better double check that.  For one, the server was never turned over.  It was destroyed (felony).....why?  Likely would have been found to be hacked.  You dont get to break federal laws and then write the narrative.  Sorry, most people are going to believe that it wasnt hacked.

2.  Guccifer was a part of this......but he isnt Russian.  Did he sell of or give stuff to Russians...maybe.  LIkely sold it off to the highest bidder.

3.  Link?

4.  We agree...this whole thing all the way to the Mueller investigation was due to HC email scandal.  

5.  My narrative is pretty solid.  

1. I said in the open setting, unclassified setting, the IC and FBI has said it was not comprised, so long as they know. (If it was, it is not known to the public as of yet). Also, if it was a felony, the FBI disagrees with you. 

2. Guccifer was Russian or at least working with Russia directly, per the Indictment last week. 

3. Link: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download 

4. Well, yes that set the whole thing off. But really Mueller was appointed because Trump fired Comey. 

5. Uhh, sure if you like tinfoil hats. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

1. I said in the open setting, unclassified setting, the IC and FBI has said it was not comprised, so long as they know. (If it was, it is not known to the public as of yet)

2. Guccifer was Russian or at least working with Russia directly, per the Indictment last week. 

3. Link: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download 

4. Well, yes that set the whole thing off. But really Mueller was appointed because Trump fired Comey. 

5. Uhh, sure if you like tinfoil hats. 

1. LOLOLOLOOLOOLOLLOOOLKO*I&UYTYUJKIKJ----YOU ARE GOING TO BELIEVE THE FBI???  You are in the minority.

2. Still makes the point that HC was hacked.  Arguing semantics on who it was

3.  Anyone would have fired him.  He is a crooked stick (just like many others still there)

4.  You dont wear a tinfoil hat when you have evidence that is true

This is amazing.

posted by Automatik

This is amazing.

What is amazing is that Clintons server was never turned over......the primary piece of evidence in the whole turdstorm......never looked at.

posted by Spock

1. LOLOLOLOOLOOLOLLOOOLKO*I&UYTYUJKIKJ----YOU ARE GOING TO BELIEVE THE FBI???  You are in the minority.

2. Still makes the point that HC was hacked.  Arguing semantics on who it was

3.  Anyone would have fired him.  He is a crooked stick (just like many others still there)

4.  You dont wear a tinfoil hat when you have evidence that is true

Says everyone that wears a tinfoil hat. LOL 

FBI against trump, CC: you’re going to believe the FBI?!?

FBI for trump, CC: you’re not going to believe the FBI?!?

Another CC Went Full Retard day, I see.

posted by Heretic

Another CC Went Full Retard day, I see.

Not really....everything I posted is fact.  How is that full tard?

Link?

posted by Spock

Not really....everything I posted is fact.  How is that full tard?

While deepthroating Trump, too! Impressive. 

The question I keep seeing being asked is "do you trust our intelligence agencies or the Russians?". No, no I don't.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

1. I said in the open setting, unclassified setting, the IC and FBI has said it was not comprised, so long as they know. (If it was, it is not known to the public as of yet). Also, if it was a felony, the FBI disagrees with you. 

If you or I had a server in our house where we stored emails with classified documents, what would happen to us? And if congress issued a subpoena either for those emails or the server and they were somehow destroyed, what would happen to us? 

posted by FatHobbit

If you or I had a server in our house where we stored emails with classified documents, what would happen to us? And if congress issued a subpoena either for those emails or the server and they were somehow destroyed, what would happen to us? 

I know at a bare minimum I would be terminated from my job.  There already is a precedent for this and a man went to jail.  

It's hilarious how ptown downplays this.  The FBI (comey) even agreed that Hillary broke the law, however they (comey) pulled "intent" out of his ass to exonerate her.  So no Ptown, the FBI does not disagree. 

posted by like_that

I know at a bare minimum I would be terminated from my job.  There already is a precedent for this and a man went to jail.  

It's hilarious how ptown downplays this.  The FBI (comey) even agreed that Hillary broke the law, however they (comey) pulled "intent" out of his ass to exonerate her.  So no Ptown, the FBI does not disagree. 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/us-navy-sailor-jailed-for-taking-photos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine

This is what happens when someone who is not Clinton doesn't handle classified information properly. 

I'm not defending HC, there is no defense. I was just saying factually, the FBI did not move to prosecute. Whether they should have or not is a different discussion. 

My point was as far as we know, the main Russian hack was the DNC and the campaign staff, not HC's server.