Browns BS Drama
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like_that
He has also been regarded as one of the best run blocking tackles in the league the past 10 years. That's why we have "blown it out of proportion." Your claims regarding his run blocking are unsubstantial.BR1986FB;1883912 wrote:Garrett has been "good" but I'm not slobbering all over his play, like others. Shit, if he ends up being even as good as Michael Dean Perry I'll be happy with the pick.
As far as JT goes, you guys are the ones who have blown this out of proportion. My opinion is that he's not all that great of a run blocker and if you need a "road grader" to grind out a 2-3 yard run on 3rd down he's not one of the top run blockers I'd want in that situation. The guys pass blocking is impeccable though. I have no beefs with that and he's been the best in the business at that. He's a first ballot HOFer, no doubt. I just don't like his run blocking skills. Queue the PFF pimps in 1.....2......3......
On a side note, as good as JT is a player, he definitely has a future in either media or a front office someone. The guys personality is very intelligent/funny.
As for Garrett, nobody is slobbering over him. We are pleased to see where he is heading into his 7th game after missing time due to injury (not to mention an entire training camp and preseason). So far Garrett has pro bowl potential and the experts (including the best tackle the last 20-30 years) agree. Last week you said haven't been impressed. I am trying to figure out what is impressive for you. Bosa? He is so far on track to having the same season as Bosa. So far it seems like Myles has to be Lawerence Taylor or Reggie White by the 7th game of his career for you to be happy with our rookie first overall pick. -
BR1986FB
As far as Garrett goes, for a guy to jump out at me I have to notice him on the field. That's not the case with Garrett. He may make a play a game but that's about all I hear his name called. When he's referred to as "great" after 6 games, maybe "slobbering" may not be the right term as much as "fawning over."like_that;1883914 wrote:He has also been regarded as one of the best run blocking tackles in the league the past 10 years. That's why we have "blown it out of proportion." Your claims regarding his run blocking are unsubstantial.
As for Garrett, nobody is slobbering over him. We are pleased to see where he is heading into his 7th game after missing time due to injury (not to mention an entire training camp and preseason). So far Garrett has pro bowl potential and the experts (including the best tackle the last 20-30 years) agree. Last week you said haven't been impressed. I am trying to figure out what is impressive for you. Bosa? He is so far on track to having the same season as Bosa. So far it seems like Myles has to be Lawerence Taylor or Reggie White by the 7th game of his career for you to be happy with our rookie first overall pick. -
Commander of Awesome
BR, Myles is also 21 fucking years old. Sorry he doesn't live up to your asinine "had to play in the 80s and stand out in SD TV" standard but he's a stud.
Moving on, would lol to the SB with this draft.
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/11/29/2018-nfl-mock-draft-updated-4-round-projections-after-week-12/amp/ -
SportsAndLady
My favorite QB of the draft, and one of my favorite defenders of the draft (Minkah)..sign me up.Commander of Awesome;1883924 wrote:BR, Myles is also 21 fucking years old. Sorry he doesn't live up to your asinine "had to play in the 80s and stand out in SD TV" standard but he's a stud.
Moving on, would lol to the SB with this draft.
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/11/29/2018-nfl-mock-draft-updated-4-round-projections-after-week-12/amp/
*hoping minkah stands out on the field to pass BR’s eye test* -
Commander of Awesome
lol'dSportsAndLady;1883927 wrote:My favorite QB of the draft, and one of my favorite defenders of the draft (Minkah)..sign me up.
*hoping minkah stands out on the field to pass BR’s eye test* -
vball10set
lol--of course he isSportsAndLady;1883927 wrote:My favorite QB of the draft... -
BR1986FB
No issue with Minkah there. It's the selection at #1 I have a problem with.SportsAndLady;1883927 wrote:My favorite QB of the draft, and one of my favorite defenders of the draft (Minkah)..sign me up.
*hoping minkah stands out on the field to pass BR’s eye test* -
like_that
Who do you want at #1? What’s your beef with Rosen?BR1986FB;1883992 wrote:No issue with Minkah there. It's the selection at #1 I have a problem with. -
SportsAndLady
Lol I know right? Rosen is a meanie. I’d much rather stick with kizer, he’s a Toledo kid...aaaaand that’s about all the positive attributes of kizer.vball10set;1883990 wrote:lol--of course he is -
BR1986FB
Haven't decided yet but I'm not impressed with any of these QB's, so far. Also have no issue with the Minkah kid at the spot he was taken but they are also going to need to replace JT, at some point. I doubt we'll be seeing him play another down. And I'm not saying "take a LT instead of Minkah" before it's implied.like_that;1883994 wrote:Who do you want at #1? What’s your beef with Rosen? -
like_that
You’re never impressed with the QB class lol.BR1986FB;1883996 wrote:Haven't decided yet but I'm not impressed with any of these QB's, so far. Also have no issue with the Minkah kid at the spot he was taken but they are also going to need to replace JT, at some point. I doubt we'll be seeing him play another down. And I'm not saying "take a LT instead of Minkah" before it's implied.
I think this class is easily better than last year. -
BR1986FB
I wanted Wentz over Goff. Have been a few others I liked too (aside from the Weeden gaffe).like_that;1883997 wrote:You’re never impressed with the QB class lol.
There's a ton of time between now and the draft. I want to see how things play out. A lot can happen between now and April. -
SportsAndLady
Is that Joe Thomas thing an actual thing or just your opinion (genuine question)? I’ve never heard that he’s done playing other than from you.BR1986FB;1883996 wrote:Haven't decided yet but I'm not impressed with any of these QB's, so far. Also have no issue with the Minkah kid at the spot he was taken but they are also going to need to replace JT, at some point. I doubt we'll be seeing him play another down. And I'm not saying "take a LT instead of Minkah" before it's implied. -
BR1986FB
The recovery time on that injury is at least 9 months. I know everybody loves him but even a 'Superman" like him isn't beating Father Time. He's been very fortunate to be injury free his whole career. Once you hit a certain age, recovery becomes more & more difficult. Couple that with the fact that the tricep is a very vital body part for an O-Lineman, pushing off on 300+ lb defenders that push back. I did hear a doctor talking about him (JT) specifically and he said "he wouldn't put anything past JT in his recovery but typically these injuries have a long recovery time."SportsAndLady;1884001 wrote:Is that Joe Thomas thing an actual thing or just your opinion (genuine question)? I’ve never heard that he’s done playing other than from you.
Unless he were to have some ridiculous rehab/recovery (if he decides to play next year), he's likely starting on IR and brought back after the 8 games or whatever it is. The question here would be "would JT even consider it worth coming back to play if it were only a half a season (assuming he wouldn't be ready by week 1)?" Only he knows that.
I know next season is a ways off but he's already lost 10 lbs due to decreased appetite (due to surgery) and not being able to lift (know these things due to 92.3 having him in studio yesterday for 45 minutes....great interview, suggest you go to 92.3 and listen to it...JT is great on the mic). I have no idea how long it will be before he can hit the weight room but that's another thing to factor in.
Just being realistic on him. I WANT him to return but it won't be easy for him. Drango has done "ok" but he's not a guy I'd want manning that position, going forward. Especially if they decide to go with a drafted rookie QB. -
Commander of Awesome
That’s not what I remember. I remember you railing the kid for his competition, injury history and his late come up in the draft process, “ala iRG3”.BR1986FB;1883999 wrote:I wanted Wentz over Goff. Have been a few others I liked too (aside from the Weeden gaffe).
There's a ton of time between now and the draft. I want to see how things play out. A lot can happen between now and April.
Could have been someone else, I certainly wasn’t enamored with him. -
BR1986FB
I went back into that thread to see what I could find and it looked like I wasn't posting around that time (the draft). I will say that everyone seemed super excited at the time about the trade down with Philly from #2 to #8 though.Commander of Awesome;1884004 wrote:That’s not what I remember. I remember you railing the kid for his competition, injury history and his late come up in the draft process, “ala iRG3”.
Could have been someone else, I certainly wasn’t enamored with him. -
like_that
Every time we have traded down for another first round pick I support it. I stand by it if the FO did their job the following year with those picks the Browns would be in best position. Passing on Wentz is starting to look like it was the wrong decision, however if we get a QB this upcoming draft and we now have talent because of those picks, everyone will look back happy that we made those trades.BR1986FB;1884016 wrote:I went back into that thread to see what I could find and it looked like I wasn't posting around that time (the draft). I will say that everyone seemed super excited at the time about the trade down with Philly from #2 to #8 though. -
BR1986FB
I know I was pretty vehement against drafting Watson so I don't have a huge issue with the trade down with Houston. I know he had some success as a rookie but I wasn't sold on him. The Browns got a nice return in the Wentz trade and, on paper, it looked great....until you realize the guys picking the players.like_that;1884020 wrote:Every time we have traded down for another first round pick I support it. I stand by it if the FO did their job the following year with those picks the Browns would be in best position. Passing on Wentz is starting to look like it was the wrong decision, however if we get a QB this upcoming draft and we now have talent because of those picks, everyone will look back happy that we made those trades.
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Commander of Awesome
I'm not sold on Watson either. Think he's gotten lucky, played with some great WRs.BR1986FB;1884021 wrote:I know I was pretty vehement against drafting Watson so I don't have a huge issue with the trade down with Houston. I know he had some success as a rookie but I wasn't sold on him. The Browns got a nice return in the Wentz trade and, on paper, it looked great....until you realize the guys picking the players. -
BR1986FB
That and he's had a coach (like McVay with Goff) tailor a system to his strengths. If he gets put in positions where he has to fit balls into tight windows, that need arm strength, I think his INT's will rise. Plus, some coaches can be good at covering up inadequacies (see RG3) in their rookie season. After the book is out on them (after the rookie year) teams adjust....the good ones adapt.Commander of Awesome;1884028 wrote:I'm not sold on Watson either. Think he's gotten lucky, played with some great WRs. -
Commander of Awesome
Advanced stats aren't kind to Watson either. Stats are showing he is "lucky" with ints, in the same sense that Bortles was lucky in his one good season. On top of that, his inaccuracies on deep balls in college are showing in the pros as well. Saw on twitter last week that Watson actually has a worse deep ball accuracy in the NFL, yet his WRs are bailing him out.BR1986FB;1884031 wrote:That and he's had a coach (like McVay with Goff) tailor a system to his strengths. If he gets put in positions where he has to fit balls into tight windows, that need arm strength, I think his INT's will rise. Plus, some coaches can be good at covering up inadequacies (see RG3) in their rookie season. After the book is out on them (after the rookie year) teams adjust....the good ones adapt. -
thavoice
with all the advanced stats these days one can usually find negative trends on almost any qb or playerCommander of Awesome;1884034 wrote:Advanced stats aren't kind to Watson either. Stats are showing he is "lucky" with ints, in the same sense that Bortles was lucky in his one good season. On top of that, his inaccuracies on deep balls in college are showing in the pros as well. Saw on twitter last week that Watson actually has a worse deep ball accuracy in the NFL, yet his WRs are bailing him out.
to help defend their own personal feelings or evaluation of said player.
What do those advanced stats say about the multiple 5td games he produced?
I was skepticle of him but what he did in his short time was very impressive and I bet many browns fans would love to have that production from the qb spot -
BR1986FB
I'm not a big analytics fan but in order for him to have continued success, they (Houston) are going to have to be pretty meticulous in how they create game plans for him.thavoice;1884038 wrote:with all the advanced stats these days one can usually find negative trends on almost any qb or player
to help defend their own personal feelings or evaluation of said player.
What do those advanced stats say about the multiple 5td games he produced?
I was skepticle of him but what he did in his short time was very impressive and I bet many browns fans would love to have that production from the qb spot
One of his big knocks coming out was his arm strength. In the HISTORY of the NFL, no QB with his "fastball" has EVER succeeded with that slow of a pass velocity. His long balls are going to hang, allowing DB's to close on them and pick them off. You can get away with that in college where WR's are open by 20 yards but it tends to catch up with you in the pros. As COA said, "his WR's are bailing him out." Teams are likely going to catch on to this. Same can be said for throwing into tight windows. If you don't have the zip, the DB's will close on balls. -
kizer permanenteJust spent some time looking at everyone's highlights this year (which aren't a good indicator) and Rosen seems far and away the best of the group. I've only seen him live once this year against USC and he outperformed Darnold even though they lost. He still looked good though.
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thavoice
And you may be correct. Too bad he got injured to see how his season goes. My main point was you can look at analytics, in many of sports, and pick apart many great llayers. One cannot take away his multiple 5td games and to say they weren't impressive is just being obtuseBR1986FB;1884042 wrote:I'm not a big analytics fan but in order for him to have continued success, they (Houston) are going to have to be pretty meticulous in how they create game plans for him.
One of his big knocks coming out was his arm strength. In the HISTORY of the NFL, no QB with his "fastball" has EVER succeeded with that slow of a pass velocity. His long balls are going to hang, allowing DB's to close on them and pick them off. You can get away with that in college where WR's are open by 20 yards but it tends to catch up with you in the pros. As COA said, "his WR's are bailing him out." Teams are likely going to catch on to this. Same can be said for throwing into tight windows. If you don't have the zip, the DB's will close on balls.