Browns BS Drama

• Crimson streak

  

  BR1986FB;1877969 wrote:Pick your poison...if they blow this up, who'd you rather keep, the front office or coaching staff? Must pick one of the two.

  I'd keep the front office but actually hire a gm. I think they do a pretty good job at acquiring picks and such. With a real gm that can evaluate talent they could be sitting golden
  
  
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• BR1986FB

  Crimson streak;1877970 wrote:I'd keep the front office but actually hire a gm. I think they do a pretty good job at acquiring picks and such. With a real gm that can evaluate talent they could be sitting golden
  
  
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  That's interesting because, on the flip side, I've heard a lot of coaches/players say "Hue's a great coach. He's getting a raw deal. Give the guy some talent and then watch him go." Not defending Hue, because his record speaks for itself, but the front office has whiffed on a few chances (Wentz, Peppers not looking good, etc). They are good at stockpiling picks but using them to get the right guys might be a different story.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I’m not complimenting the FO for “acquiring” picks when all we’re doing is refusing to draft top talent and instead acquiring more picks for less talented guys. Fire them.
• iclfan2

  

  BR1986FB;1877973 wrote:That's interesting because, on the flip side, I've heard a lot of coaches/players say "Hue's a great coach.

  On the flip side, a good coach would luck into a few wins a year on scheme alone. The play calling is shit. Option plays, stopping the run even before down 30, etc. I'm not sure who I'd rather be gone, but Hue doesn't look anything like a great coach on Sundays. His resistance to hiring an OC alone is a reason I don't like him.
• like_that

  

  You get rid of the FO and then the new FO wants their guy coaching the team. In this hypothetical Hue should go, before the FO and the FO needs to get a legitimate football guy in there who can make the right picks.
  
  Realistically, if you’re going to fire one you should just fire both.
  
  Also, can Haslam fire himself and sell the team to an owner who wouldn’t meddle and hire a football guy to run the shop? Haslam doesn’t get a pass in all of this.
• Heretic

  

  like_that;1877988 wrote:You get rid of the FO and then the new FO wants their guy coaching the team. In this hypothetical Hue should go, before the FO and the FO needs to get a legitimate football guy in there who can make the right picks.
  
  Realistically, if you’re going to fire one you should just fire both.
  
  Also, can Haslam fire himself and sell the team to an owner who wouldn’t meddle and hire a football guy to run the shop? Haslam doesn’t get a pass in all of this.

  That's a good point; teams with meddling owners tend to not be that good, all things considered. The Redskins went from a power franchise to mediocre-to-bad because Danny S. is a moron who cares more about buying all the DC media so he looks good, while throwing a ton of $$$ at big names with no thought as to how they'll work out and Dallas has all the advantages in the world (regular media blowjobs, always on TV, the "America's Team" BS), but since Jerry Jones replaced Jimmy with a series of sock puppets he controls, they've been a pretty average program. Probably a bit below average, all things considered. Kind of the Notre Dame of the NFL, where you have all the reputation and none of the results.
  
  Honestly, from my outsider perspective, that might be one of the bigger problems with the Browns. Meddling owner = no cohesion. When the coaches and front office get canned every couple years to start over, it means you're starting over from day 1 on a regular basis and you know that in 1-2 years, you'll be doing it all over again barring a minor miracle, which makes your franchise an unattractive destination for prospective players.
• BR1986FB

  Heretic;1877989 wrote:That's a good point; teams with meddling owners tend to not be that good, all things considered. The Redskins went from a power franchise to mediocre-to-bad because Danny S. is a moron who cares more about buying all the DC media so he looks good, while throwing a ton of $$$ at big names with no thought as to how they'll work out and Dallas has all the advantages in the world (regular media blowjobs, always on TV, the "America's Team" BS), but since Jerry Jones replaced Jimmy with a series of sock puppets he controls, they've been a pretty average program. Probably a bit below average, all things considered. Kind of the Notre Dame of the NFL, where you have all the reputation and none of the results.
  
  Honestly, from my outsider perspective, that might be one of the bigger problems with the Browns. Meddling owner = no cohesion. When the coaches and front office get canned every couple years to start over, it means you're starting over from day 1 on a regular basis and you know that in 1-2 years, you'll be doing it all over again barring a minor miracle, which makes your franchise an unattractive destination for prospective players.

  
  The (not so) funny thing about this is that Haslam, as a former part owner of the Steelers, should've learned from that organization's patience instead of his hair trigger approach to changing things. He supposedly wanted to bring the 'Steeler Way" philosophy here. It's been exactly the opposite.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1877991 wrote:The (not so) funny thing about this is that Haslam, as a former part owner of the Steelers, should've learned from that organization's patience instead of his hair trigger approach to changing things. He supposedly wanted to bring the 'Steeler Way" philosophy here. It's been exactly the opposite.

  I completely forgot about his part ownership with the Steelers. That’s a good point, wtf happen to adopting their way?
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1877993 wrote:I completely forgot about his part ownership with the Steelers. That’s a good point, wtf happen to adopting their way?

  The biggest problem is, that on Haslam's watch, they've had some terrible HC choices that I'm not sure I would've stayed the course with. A lot of what Hue does is questionable but I'd like to see him coach some legit offensive talent. They don't have a shutdown defense but I think they'd be good enough to keep them in games if they weren't dealing with constant 3 & out's and short fields due to QB screw-ups.
• SportsAndLady

  

  SportsAndLady;1850867 wrote:My grades of the draft:
  
  (1st) Myles Garrett, A+
  Garrett was the best player on the board, and the Browns didn't try and get cute. They didn't panic and draft a QB at 1, and instead took a generational player at a position of need. Browns' pash rush was 30th in the NFL, and they need playmakers on defense. Garrett was an easy choice, but still an A+ one.
  
  (25th) Jabrill Peppers, C+
  I was critical of the pick at the time. Part of this grade is due to the Browns getting a 1st rounder next year. When you look at the trade with Philly for them to take Wentz, the Browns have now added 2 first round picks and 9 players to their roster because of it. Pretty awesome. Peppers is explosive but not a particularly great safety. It was risky to take someone in the top 25 without a true position. That being said, he can return punts, and can probably contribute in someway on offense if needed. Would have preferred another player here, but overall it's not awful.
  
  (29th) David Njoku, B
  Had to send a couple picks away to get him, and he's incredibly raw at the TE position. He has great speed and playmaking ability, especially downfield, which is what this team lacked last year. But, how long will it take him to be productive on the field? I think he'll end up being a good pick, but we won't see much from him until he comes into his own, and that could be a few years from now. Since we aren't going anywhere this upcoming season, I give the pick a solid B because he'll have time to turn into an explosive TE which in today's NFL is incredibly important.
  
  (52nd) Deshone Kizer, A-
  In 5 years, this will either be graded an A or an F pick. For now, I'm grading this solely on risk/reward. There is very little risk with drafting him here because if he flops, we didn't use a high pick on him or trade an obscene amount of picks to get him. Will probably see some playing time this year, so we'll know pretty soon what he has.
  
  (65th) Larry Ogunjobi, A-
  I love this pick. This guy is a fricken beast. 300+ pounds, and built like a god damn truck. Only player to be drafted from UNC-Charlotte. He also leaves that school wtih the all time lead in practically everything a D-lineman can lead in. Can always use depth and talent on the D-line, and I think he turns into a very good player for the Browns.
  
  (126th) Howard Wilson, A
  One of my favorite picks of the draft. Wilson has all the phsyical tools to be a starting DB in the league. If not for an injured 2015 season, he probably goes in the first round. I loved how we realized how loaded this draft was at the DB position, and didn't spend a high pick on a corner when we could get a player like Wilson in the 4th. I think he'll start across Haden from day one.
  
  (160th) Roderick Johnson, C+
  Weak class for OL, and Johnson was the 4th or 5th taken. Browns moved up to grab him, so they obviously saw something they liked. I think he can be a serviceable backup/fill-in on our O-line, but won't be a stud player. That being said, if he can replace that bum Cam Irving on our line, it's an A+++++ pick.
  
  (185th) Caleb Brantley, C
  Obviously the guy has talent, and has the production to back it up. But will he ever play in the NFL? I do think the Browns did enough research on his assault charge that they felt comfortable with taking him. But anytime you hear he hit a WOMAN so hard she had to get a root canal, you never like to see that kind of player on your team. Good news, we got a 1st-2nd round player in the 6th round, bad news we don't know if he'll even make the team (or face Goodell's wrath and be suspended). Innocent until proven guilty, but I'd prefer we stick to high character guys and leave these POS players to the Steelers/Bengals/Ravens where they belong.
  
  (224) Zane Gonzalez, B+
  We need a kicker, and Legatron is a good one. I see a lot of Browns fans are angry we spent a draft pick on the kicker position. I don't share that sentiment. If they think he can be a pro-bowl kicker for the next 15+ years, why the hell not spend a 6th rounder on that? He's the alltime FBS leader in FG's made, and has 6 other FBS kicking records. I like the pick.
  
  (252) Matthew Dayes, C-
  Read about him before the draft as a dime-a-dozen RB but with very little burst. He did grade out in the 5th-6th round, so it's decent value. But I don't think he even makes the team. Could possibly be a change of pace back, but will that be in Cleveland? I'm not so sure.
  
  Overall, I love this draft. So many starting-potential players and several players I could see make multiple pro bowls. Wasn't a perfect draft, but we secured another 1st round pick next year, addressed areas of need, took the best player in the draft, and potentially a franchise QB. We'll see how it turns out, but right now, I give this draft an A.

  My grades after the draft. Garrett still giving an A+. Njoku looks like he has some serious potential. Kizer I said was either goign to be an A or an F, and have to think at this point it's an F. Zane Gonzalez sucks. Brantley playing now after an injury. Rod Johnson and Howard Wilson not gonna play. Peppers not good. Ogunjubi not enough tape but he looks to be decent.
  
  We'll see. Obviously very early, but but sheesh looking like another flop of a draft.
• BR1986FB

  I wouldn't feel terrible if these guys went after Alex Smith in FA (short term contract, he's going to be 34) and still burned a high pick on a QB, used other top picks on weapons for Smith.
• vball10set

  Heading to the game Sunday...potential first win?
• BR1986FB

  vball10set;1878072 wrote:Heading to the game Sunday...potential first win?

  Ummmm, no
• kizer permanente

  I envision Mariota targeting Peppers bc Gregg Williams likes to put him on the other teams 1's.
• BRF

  

  vball10set;1878072 wrote:Heading to the game Sunday...potential first win?

  The Optimist.
• vball10set

  BRF;1878082 wrote:The Optimist.

  lol...that, or a glutton for punishment
• iclfan2

  

  Coleman and Britt were sent home from Houston for missing curfew. How dumb do these pieces of shit need to be? Browns are lucky Pryor hasn’t been lighting it up bc Britt is a quintessential dumbass.
  
  
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• kizer permanente

  iclfan2;1878146 wrote:Coleman and Britt were sent home from Houston for missing curfew. How dumb do these pieces of shit need to be? Browns are lucky Pryor hasn’t been lighting it up bc Britt is a quintessential dumbass.
  
  
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  To me that's an automatic cut when you've been playing like he has and pull this shit.
• Crimson streak

  

  kizer permanente;1878154 wrote:To me that's an automatic cut when you've been playing like he has and pull this shit.

  I guess a trade to buffalo might be coming soon
  
  
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• Commander of Awesome

  

  Crimson streak;1878155 wrote:I guess a trade to buffalo might be coming soon
  
  
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  Would be amazing.
• vball10set

  iclfan2;1878146 wrote:Coleman and Britt were sent home from Houston for missing curfew. How dumb do these pieces of shit need to be? Browns are lucky Pryor hasn’t been lighting it up bc Britt is a quintessential dumbass.
  
  
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  kizer permanente;1878154 wrote:To me that's an automatic cut when you've been playing like he has and pull this shit.

  Crimson streak;1878155 wrote:I guess a trade to buffalo might be coming soon
  
  
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  Commander of Awesome;1878340 wrote:Would be amazing.

  these!
• SportsAndLady

  

  The season from hell continues..joe Thomas done for the rest of the year.
  
  I blame ESPN. Made a big fucking thing about 10k straight snaps and two weeks later he’s injured. Jinxing SOB’s.
• like_that

  

  SportsAndLady;1878350 wrote:The season from hell continues..joe Thomas done for the rest of the year.
  
  I blame ESPN. Made a big fucking thing about 10k straight snaps and two weeks later he’s injured. Jinxing SOB’s.

  I said it in the game thread, but there was nothing more predictable than JT ending his streak this season.
• vball10set

  like_that;1878356 wrote:I said it in the game thread, but there was nothing more predictable than JT ending his streak this season.

  ..but you've said this every game thread for the last 10 years
• like_that

  

  vball10set;1878362 wrote:..but you've said this every game thread for the last 10 years

  link?