2016 Browns Season Thread

• SportsAndLady

  

  Ironman92;1768190 wrote:Apologies if I'm being a dumbass but how is having the 11th pick drafting a QB 22nd?

  The Browns love taking QB's at 22. It was a joke. It meant when the Browns wait and don't take the best QB available, they blow it.
• Ironman92

  

  SportsAndLady;1768200 wrote:The Browns love taking QB's at 22. It was a joke. It meant when the Browns wait and don't take the best QB available, they blow it.

  Got it
• Uz2Bon36

  

  
• Footwedge

  lol at drafting a quarterback. Amazing how stupid the people are on this board. The team should either draft Bosa or deal that pick to the highest bidder. And lol in talking about this group being a good offfensive line. Hilarious. They have the worst o-line in football...and it's not even close. McCown, Manziel and Davis all got avalanched this year. Only Johnny was able to escape occasionally.
• Footwedge

  So Cueball refused to name Johnny the starter today. Hmmm. Apparently Johnny said bleep you when Cueball laid out his stipulations. Jerry Jones has already offered a number 2 for Manziel and will certainly up the ante when the rubber meets the road.
• like_that

  

  Ironman92;1768192 wrote:Don't think I ever said anything about sure-fire. I don't know a great amount about the available QB's in this draft.

  I know. I was just grouping your argument and hrs argument into one so I didn't have to quote both.
• like_that

  

  Laley23;1768195 wrote:The NFL is littered with QBs who were looked at as pro caliber but far from locks. Just in the last few drafts...
  
  Bridgewater
  Bortles
  Marriota and Winston (depending on who you ask)
  Carr
  Tannehill
  Osweiler
  Wilson
  Dalton
  Bradford
  Flacco
  Stafford (honestly don't recall the buzz on him, maybe he was considered sure fire)
  Cutler
  Rogers
  Smith
  Orton
  
  Thats the last 10 years. There are also PLENTY of busts taken in the 1st two rounds. But there are ALWAYS guys worth taking. It's just the Browns have been uncanny at finding the wrong ones...2007 and 2013 are the only years I'd consider to not have a QB who was sure fire nor a QB who panned out as a possibility. I guess 2013 is still a bit early, but looking bad.

  That's not really what I meant by sure fire (not sure if that's what HR meant either). Cook, goff, lynch fits the description for the type of guys you just listed though (you forgot Newton lol).
• Lovejoy1984

  

  I was talking a Combo of what he posted. Was thinking of about a 3rd of the guys he mentioned.
  
  Luck
  Newton
  RG3
  Mariotta
  Winston
  Bortles
  Stafford
  
  Guys that were consider by all, or almost all the "experts" as one of the Top 5 players in the draft. Thats where I was heading with "sure fire".
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Footwedge;1768209 wrote:So Cueball refused to name Johnny the starter today. Hmmm. Apparently Johnny said bleep you when Cueball laid out his stipulations. Jerry Jones has already offered a number 2 for Manziel and will certainly up the ante when the rubber meets the road.

  Link?
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1768140 wrote:You spouting off about something you know nothing about is great value.

  Pure opinion, just like EVERYONE else on here. I think he is more enamored with being famous than being a top flight NFL QB. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this belief. At least I give an opinion instead of the usual "BRSPN strikes again!" (that's it, nothing else)
• BR1986FB

  I want a legit QB, just like most, but I don't want them to reach and get a Ponder/Gabbert type if they don't pan out.
  
  I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum as far as what I've heard about Lynch & Goff. Haven't heard "sure fire" but I have heard that they have a good shot at being franchise QB's. Lynch is going to have to be deprogrammed from that spread shit though.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1768234 wrote:I want a legit QB, just like most, but I don't want them to reach and get a Ponder/Gabbert type if they don't pan out.

  Well no shit.
  
  Can't stand when Browns fan say they want to stay away from a QB in the first round because they could be a bust. Seems like everyone else we pick is a bust, might as well take the chance on a QB.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1768238 wrote:Well no shit.
  
  Can't stand when Browns fan say they want to stay away from a QB in the first round because they could be a bust. Seems like everyone else we pick is a bust, might as well take the chance on a QB.

  So basically, your post and this one ("If we have the top pick of the draft, and don't have a sure fire franchise QB on the roster, and they draft anything but a QB, I will lose my fucking shit.") contradicted itself. If I'm them, I'm not drafting a QB just for the sake of drafting one (which you are implying) with a high pick if they have someone like Bosa rated much higher than the QB.
  
  I want them to finally get the QB position right but I'm (meaning the franchise) not grabbing a QB high just to say I did it.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1768239 wrote:So basically, your post and this one ("If we have the top pick of the draft, and don't have a sure fire franchise QB on the roster, and they draft anything but a QB, I will lose my fucking shit.") contradicted itself. If I'm them, I'm not drafting a QB just for the sake of drafting one (which you are implying) with a high pick if they have someone like Bosa rated much higher than the QB.
  
  I want them to finally get the QB position right but I'm (meaning the franchise) not grabbing a QB high just to say I did it.

  I didn't say they should take one just to take one. I said there will be a good QB in this draft, and they need to do the work to find who that is. And then draft him.
  
  Reading is hard
• Laley23

  

  like_that;1768214 wrote:That's not really what I meant by sure fire (not sure if that's what HR meant either). Cook, goff, lynch fits the description for the type of guys you just listed though (you forgot Newton lol).

  Im more responding to Br and S&L.
  
  S&L saying to take a QB (I agree), br saying not to because there isn't a stud, lock of the year, franchise guy.
  
  My post was saying, there is ALWAYS a franchise guy. You just have to not suck at evaluating like the Browns and find him. Only 2 years in 10 have there been nobody, and that's debatable for 2013 since it's only been 2 seasons. I left off Newton cause I considered him a lock. Don't remember many doubting him, but if so, that would just be another. And that doesn't factor in guys like Luck who everyone penciled in. So, yeah, find the QB...he will be there.
• BR1986FB

  I'm changing my stance a little on Danny Shelton. After watching some film on him from the Cincinnati game, he's manhandling people one on one. The dumbass' problem is that he's keeping his head down and driving the blocker right past the guy running the ball. If he'd keep his eyes in the backfield, and pay attention, he'd be a helluva lot more disruptive and actually make some plays.
• BR1986FB

  Laley23;1768270 wrote: br saying not to because there isn't a stud, lock of the year, franchise guy.

  I never said that. I want them to take a QB but I don't want them to just take a QB because they need one. If they somehow fall into the #2 spot, someone trades up into the #1 spots & takes the consensus top QB, I don't want them taking the #2, who may be marginal, just to say "we took a QB."
  
  There hasn't been a "stud, lock of the year", since Luck.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1768314 wrote: I don't want them to just take a QB because they need one.

  Why not?!
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1768315 wrote:Why not?!

  Because that's when you end up with the Gabbert's, Boller's, Locker's & Ponder's because you "need a QB so bad" that you're willing to force the issue. I know this team desperately needs a franchise QB and I want to see them get one in the worst way. As usual, time will tell if there's one in this draft. Hope there is, for their (and the fans) sake, but if there's any doubt, just take Bosa or whoever is the top pick.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1768316 wrote:Because that's when you end up with the Gabbert's, Boller's, Locker's & Ponder's because you "need a QB so bad" that you're willing to force the issue. I know this team desperately needs a franchise QB and I want to see them get one in the worst way. As usual, time will tell if there's one in this draft. Hope there is, for their (and the fans) sake, but if there's any doubt, just take Bosa or whoever is the top pick.

  The colts needed a QB they took luck.
  The panthers needed a QB they took Newton.
  The raiders needed a QB they took Carr.
  The packers needed a QB they took Rodgers.
  The Giants needed a QB, they took (kinda) manning.
  
  I'm not saying throw a dart at a QB and draft him #1 overall.
  
  Do your fucking job, evaluate the prospects, find who is going to be successful (at least one will) and draft that QB #1.
  
  We've been QB-less for 20 years. We finally have the top pick (assuming we do), and you want to take a D-Lineman lol classic Browns fan logic.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1768319 wrote:The colts needed a QB they took luck.
  The panthers needed a QB they took Newton.
  The raiders needed a QB they took Carr.
  The packers needed a QB they took Rodgers.
  The Giants needed a QB, they took (kinda) manning.
  
  I'm not saying throw a dart at a QB and draft him #1 overall.
  
  Do your fucking job, evaluate the prospects, find who is going to be successful (at least one will) and draft that QB #1.
  
  We've been QB-less for 20 years. We finally have the top pick (assuming we do), and you want to take a D-Lineman lol classic Browns fan logic.

  Not "classic Browns fan logic." I want a QB but I don't want one just to take one.
  
  Luck was the consensus sure fire "no brainer." Newton, I believe, was also very highly ranked. Carr was a second rounder (doesn't count). Rodgers was a high value/luxury pick for a team who was very good and had a franchise QB in Favre. Manning & Rivers were also highly rated that year. I'm skeptical that Goof or Lynch will be as good as any of the guys you mentioned.
• Al Bundy

  BR1986FB;1768320 wrote:Not "classic Browns fan logic." I want a QB but I don't want one just to take one.
  
  Luck was the consensus sure fire "no brainer." Newton, I believe, was also very highly ranked. Carr was a second rounder (doesn't count). Rodgers was a high value/luxury pick for a team who was very good and had a franchise QB in Favre. Manning & Rivers were also highly rated that year. I'm skeptical that Goof or Lynch will be as good as any of the guys you mentioned.

  If there was a qb name Goof, he'd fit right into our recent draft strategy.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  BR1986FB;1768313 wrote:I'm changing my stance a little on Danny Shelton. After watching some film on him from the Cincinnati game, he's manhandling people one on one. The dumbass' problem is that he's keeping his head down and driving the blocker right past the guy running the ball. If he'd keep his eyes in the backfield, and pay attention, he'd be a helluva lot more disruptive and actually make some plays.

  My problem wiht him is how inconsistent he is. Esp with pad level. ability is there, not a believer in oniel to get best out of him.
• BR1986FB

  Al Bundy;1768321 wrote:If there was a qb name Goof, he'd fit right into our recent draft strategy.

  LOL....my bad
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1768322 wrote:My problem wiht him is how inconsistent he is. Esp with pad level. ability is there, not a believer in oniel to get best out of him.

  I don't think O'Neil could get the best out of a junior high team.
  
  Speaking of coaches....
  
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