2015 Browns Offseason Thread

• ts1227

  

  Have at it
• IggyPride00

  

  Man are the trolls out in full force on this thread right now.
• Footwedge

  Al Bundy;1685742 wrote:Are you upset because your dad got a middle school math problem wrong?

  Actually, what I said was correct...I just used the wrong ( little) adjective. Criticize my English skills...not my math skills. I'll puy my 800 SAT score up against yours...anytime. Did I not say 16 t 46 increase was less than 300%? Well....yes I did. And that is a correct statement. But it's AMAZING how the entire Saturday was wasted by worms like you. Laley. ***** City and the like. What I did was with purpose ..and the reaction was just as I thought. But here ya Go Turdy. This one is for you, Laley and Lhshemp. Hypothetical that will keep you busy for a week. Next year...the Browns split with the Steelers, end up a game ahead of them in the standings and the Steelers are still crowned as division champions. Could that happen? I'm looking for a yes or no answer. Go. Tick tock tick tock.
• like_that

  

  Can we change the thread title to 2015 Browns Offseason (IQQY Free)? Might as well keep this thread going without IQQY getting involved.
• se-alum

  

  I really don't think the Browns can get enough out of Gordon to trade him, but wouldn't mind the trade if they got a good deal for him.
• salto

  

  SportsAndLady;1689950 wrote:Yeah says the guy who has to post from another username due to his previous username being banned for being an idiot.

  We are discussing you being an idiot, not me. Everyone knows I'm an idiot. Hope this helps.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  like_that;1689987 wrote:If Gordon loses his UFA status, I would be pretty pissed if we traded him for one fucking mid round pick. Give me a break. That would be the randy moss trade all over again. He has a cheap contract, and would have 2 years on it (if you count his restricted status).

  I understand your feelings from a talent standpoint. However, the difference between Moss and Gordon is that Randy was a self-centered moron that had legal issues, but they really never forced him to miss time. Gordon has had a ton of legal issues during his brief time in the league, resulting in missing almost a full season in just three years. He is "secondhand smoke" away from being kicked out of the league. He's had DUI's, two marijuana issues not counting college, missed meetings, questionable work ethic, etc...
  
  If these guys would "get it," I'm all for keeping them, but Gordon has shown that he hasn't learned a darn thing during his three years, and Manziel is nothing more than a distraction to the team.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  se-alum;1689991 wrote:I really don't think the Browns can get enough out of Gordon to trade him, but wouldn't mind the trade if they got a good deal for him.

  I agree, I have a hard time thinking we could even GET a 3rd rounder for him. Obviously, if we could get more I would be all for it, but I just don't see it happening. NFL teams have too many other things to do instead of babysitting grown men who don't know how to conduct themselves off the field.
• se-alum

  

  Haslem said Pettine and Farmer will "absolutely" return next year, so we can get that out of the way.
• vball10set

  se-alum;1690001 wrote:Haslem said Pettine and Farmer will "absolutely" return next year, so we can get that out of the way.

  No mention of JFF though? lol
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  Looking back at the 2014 draft, wouldn't it be nice to have Kelvin Benjamin instead of Johnny at that #22 pick.
  
  I mean, it could've been a lot worse. We could've had the #1 overall pick and selected Clowney...
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Would've been better to have OBJ at 9, and Derek Carr at 22.
  
  You can look back during the draft period. Carr was the QB from this class I wanted.
• BRF

  

  7-4 to 7-9.
  
  SMH
• like_that

  

  Dr. KnOiTaLL;1689999 wrote:I understand your feelings from a talent standpoint. However, the difference between Moss and Gordon is that Randy was a self-centered moron that had legal issues, but they really never forced him to miss time. Gordon has had a ton of legal issues during his brief time in the league, resulting in missing almost a full season in just three years. He is "secondhand smoke" away from being kicked out of the league. He's had DUI's, two marijuana issues not counting college, missed meetings, questionable work ethic, etc...
  
  If these guys would "get it," I'm all for keeping them, but Gordon has shown that he hasn't learned a darn thing during his three years, and Manziel is nothing more than a distraction to the team.

  I am pretty sure the new drug policy caps off the players at 10 games. There is no longer a year long or life long ban. Also, there is easily a comparison between moss and gordon. Both players mailed it in for their shitty team. When Moss was traded to a better team, he all of a sudden was leading the league in major categories again. Gordon is doing the same shit, not putting in his best effort.
• Al Bundy

  They need players who are leaders. All of the good teams have players who would deal with many of the issues locker room style. Both of our first round draft picks have zero work ethic, but none of the players step up and give them some tough love. It hurts to say this, but the Ravens and Steelers both have players that would kick the ass of rookies who act like ours do. We have no leadership from veterans.
• se-alum

  

  vball10set;1690002 wrote:No mention of JFF though? lol

  Based on some Twitter stuff, it sounds like he hinted that the 3 won't be released. I think the shit will hit the fan tomorrow though, that's when Pettine said he would address the Manziel, Gordon, and Gilbert situations. I honestly can't see what value JFF has to the Browns at this point. A guy that played WR and Safety on the practice squad, just came out and performed better than Manziel did in his game and a half.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  Al Bundy;1690010 wrote:They need players who are leaders. All of the good teams have players who would deal with many of the issues locker room style. Both of our first round draft picks have zero work ethic, but none of the players step up and give them some tough love. It hurts to say this, but the Ravens and Steelers both have players that would kick the ass of rookies who act like ours do. We have no leadership from veterans.

  It appears that Dansby and Whitner have tried, but they do it through the media which I don't necessarily agree with. Dansby has also mentioned that he's willing to talk to the young guys, but they have to approach him, not the other way around (however, it's pretty well known that Dansby isn't a real verbal guy, more of a "lead-by-example" guy). I understand that mindset though, because if a veteran approaches a rookie who doesn't find any issues with what he is doing, it's going to have very little impact. By the rookie approaching the veteran, it shows that they understand they need to improve or change.
• shook_17

  

  Teddy B will end up being the best QB outta this class and we passed on him. Fuck.
• Mulva

  

  HighRoller74;1690007 wrote:Would've been better to have OBJ at 9, and Derek Carr at 22.
  
  You can look back during the draft period. Carr was the QB from this class I wanted.

  I'll pass on Carr and his 5.53 yards/attempt. The league's new checkdown king.
• like_that

  

  Mulva;1690023 wrote:I'll pass on Carr and his 5.53 yards/attempt. The league's new checkdown king.

  
  +1. Brings the lulz when people slob on him.
• like_that

  

  I am not really impressed with the QBs coming out of this draft either. Winston I think will be the best, but he will go in the top 5. I think if Hundley falls to the Browns in the 2nd round, they gotta make that pick.
• Sonofanump

  Dr. KnOiTaLL;1690014 wrote:It appears that Dansby and Whitner have tried, but they do it through the media which I don't necessarily agree with.

  Exactly how do you know that Whitner did not attempt to deal with it in the locker room?
• Con_Alma

  He didn't say that they didn't try to in the locker room...they still are doing it through the media, however. ...maybe in addition to an effort in the locker room or maybe only in the media.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Mulva;1690023 wrote:I'll pass on Carr and his 5.53 yards/attempt. The league's new checkdown king.

  like_that;1690025 wrote:+1. Brings the lulz when people slob on him.

  So you'd rather have Hoyer, and Manziel, instead of Carr?
  
  Hoyer: 55.3 % 3326 yards 12 TDs, 13 INT 43 QBR
  Carr: 58.6 % 3112 yards, 20 TDs, 11 INT 40 QBR
  
  I'm not saying he's the best QB of all time (I'm not FW or IQQY), but you've gotta give credit where its due Carr has been the best Rookie QB this season, and it's not really close.
  
  Regardless if he checks down, he's moving the sticks, something we didn't do this year, at all. Our WR's are comparable, but the Browns have the edge on TE, RB, and its not even close on the OL.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I'll take bridgewater over any of the rookies.