Reds Offseason Thread---New Manager, changes etc

• se-alum

  

  Azubuike24;1521366 wrote:He's a career .654 OPS hitter in the minors. Not even one of the Reds top 30 prospects, IMO. If you can't see the difference between him and Hamilton, well...

  Reds have him listed as the #11 prospect, but you're probably right...
• Rotinaj

  

  Azubuike24;1521268 wrote:RBI's are so overrated. Frazier or Cozart could have had 100 RBI's in the positions Phillips was in.
  
  BTW, this was one of Phillips' worst offensive seasons and he wasn't even ranked in the top 12 in overall offensive production from a 2B.
  
  He can be upgraded and is NOT worth what he is being paid.

  LOL Cozart 100 RBI. What a joke of a statement. Frazier and his .234 average wouldn't of done it either. BP had a subpar offensive year but to compare him with those 2 is dumb.
• se-alum

  

  Rotinaj;1521381 wrote:LOL Cozart 100 RBI. What a joke of a statement. Frazier and his .234 average wouldn't of done it either. BP had a subpar offensive year but to compare him with those 2 is dumb.

  Frazier did hit .281 w/ RISP. I think he could've got to 100RBI's sandwiched between Votto and Bruce, where he would see pitches. Batting behind Bruce and in front of guys like Cozart and Hanigan, he wasn't getting much to hit. No way Cozy gets there though, he was actually a worse hitter with RISP.
• Azubuike24

  

  Frazier had 73 RBI's. He hit all over the lineup. I'd bet that Phillips had TWICE the RBI chances he did. Phillips did NOT have a good year.
  
  As for Rodriguez, the 11th best prospect? Really? I'm no expert, but I do follow their minor leagues fairly closely and there's no chance he's #11. Hell, they have 8 guys in A-ball alone who I'd rank higher. Winker, Ervin, Lorenzen, Amir Garrett, Cisco, Stephenson, Travieso, Rahier. Then you have Hamilton and Yorman Rodriguez. Also, guys they just drafted, Lively, Thompson, Franklin, etc. Those are the obvious ones. Many, many others who could be in the top 25...
  
  I'd like to see where you're getting that because 11th is crazy.
• Azubuike24

  

  Lets also mention that Phillips completely tanked the last 2 months of the season. When the team needed RHB the most, he was nowhere to be found.
• Ironman92

  

  Reds to hire Bryan Price tomorrow according to Bob Nightengale
• Ironman92

  

  se-alum;1521387 wrote:Frazier did hit .281 w/ RISP. I think he could've got to 100RBI's sandwiched between Votto and Bruce, where he would see pitches. Batting behind Bruce and in front of guys like Cozart and Hanigan, he wasn't getting much to hit. No way Cozy gets there though, he was actually a worse hitter with RISP.

  Phillips hit way higher with RISP and just eclipsed 100.....I don't think the math supports the claim of Cozy or Frazier getting to 100.
• se-alum

  

  Azubuike24;1521415 wrote:Frazier had 73 RBI's. He hit all over the lineup. I'd bet that Phillips had TWICE the RBI chances he did. Phillips did NOT have a good year.
  
  As for Rodriguez, the 11th best prospect? Really? I'm no expert, but I do follow their minor leagues fairly closely and there's no chance he's #11. Hell, they have 8 guys in A-ball alone who I'd rank higher. Winker, Ervin, Lorenzen, Amir Garrett, Cisco, Stephenson, Travieso, Rahier. Then you have Hamilton and Yorman Rodriguez. Also, guys they just drafted, Lively, Thompson, Franklin, etc. Those are the obvious ones. Many, many others who could be in the top 25...
  
  I'd like to see where you're getting that because 11th is crazy.

  http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/index.jsp?c_id=cin#list=cin
• Azubuike24

  

  Not sure who makes that list, but once I saw Dan Corcino at the #7 spot, it ends there.
  
  I guess I can agree to disagree.
• Ironman92

  

  Ironman92;1521606 wrote:Reds to hire Bryan Price tomorrow according to Bob Nightengale

  Anyone noticing this....
• se-alum

  

  Ironman92;1521619 wrote:Anyone noticing this....

  Yea, I'm ok with it. I have to assume that he assured them he is not a Dusty disciple.
• Ironman92

  

  se-alum;1521621 wrote:Yea, I'm ok with it. I have to assume that he assured them he is not a Dusty disciple.

  I believe he is a Walt guy.
• Azubuike24

  

  He is.
  
  My biggest questions will be...
  
  1. Who is the pitching coach and will he just be a puppet for Price?
  2. Is Chapman going to be converted to starter?
• SportsAndLady

  

  I don't like it
• Ironman92

  

  SportsAndLady;1521635 wrote:I don't like it

  I like it....but my reasoning is unproven so we'll see.
  
  I believe he WILL hold the players way more accountable even though he won't be the intimidating/fiery figure. I believe he is VERY intelligent and will have actual thought out sensible reasons for his much less noticeable madness.
  
  We have to get a hitting approach beyond the 80's.....and someone to teach it. Hopefully we get a couple fiery guys to perform it.
• se-alum

  

  Azubuike24;1521633 wrote:He is.
  
  My biggest questions will be...
  
  1. Who is the pitching coach and will he just be a puppet for Price?
  2. Is Chapman going to be converted to starter?

  A lot of talk on Twitter of Mack Jenkins being promoted to pitching coach. Nothing concrete though.
• sportchampps

  I hate the hire. There's been lots of rumors about clubhouse issues and they hire a guy from within the clubhouse.
• se-alum

  

  And here is a quote in that story from Price himself about how things changed after he became pitching coach for the Reds:
  “This team hadn’t been in the playoffs for 15 years,” Price said. “There was room for improvement and room for change. I think for a guy like me, with 16 years of player-development experience as a player and coach, one thing you get when you’re in the Minor Leagues is the importance of fundamentals and accountability. I don’t have any idea what it was like here before, and I don’t imagine it was that much different. I do know that if somebody does something they shouldn’t do, we’ll call them out on it. Don’t cover first base or don’t hold runners close, don’t back up bases — when they come back into the dugout, they’re going to hear about it.”
  

  http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2013/10/21/reports-price-gets-the-gig/
• se-alum

  

  sportchampps;1521658 wrote:I hate the hire. There's been lots of rumors about clubhouse issues and they hire a guy from within the clubhouse.

  This doesn't worry me in the least. The pitchers said they were held accountable by Price. What Dusty did with the other players in the clubhouse has nothing to do with the pitching coach.
• Midstate01

  

  I love it.
• justincredible

  

  I LOVE the hire.
• thavoice

  Ironman92;1521607 wrote:Phillips hit way higher with RISP and just eclipsed 100.....I don't think the math supports the claim of Cozy or Frazier getting to 100.

  I agree and glad someone mentioend it before I broke down the numbers!
  
  All other things behing equal, if Frazier was in BP's spot all season, got the same opportunites and hit the same with RISP as he did this season he doesnt get to 100 RBI's,
  but that is neither here nor there.
  
  BP filled in admirably in the 4 hole. He hit well with RISP, drove in runs, and did what was asked.
  
  Seems like he is a clubhous cancer. I remember 2/3 through the season reports that the clubhouse was in disarray but not real details as to why. The telling quote I read the other day was BP was happy if he went 3-4 and the team lost but mad if he went 0-3 and the team won. Yeah, I get it that you are disappointed if you didnt play well, but the overwhelming feeling should be positive when the team wins.
  
  
  Price as the manager. Heard he was not afraid to get into the pitchers faces when they fucked up. IF he does that to the rest of the players when they mess up and is more firey then I think it isnt a bad idea. He of course would need a pitching coach, and get a hitting coach as well.
  
  As LeCleur said a few weeks ago......you know what you get with his as a pitching coach, but not as a manager.
  
  
  Most reports stated that everyone wanted Chapman as a starter, except for DB. Maybe he will get the chance to start. Same situation as Price as the manager though. I want to see AC as a starter. I realize it could blow up in our faces, but I also believe he can be a randy johnson type. As a starter he will be able to develope his secondary pitches much better than as a closer. As a closer you dont have enough time facing batters to mess around with his other pitches. Y
• justincredible

  

  Pitching Coach: Mack Jenkins
  Hitting Coach: Paul O'Neill
  
  I think Mack Jenkins is a safe guess. Paul was apparently in contact with the Reds at some point after the Dusty firing. He seems like a guy that could potentially make a great hitting coach. He still lives in the city even though he works for the Yankees. I could see it happening and would absolutely love it.
• thavoice

  justincredible;1521774 wrote:Pitching Coach: Mack Jenkins
  Hitting Coach: Paul O'Neill
  
  I think Mack Jenkins is a safe guess. Paul was apparently in contact with the Reds at some point after the Dusty firing. He seems like a guy that could potentially make a great hitting coach. He still lives in the city even though he works for the Yankees. I could see it happening and would absolutely love it.

  Plus, didnt Paul Oneill hit two homeruns for some little sick kid in the hospital when he played for the yanks....one being an inside the parker?
• thavoice

  Oh wait....the second one was a triple with an error....