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Reds Offseason Thread---New Manager, changes etc

  • se-alum
    Meso should play every 4 out of 5, and bat 6th or 7th.
  • se-alum
    Phillips on the block?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/reds-shopping-brandon-phillips-.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
  • Ironman92
    Owner Bob (the world's nicest owner) was pretty honked off with BP for being a meanie pants to Chris Trent and also wasn't happy that Dusty didn't punish him for that.
  • Midstate01
    3 incidents just this year with Phillips
    Contract whining
    Baby mamma drama
    Media rant at ctrent

    I think its fair to say the front office is obviously fed up and resdy to move on.
    Id think best case scenario is whoever doesnt get cano (yanks or dodgers) would be very interested in phillips. But im not sure youre going to get enough back to make it worth it. But im not surprised hes being shopped and it sounds like they have every intention of trading him.
  • gport_tennis
    I'll be pissed if Brandon Phillips gets traded. My favorite player by far on the reds
  • SportsAndLady
    gport_tennis;1519893 wrote:I'll be pissed if Brandon Phillips gets traded. My favorite player by far on the reds
    Same for your first part. He's not my favorite player because some of the shit he does pisses me off. But I would be incredibly pissed if we traded him.
  • se-alum
    I'm just not sure BP would survive without Dusty as his manager. I like trying to mix things up a bit on this team. BP is aging, and if you can get a pretty good deal for him, go for it.
  • sportchampps
    BP numbers would be so much better if he was in the 2 hole. If this team trades BP and doesn't get a bat it won't even make the postseason.
  • Ironman92
    sportchampps;1520044 wrote:BP numbers would be so much better if he was in the 2 hole. If this team trades BP and doesn't get a bat it won't even make the postseason.
    I'm sorry but that's about the same as this year.
  • sportchampps
    Atleast they made the postseason it the best division in baseball without Phillips that doesn't happen
  • Ironman92
    sportchampps;1520262 wrote:Atleast they made the postseason it the best division in baseball without Phillips that doesn't happen
    Playing 1 shitty road game and going home after a crappy showing just doesn't do anything for me.

    I need an actual series.
  • Ironman92
    Well, Chris Trent was fat, now Hal McCoy is gonna be old

    http://m.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2013/10/19/for_sale_sign_on_phillips_neck.html/
  • thavoice
    sportchampps;1520044 wrote:BP numbers would be so much better if he was in the 2 hole. If this team trades BP and doesn't get a bat it won't even make the postseason.
    the only way they trade BP is to get a bat.

    Ballsy to trade a guy who drove in over 100 runs this season.

    I am not sure they can get sufficient value back from BP. Not sure how many teams who would be willing to give up what the reds need for him.
  • thavoice
    Didnt read the article before I posted.

    but his attitude doesnt surprise me. O
  • Azubuike24
    RBI's are so overrated. Frazier or Cozart could have had 100 RBI's in the positions Phillips was in.

    BTW, this was one of Phillips' worst offensive seasons and he wasn't even ranked in the top 12 in overall offensive production from a 2B.

    He can be upgraded and is NOT worth what he is being paid.
  • thavoice
    Azubuike24;1521268 wrote:RBI's are so overrated. Frazier or Cozart could have had 100 RBI's in the positions Phillips was in.

    BTW, this was one of Phillips' worst offensive seasons and he wasn't even ranked in the top 12 in overall offensive production from a 2B.

    He can be upgraded and is NOT worth what he is being paid.
    I am going to have to disagree with you on that.

    I know all you whippersnappers have all these other stats nowadays to look at and go by to make everyone else look stupid.

    I dont believe that RBIs are overrated one bit.

    You win games by scoring runs, and to do that someone has to be driving in those runs.

    BP hit .338 with RISP. Now, if he had hit lets say .250 with RISP and still drove in 100+ then yeah, I would say he didnt have that great of a year and was just a product of Choo and Votto hitting in front of them, but damn .338 is good. He was horrible with no one on, probably trying to win that Tundra for one of his many baby momma's out there.
  • Azubuike24
    Well, like I've said, you aren't going to likely find one of those 10 guys more productive than BP. However, say you find someone who can give you 80% of what he did, and makes 4M/yr.

    You can then add a prospect and divert that 9M into either upgrading elsewhere or making sure you can retain some of your other talent.

    Lets face it. There are 4 contracts crippling this team.

    1. Votto - he's here for life, the Reds wouldn't deal him nor would anyone necessarily want him at this price
    2. Broxton - he's on the shelf until at least May of 2014 and has no value
    3. Ludwick - he's coming off an injury, is 37 years old and plays the easiest position to find a hitter, thus, no value
    4. Phillips - he's still considered an elite player in all aspects, but there could be an expected dip in production and are other issues with him

    If the Reds are going to make any improvements, aside from hiring a manager, they need to do something about 1 of these 4. It would be great to keep BP and somehow move Broxton and Ludwick's contracts, but you can see why Phillips is being rumored. It's really their only avenue.
  • thavoice
    Azubuike24;1521289 wrote:Well, like I've said, you aren't going to likely find one of those 10 guys more productive than BP. However, say you find someone who can give you 80% of what he did, and makes 4M/yr.

    You can then add a prospect and divert that 9M into either upgrading elsewhere or making sure you can retain some of your other talent.

    Lets face it. There are 4 contracts crippling this team.

    1. Votto - he's here for life, the Reds wouldn't deal him nor would anyone necessarily want him at this price
    2. Broxton - he's on the shelf until at least May of 2014 and has no value
    3. Ludwick - he's coming off an injury, is 37 years old and plays the easiest position to find a hitter, thus, no value
    4. Phillips - he's still considered an elite player in all aspects, but there could be an expected dip in production and are other issues with him

    If the Reds are going to make any improvements, aside from hiring a manager, they need to do something about 1 of these 4. It would be great to keep BP and somehow move Broxton and Ludwick's contracts, but you can see why Phillips is being rumored. It's really their only avenue.
    Ludwick deal was a bad one before the ink even dried.

    Team def needs LF punch, and with Choo probably gone they also need to fill his shoes with getting on base. BH will be electric when he gets on, but will he get on enough? I dont know if he will have the green light whenever he wants.

    Hate to say it but Chapman may be their best value right now. If he is going to just be the closer then I think someone else can fill that spot and save pretty much what he did.
    I am not opposed to move BP, not at all. You cannot scoff at his .338 and 100+ this past season though. If they do though the best be getting a sure thing in return.
  • Azubuike24
    I do agree with Chapman. I also agree that Cueto, Bailey and Latos are all guys you could score something for. Latos and Bailey are FA's after 2014 and Cueto after 2015. It's unlikely all 3 would be Reds after that, at the best, 2 of them would be. If the Reds could find something for Chapman, they could use Hoover and Marshall in the back end and sign a decent reliever who can fill that setup role.

    Of those 3 SP's, I'd make sure I lock up 2 of them after shopping the other. Given how pitching is dominating the sport right now, teams would jump at the chance to grab a guy entering his prime (Bailey 27, Latos 25, Cueto 27) and build around them.
  • thavoice
    Azubuike24;1521310 wrote:I do agree with Chapman. I also agree that Cueto, Bailey and Latos are all guys you could score something for. Latos and Bailey are FA's after 2014 and Cueto after 2015. It's unlikely all 3 would be Reds after that, at the best, 2 of them would be. If the Reds could find something for Chapman, they could use Hoover and Marshall in the back end and sign a decent reliever who can fill that setup role.

    Of those 3 SP's, I'd make sure I lock up 2 of them after shopping the other. Given how pitching is dominating the sport right now, teams would jump at the chance to grab a guy entering his prime (Bailey 27, Latos 25, Cueto 27) and build around them.
    Sometimes you gotta give up something to get something. I would hate to part with those three though. If they knew if Chapman could start then maybe so, but I am always hesistant to give away very good pitching. Cingrani will be solid. I like ML, but I need to see one more good season before I pencil him in as someone you can count on in the rotation as a back end guy.

    I think one of those starters would be the absolute last chip I would play. I would consider them that last $100 bill you hide in your pocket that no one knows about at a poker game and only go to if you absolutely had to. I am a pitchers guy and dont ever want to part with solid starters.

    JC has had injury problems the last two years, and we can get the Bailey we had hoped for then I think JC would be the one I let go ONLY if it was a make or break move where the other team wouldnt take HB.
  • Azubuike24
    Devil's advocate on Cueto. If you feel you can work with him to keep him healthy, you could absolutely lock him up long-term for a far better price than you can Bailey or Latos right now. Production-wise, Cueto is way better than those 2 as well but has those health question marks.

    I do agree with you though. As long as the Reds are healthy, with a staff of Latos, Cueto, Bailey, Cingrani and Leake, they are an automatic contender regardless of what else they have.
  • se-alum
    I wonder how the Reds feel about Henry Rodriguez? Could he be the guy that comes in a fills the 2nd base spot?
  • Azubuike24
    He's horrible. He couldn't hit at Louisville. Neither him or Soto are even bench players in MLB.
  • se-alum
    Azubuike24;1521351 wrote:He's horrible. He couldn't hit at Louisville. Neither him or Soto are even bench players in MLB.
    I mean, he hit .274, and has hit over .300 in the majority of his seasons in the minors. He was better than Hamilton, by quite a bit.
  • Azubuike24
    He's a career .654 OPS hitter in the minors. Not even one of the Reds top 30 prospects, IMO. If you can't see the difference between him and Hamilton, well...