Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason Thread 2013

• hoops23

  

  Commander of Awesome;1462118 wrote:http://instagram.com/p/a6VUUJwDHV/
  
  As LCB said, not a good look. SMH

  IT's really not a big deal... People need to come to grips that these guys are all friends... It's well known that LeBron, TT, and Kyrie are all super close. These guys play basketball, it's not that serious. If they want to hang out and whatnot while not playing, what's it really matter?
  
  People seriously need to get over LeBron. He made the right choice. He's been to 3 straight Finals and has won 2 of them. Can you honestly blame him for leaving?
  
  Now, I do honestly think there's a solid chance he comes back. The talent on the Cavs is going to be better than Miami sans LeBron. Kyrie, Dion, TT, #1 pick, and whatever else we keep/add... And for anybody who says they wouldn't take LeBron back isn't a true Cleveland fan, IMO.
  
  I'm a Cleveland fan #1. I'd take Lucifer himself if it meant winning a championship finally.
• ohiobucks1

  

  BR1986FB;1462158 wrote:And you know this how?

  Sitting on a Yacht shooting the shit with Maverick, he gave us every indication possible (without saying it) that LeBron wants back in. What Maverick was worried about was DG saying no way. That's why I rooted for Miami to win this year and next. If LBJ has 3 titles, he's going to opt out and try to win over Cleveland again and win a championship without a "Big 3" to tarnish his legacy. Just wait. I personally think he does it without even winning next year, although my dad (the reason I was even around these guys in the first place) thinks he needs another first.
• BR1986FB

  hoops23;1462162 wrote:
  And for anybody who says they wouldn't take LeBron back isn't a true Cleveland fan, IMO.
  

  Bullshit. So assuming he was alive you'd take Art Modell back as an owner? If you say "yes", I'd say you're not a "true" Cleveland fan.
  
  There's also a big difference in "taking" him back and "wanting" him back. We may have no choice as far as taking him back. As far as wanting him back? No thanks.
• Fly4Fun

  

  hoops23;1462162 wrote:And for anybody who says they wouldn't take LeBron back isn't a true Cleveland fan, IMO.
  
  I'm a Cleveland fan #1. I'd take Lucifer himself if it meant winning a championship finally.

  I don't think it's necessarily that simple.
  
  Some would describe their wanting to keep LeBron off the team after the betrayal as a sign of integrity (Such as BR) while others would look at it as stubborn pride (such as yourself).
  
  It's not a simple situation and how one views it is a reflection of what their values are specifically regarding sports teams (whether it is more important to win in a certain manner or whether winning at all costs is okay).
  
  I'm guessing the same people that wouldn't mind having LeBron back also think that as long as the rules allow for it, flopping is okay. (But this is really just a theory with nothing to actually back it up).
• SportsAndLady

  

  I don't think Lebron will be back in Cleveland. But to not want him back? Wow..
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1462170 wrote:I don't think Lebron will be back in Cleveland. But to not want him back? Wow..

  Hey...Cleveland wasn't good enough for him before and he didn't have the sack to stick around. Now that his current team is gonna suck (in a few years), time to jump to a better team that's been reloaded so he can get a few more championships? Screw him....let these young guys run with it on their own and see what happens.
• GoChiefs

  

  BR1986FB;1462165 wrote:There's also a big difference in "taking" him back and "wanting" him back. We may have no choice as far as taking him back. As far as wanting him back? No thanks.

  
  Regardless of the past, why the hell wouldn't you want the best player inthe game on your team? That's just retarded.
• BR1986FB

  GoChiefs;1462178 wrote:Regardless of the past, why the hell wouldn't you want the best player inthe game on your team? That's just retarded.

  Because I'd like to see these younger kids try to do it themselves maybe? I don't want to hear the "well, yeah....the roster was upgraded but you couldn't do it without Lebron." He made his choice, and had every right to (leave). It would be a helluva lot sweeter to see Kyrie and these younger kids do it without him. I'm not one for taking the easy way out.
• GoChiefs

  

  BR1986FB;1462179 wrote:Because I'd like to see these younger kids try to do it themselves maybe? I don't want to hear the "well, yeah....the roster was upgraded but you couldn't do it without Lebron." He made his choice, and had every right to (leave). It would be a helluva lot sweeter to see Kyrie and these younger kids do it without him. I'm not one for taking the easy way out.

  
  Easy way out? It's Cleveland sports. You'd think you would want a 'ship in the city, no matter how you got it.
• BR1986FB

  GoChiefs;1462180 wrote:Easy way out? It's Cleveland sports. You'd think you would want a 'ship in the city, no matter how you got it.

  Just rather see them do it without him.
• Midstate01

  

  Im with hoops. If satan won us a championship, id take it. Winning is all that matters. Saying you wouldn't want the best player in the world is a lie. Its just that people said theyd never want him back, so they can't just change now, ,theyll look dumb
  
  Who gives a fuck!! I wanna win!
• Fly4Fun

  

  CoA just posted a realGM mock draft in the general NBA thread that still has the Cavs taking Nerlens Noel. If the Cavs do take him, does this increase or decrease the chances of LeBron comign to Cleveland? How long would it take for someone as skinny as Noel to develop the necessary muscle to go out there and not only take the abuse but stand his ground from that front lines that the Bulls or Pacers have? I feel like it could even be 3-4 years before he's ready to go toe to toe with some of the muscle that is currently out there in the Eastern conference.
• ohiobucks1

  

  Fly4Fun;1462187 wrote:CoA just posted a realGM mock draft in the general NBA thread that still has the Cavs taking Nerlens Noel. If the Cavs do take him, does this increase or decrease the chances of LeBron comign to Cleveland? How long would it take for someone as skinny as Noel to develop the necessary muscle to go out there and not only take the abuse but stand his ground from that front lines that the Bulls or Pacers have? I feel like it could even be 3-4 years before he's ready to go toe to toe with some of the muscle that is currently out there in the Eastern conference.

  I really don't think it matters either way. I think the only thin that would HURT him coming to CLE would be to draft porter and have him have a Lillard type of season bringing us semi deep into the playoffs. I really truly believe (I know you guys don't give a fuck about my "sources" but I heard it directly from his guy's mouth) that unless Dan Gilbert says no, Lebron will be back. The only way I see him saying no, is if we find a player that can both defend Lebron and take us deep into the playoffs. I think Noel/Len/Mclemore have no effect on LBJs decision next year
• Fly4Fun

  

  ohiobucks1;1462190 wrote:I really don't think it matters either way. I think the only thin that would HURT him coming to CLE would be to draft porter and have him have a Lillard type of season bringing us semi deep into the playoffs. I really truly believe (I know you guys don't give a fuck about my "sources" but I heard it directly from his guy's mouth) that unless Dan Gilbert says no, Lebron will be back. The only way I see him saying no, is if we find a player that can both defend Lebron and take us deep into the playoffs. I think Noel/Len/Mclemore have no effect on LBJs decision next year

  Eh, I feel like if the Cavs still have Luke Walton that could scare him away...
• Commander of Awesome

  

  ohiobucks1;1462190 wrote:I really don't think it matters either way. I think the only thin that would HURT him coming to CLE would be to draft porter and have him have a Lillard type of season bringing us semi deep into the playoffs. I really truly believe (I know you guys don't give a fuck about my "sources" but I heard it directly from his guy's mouth) that unless Dan Gilbert says no, Lebron will be back. The only way I see him saying no, is if we find a player that can both defend Lebron and take us deep into the playoffs. I think Noel/Len/Mclemore have no effect on LBJs decision next year

  Waiter in a downtown cle restaurant? That you Chad Ford?
• ohiobucks1

  

  Commander of Awesome;1462198 wrote:Waiter in a downtown cle restaurant? That you Chad Ford?

  Haha no. I live in the (Ohio Chatter selected) best city in Ohio - Columbus. And I have never been a waiter. I was a cook in HS, though . But no, I've just had the pleasure of meeting Lebron, and Maverick twice now. They're not nearly as bad as people make them out to be. Lebron knows he fucked up with 'The Decision'. He feels bad about it. I'm not saying its forgivable. But if he does come back to Cleveland, that's at least a start.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  ohiobucks1;1462200 wrote:Haha no. I live in the (Ohio Chatter Selected) Best city in Ohio - Columbus. And I have never been a waiter. I was a cook in HS, though . But no, I've just had the pleasure of meeting Lebron, and Maverick twice now. They're not nearly as bad as people make them out to be. Lebron knows he fucked up with 'The Decision'. He feels bad about it. I'm not saying its forgivable. But if he does come back to Cleveland, that's at least a start.

  Honestly to me it's how he came back would also factor in. He comes back with an attitude like he's doing us a favor etc, I'll be the first one to tell him to GFH.
• Heretic

  

  Commander of Awesome;1462202 wrote:Honestly to me it's how he came back would also factor in. He comes back with an attitude like he's doing us a favor etc, I'll be the first one to tell him to GFH.

  In other words, if the mayor of Cleveland proclaims his hypothetical re-signing day as LeBron James Day in Cleveland and there's a parade with him being the grand marshal and giving a speech about how he now has rings and will lead the city into prosperity, he's not getting off to a good start, eh?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Heretic;1462230 wrote:In other words, if the mayor of Cleveland proclaims his hypothetical re-signing day as LeBron James Day in Cleveland and there's a parade with him being the grand marshal and giving a speech about how he now has rings and will lead the city into prosperity, he's not getting off to a good start, eh?

  No, basically I want him to resign here bc he admits he made a mistake. A parade, LBJ day etc would be getting off to the wrong start. If he comes back (I dont give a fuck either way, and I don't think he is coming back) I want him to know he made a mistake and bent cleveland over a barrel in front of the world. He needs to apologize, say he wants to make up for his fail etc... Honestly I would rather the Cavs beat the Heat in the eastern conf fainls and win a ring on their own and for him to see how much love Irving/Cavs get for wining a ship and he realizes what a fucking fail town FAILami is and then hangs himself. Or tears his ACL in the preseason.
• lhslep134

  

  GoChiefs;1462180 wrote:Easy way out? It's Cleveland sports. You'd think you would want a 'ship in the city, no matter how you got it.

  Not for BR. Mr High and Mighty Morals is better than everyone in Cleveland because he wants the "right way" over any f*cking championship.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  PS BR I'm joking, your position on Lebron coming back isn't isolated to just you, I just disagree so I'll give you sh*t for it.
• lhslep134

  

  ohiobucks1;1462190 wrote:I really truly believe (I know you guys don't give a **** about my "sources" but I heard it directly from his guy's mouth) that unless Dan Gilbert says no, Lebron will be back.

  You and I are on the same wavelength on the issue. Of course, that makes sense both of sources revolve around the same person.
• Pick6

  

  Its really not going out on a limb saying Lebron will be back. I just hope the FO doesnt draft/sign FAs in anticipation for him to be back. I dont think they would do that, however.
• Pick6

  

  I really think its going to be Noel since the talk from the media seems to be about the Cavs doing everything but selecting him.
• mucalum49

  

  Pick6;1462296 wrote:I really think its going to be Noel since the talk from the media seems to be about the Cavs doing everything but selecting him.

  Tristan and Dion weren't discussed till the night before the last two drafts. The more talk goes towards Len the more I think they lean another way. Agree with you I think it's Noel. I'd also love to see the Cavs trade the two 2nd rounders & Gee for one year of Paul Pierce. Then still do the #19 for #13 and Marion deal. Hopefully we could get Steven Adams there too but if not trade #13 and either Kings or Griz future first to move up in a position to get him. That last trade is getting a little carried away though.
  
  But either way you have the 2013-14 Cavs:
  
  PG: Irving/Livingston
  SG: Waiters/Ellington
  SF: Pierce/Marion
  PF: TT/Noel
  C: AV/Zeller/Adams
  
  Healthy that's a playoff team. Maybe not an East contender but enough to get the young guys experience and a veteran to teach them the ropes. And hopefully ohiobucks is right...
• Pick6

  

  I've read some rumblings about the Cavs looking to sign Collison or CJ Watson in FA to back up Kyrie. I'd cream if we got Collison. Really like his game, especially as a back up.