2011 Cleveland Cavalier Offseason/Draft

• Commander of Awesome

  

  good to know. Glad we're not fucking around.
• wildcats20

  

  Commander of Awesome;779469 wrote:good to know. Glad we're not fucking around.

  
  He said the Cavs might bring in some other guys, but Irving's only scheduled workout is the Cavs. Which to me means he is an absolute lock to go #1.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Makes sense considering we have/could have (depending on trade) the 4th pick as well. I've seen us take Williams, Kanter, and a Euro guy in most mocks. I'm hoping Kanter unless a trade happens. Bigs are like Pitchers in MLB, can never have enough talented big men IMO.
• wildcats20

  

  Yeah Ford has Kanter going #4. Williams #2 and Knight #3.
• thedynasty1998

  

  NBA also requires a good 4. I think the 4 position is more important than a PG. Not saying you pass on Irving, but if they can get Kanter that's a great draft.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Already trying to set up your passive aggressive trolling I see.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;779513 wrote: I think the 4 position is more important than a PG.

  
  lol at this, name the top 5-10 players in the league, count how many are PGs and how many are PFs. lolfail.
• hoops23

  

  Fact is, if Cavs land Irving/Williams or Irving/Kanter, it'll be a great draft.
  
  The more I see of Kanter, the more I like.
• BR1986FB

  hoops23;779760 wrote:Fact is, if Cavs land Irving/Williams or Irving/Kanter, it'll be a great draft.
  
  The more I see of Kanter, the more I like.

  
  Agreed. Either of those two combos is what I'd like to see but I think Williams at 4 may be a pipe dream unless they trade up (not implying that you think Williams will fall).
• KR1245

  

  hoops23;779760 wrote:Fact is, if Cavs land Irving/Williams or Irving/Kanter, it'll be a great draft.
  
  The more I see of Kanter, the more I like.

  
  This. Guess the kid has been working his ass off in his time away from the court. 6'11 260 and 6% body fat.
  
  Hopefully Knight will impress the Jazz enough that they take him leaving Kanter there at 4
• BR1986FB

  KR1245;779773 wrote:This. Guess the kid has been working his ass off in his time away from the court. 6'11 260 and 6% body fat.
  
  Hopefully Knight will impress the Jazz enough that they take him leaving Kanter there at 4

  
  Speaking of which, there was an NBA analyst on WKNR yesterday and R&R asked him if Irving were "a lock to go #1 to the Cavs and if there were any 'red flags' on him at the combine." The source said that Irving would be going #1 and that the only red flag was that he came in "a little out of shape" at 10.2% bodyfat. LOL...@ 10.2% bodyfat the kid most likely has visible 6 pack abs. SMH
• thedynasty1998

  

  I say PF because are no true centers anymore. If you want a post presence and elite rebounder it's at the 4 position. You have guys like Amare, Dirk, Randolph, Love, Bosh, Gasol, Griffin, Aldridge, etc. That position is just stacked in the NBA an it's hard to win without that. In the playlets you have several teams with average PG play like Miami, Boston (as good as Rondo is he is an offensive liability in a half court game), Dallas, Memphis, Portland, Indiana, Lakers etc.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  No you need good players period. Look at Bosh in Toronto years, or Kevin Love right on the team with the worst record. On the other side you have CP3 playing in NO. There isn't a magic formula to win, like you need a 4/5 and pair it with a player like Fisher. You brought up Miami as avg PG play. I see LBJ/Wade playing the PG through the majority of the playoffs. IMO if LBJ could play the PG and if he did would be on my short list for top 3 PGs in the league. I would say him + wade have the best advantage at the PG spot.
  
  You then bring up Amare, with Felton I would say is avg PG play. Look where that got them. An early exit in the playoffs. Why? Because he doesn't play an oz of defense. He's legit top 5 worst defenders in the league imo. That's why he'll never win anything.
  
  Nice troll attempt though.
• thedynasty1998

  

  How is my opinion on the importance of a PF trolling? That's a rhetorical question, no need for a response.
• SportsAndLady

  

  thedynasty1998;779788 wrote:In the playlets you have several teams with average PG play like Miami, Boston (as good as Rondo is he is an offensive liability in a half court game), Dallas, Memphis, Portland, Indiana, Lakers etc.

  
  Average point guard play? Rajon Rondo is one of the best PGs in the NBA! Jason Kidd isn't playing "average" for Dallas..Mike Conley was a beast in the playoffs, one of their better players...Miami has 3 top 15 players, so it's not like a PG is really a necessity for them considering 2 of those players can play the point if they need it. Portland, Indiana, and the Lakers are long gone out of the playoffs...I bet they wished they had a better point guard?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;780000 wrote: Portland, Indiana, and the Lakers are long gone out of the playoffs...I bet they wished they had a better point guard?

  
  Yeah I bet they do. lolpwned.
• like_that

  

  lol, it's hard to believe crynasty actually played basketball.
• wes_mantooth

  

  I can't believe that anyone actually thinks that the Cavs should pass on Irving. The only scenario that I can think of is if they like the combination of Williams/Knight over Irving/Kanter.
  
  Personally, I think Irving and Kanter would be awesome.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  wes_mantooth;780020 wrote:I can't believe that anyone actually thinks that the Cavs should pass on Irving.

  
  Me either, it's "mindboggling". Esp when you consider the top players in the league, in my top 5 I would have 3 PGs. Then when you consider the MVPs of recent, Steve Nash twice, Derek Rose and even LBJ's MVPs one could make an arguement that he was basically the team's PG since he brought the ball up the court and has insane AST totals.
  
  When you consider Utah's team of recent, who was more important/valuable? Deron Williams (PG) or Boozer/Millsap (both are very good PFs leats offensively)? Its not even a question.
• thedynasty1998

  

  wes_mantooth;780020 wrote:I can't believe that anyone actually thinks that the Cavs should pass on Irving. The only scenario that I can think of is if they like the combination of Williams/Knight over Irving/Kanter.
  
  Personally, I think Irving and Kanter would be awesome.

  
  I'm not recommending that. A top PG is better than an average PF. My point is that the Cavs can fill both spots and it's imperative that they upgrade the PF position.
  
  Ad for Rondo, he's very good. But Miami exposed him because they forced that series to be played in the halfcourt. That's Rondos weakness. Also I love Conley, but he's a floor general not someone who is a difference maker and same can be said for Kidd.
  
  I understand the importance if a PG but I think there are other positions much more important and history proves that.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Miami didn't expose him...he was fucking injured.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  thedynasty1998;780048 wrote:Ad for Rondo, he's very good. But Miami exposed him because they forced that series to be played in the halfcourt. That's Rondos weakness.

  
  The whole ya know, playing with essentially one arm thing didn't help either....but yea we'll go with he was "exposed".
• thedynasty1998

  

  I never said that there are not teams who have PG's as their best players. Some people just can't debate things llwith reason.
  
  And the fact that we are using Lebron as an example of a PG proves my point. If you have a different position that can distribute the ball you don't need a PG. Dallas, Miami, Lakers are examples of that. You can ask a forward to assume the responsibilities of a PG yet you can ask a PG to assume the responsibilities of another position.
• thedynasty1998

  

  SportsAndLady;780050 wrote:Miami didn't expose him...he was fucking injured.

  
  Before he was injured they refused to guard him.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;780058 wrote:Some people just can't debate things llwith reason.

  
  No we can, you just act like an arrogant asshole and that your word is always right. Then when multiple ppl disagree with you (/pwn you for being an idiot) you get pissy and say something to this effect that we can't debate. You have a long track record of this, so no you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Get off your high horse.
  
  Rondo has limitations in his game, mid range jump shot. We know this, but to say he's not a great PG because of this is idiotic.
  
  We're using LBJ as an example of a PG bc he's a freak athlete and can play the PG position with his amazing passing ability/court vision. He's an exception, most SF can't dop what he does which is why he's a top 5 player. How do you not understand this? Durrant could not play the Point like LBJ does, Kobe couldn't, Marvin Williams can't, Rudy Gay can't, Paul Pierce def couldn't. LBJ is special. That's why he's being talked about as a PG. Nice fail.