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Cleveland Cavaliers (current) off-season rumors

  • newarkcatholicfan
    Cavs cant seem to get any known player to join the team.
  • hoops23
    wes_mantooth;431490 wrote:Cook has been a disappointment so far, not sure that it his fault or not. I thought that other than Oden, he had the best NBA style game out of Thad's bunch. I still think he will be a decent NBA player though.

    I can't really label him a disappointment simply because of the way he was handled in Miami. When given the chance, he produced.

    He's a career 36% 3 point shooter, and I think he'll help OKC out as that was one of their weakest points last season (aside from KD)..
  • hoops23
    Over the next 5 years, the Cavs have 14 draft picks. 7 1st rounders and 7 2nd rounders.. I'm guessing that number goes up and the Cavs package some of them to sweeten other deals.
  • IggyPride00
    hoops23;431819 wrote:Over the next 5 years, the Cavs have 14 draft picks. 7 1st rounders and 7 2nd rounders.. I'm guessing that number goes up and the Cavs package some of them to sweeten other deals.

    The Miami picks are essentially worthless, as they are going to be no higher than 26th at best. When you get to that point it becomes a crap shoot. If the Cavs want to get a high pick at some point, it is going to require gutting this team and putting a shitty product on the floor because glorified second round picks aren't going to bring much back. There is no Ray Allen to bring back a 5th pick (like OKC was able to do), and free agents won't come here.

    I appreciate the Cavs enthusiasm for collecting picks, but it is not going to make a whole lot of difference if they are more late first round picks. Need to find a way to get some real assets.
  • hoops23
    Those high picks you speak of will most likely be used to sweeten other deals they make or to move up in certain drafts.
  • wes_mantooth
    hoops23;431818 wrote:I can't really label him a disappointment simply because of the way he was handled in Miami. When given the chance, he produced.

    He's a career 36% 3 point shooter, and I think he'll help OKC out as that was one of their weakest points last season (aside from KD)..

    Yeah, that is kind of what I am getting at...I think he can be pretty decent in the right system.
  • devil1197
    Supposedly the Shaq/ATL talks are not dead according to a Hawks official.
  • jordo212000
    IggyPride00;431823 wrote: I appreciate the Cavs enthusiasm for collecting picks, but it is not going to make a whole lot of difference if they are more late first round picks. Need to find a way to get some real assets.

    Agreed. The picks they have been collecting are of really no use. Good players are few and far between late in the draft. They need to tank it for a season and then hope they get lucky in the lottery. The team can't succeed without getting another marquee player to build around.
  • Tigerfan00
    Its obvious that the Hawks and any other team arent going to give up much for Shaq so any interest in him is pretty much over with or some team wouldve shown more interest by now. Lets face it, Shaqs days are done in the NBA so he my as well just retire.
  • hoops23
    jordo212000;432177 wrote:Agreed. The picks they have been collecting are of really no use. Good players are few and far between late in the draft. They need to tank it for a season and then hope they get lucky in the lottery. The team can't succeed without getting another marquee player to build around.

    Again, this is false.

    Those draft picks will most likely be used to package in part of other deals or to package in deals to move up in the draft.
  • thedynasty1998
    hoops23;432433 wrote:Again, this is false.

    Those draft picks will most likely be used to package in part of other deals or to package in deals to move up in the draft.

    No offense to this post, because I think that would be the logical move, but Grant hasn't really shown much to make you think he's going to make the "right" moves.
  • devil1197
    thedynasty1998;432502 wrote:No offense to this post, because I think that would be the logical move, but Grant hasn't really shown much to make you think he's going to make the "right" moves.

    Again, give the guy more than 2 months before you start freaking out. He has shown that Cleveland won't overpay for role players, they are going young with the signings of Samuel and Eyenga, and their being patient with West and the options laid out in front of them. He is pushing to get more in return for West which is good because right now he doesn't have to jump the gun like you want him to just to make a move.
  • thedynasty1998
    devil1197;432551 wrote:Again, give the guy more than 2 months before you start freaking out. He has shown that Cleveland won't overpay for role players, they are going young with the signings of Samuel and Eyenga, and their being patient with West and the options laid out in front of them. He is pushing to get more in return for West which is good because right now he doesn't have to jump the gun like you want him to just to make a move.

    He has done nothing in 2 months other than sign Samuels.

    To say they "won't overpay for role players" is proven wrong when Matt Barnes turned them down for less money.

    I'm just really wondering what the hell Grant does all day with his time?
  • krazie45
    thedynasty1998;432560 wrote:He has done nothing in 2 months other than sign Samuels.

    To say they "won't overpay for role players" is proven wrong when Matt Barnes turned them down for less money.

    I'm just really wondering what the hell Grant does all day with his time?

    I'd rather he be doing what he is than doing whatever the hell it is they do in Minnesota. No $20 million for Darko contracts here please.
  • devil1197
    thedynasty1998;432560 wrote:He has done nothing in 2 months other than sign Samuels.

    To say they "won't overpay for role players" is proven wrong when Matt Barnes turned them down for less money.

    I'm just really wondering what the hell Grant does all day with his time?

    Obviously Barnes was going to get more money at Cleveland over the other contenders who had spent theirs. But Barnes wanted more money than what Cleveland was offering and Grant said no. The only way Barnes was going to pick Cleveland over LAL was if Cleveland offered more than the initial offer. He stood his ground and now we don't have $$$ tied up in a player that isn't a part of the future.

    You just don't understand the processes in the NBA and that's not your fault. You've said it yourself that you don't really pay attention to the NBA.

    Grant has signed Samuels and Eyenga while hiring a head coach Bryon Scott to rebuild the franchise. IMO, he talked some sense into Gilbert after the tempers died down and was able to get multiple picks from Miami that will be very important in the next couple drafts as Cleveland will pair those up to move around.

    In the end, doing nothing right now is probably better than doing something. Cleveland will trade West by the first week of August. There is already multiple offers on the table but Cleveland can wait to pick the best one. Also, Cleveland will get more value for players like Williams or Jamison if they decide to trade them at the trade deadline rather than right now. So in reality, not overpaying role players and trading guys right now when its not necessary is actually doing "something". Its doing the right thing in Cleveland's situation.
  • thedynasty1998
    devil1197;432573 wrote:Obviously Barnes was going to get more money at Cleveland over the other contenders who had spent theirs. But Barnes wanted more money than what Cleveland was offering and Grant said no. The only way Barnes was going to pick Cleveland over LAL was if Cleveland offered more than the initial offer. He stood his ground and now we don't have $$$ tied up in a player that isn't a part of the future.

    You just don't understand the processes in the NBA and that's not your fault. You've said it yourself that you don't really pay attention to the NBA.

    Grant has signed Samuels and Eyenga while hiring a head coach Bryon Scott to rebuild the franchise. IMO, he talked some sense into Gilbert after the tempers died down and was able to get multiple picks from Miami that will be very important in the next couple drafts as Cleveland will pair those up to move around.

    In the end, doing nothing right now is probably better than doing something. Cleveland will trade West by the first week of August. There is already multiple offers on the table but Cleveland can wait to pick the best one. Also, Cleveland will get more value for players like Williams or Jamison if they decide to trade them at the trade deadline rather than right now. So in reality, not overpaying role players and trading guys right now when its not necessary is actually doing "something". Its doing the right thing in Cleveland's situation.

    Fact is that the Cavs offered Barnes more money, when you just claimed the Cavs are not going to overpay for a role player who isn't a part of the future.

    Let's not pretend that Grant had anything to do with the hiring of Scott. That was all Gilbert.

    Eyenga was drafted last year, so let's not make that bigger than what it is. They are supposed to sign their first round picks. And Samuels went undrafted, can we please quit pretending that he is a key piece for the future. He went undrafted for a reason.

    Who are the offers for West? All I've really heard was Sessions and Koufos. Do you expect something better?
  • thedynasty1998
    Just saw this article on ESPN that details the additions and key losses of each team:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=transactions-10-11

    The Cavs are the only team to not add a player (apparently they don't count a guy that was drafted last year and signing and undrafted rookie), despite losing the best player in the game.
  • devil1197
    thedynasty1998;432619 wrote:Just saw this article on ESPN that details the additions and key losses of each team:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=transactions-10-11

    The Cavs are the only team to not add a player (apparently they don't count a guy that was drafted last year and signing and undrafted rookie), despite losing the best player in the game.

    What moves do you want Cleveland to make all mighty know it all of basketball (you were scouted by NBA guys wow)?

    Free agency rarely has young talent that Cleveland is looking at acquiring. Most of these guys are superstars, older vets looking for rings, or players just getting out of their rookie contract deals. The players Cleveland are interested in to rebuild the franchise are still under contract.

    Cleveland offered Barnes more money than LAL because LAL couldn't offer more. That's all the money they had left and they offered it all to Barnes. Cleveland still had 5+ million of the MLE and they weren't going over what their initial offer was, so yes they ARE NOT going to overpay for role players. They offered him what they felt he was worth, if you believe thats overpaying then sorry don't know what to tell you.

    The only known "purposed" deal is with Minnesota for West but Windhorst said Cleveland is looking at 3-4 deals currently that would move West from the Cavs.
  • thedynasty1998
    devil1197;432622 wrote:Free agency rarely has young talent that Cleveland is looking at acquiring. Most of these guys are superstars, older vets looking for rings, or players just getting out of their rookie contract deals. The players Cleveland are interested in to rebuild the franchise are still under contract.

    What the hell does that even mean? So, who do the Cavs want? They don't want superstars, vets, or players getting out of their rookie contracts? So, the Cavs are going to exclusively go after guys just getting out of their 2nd contract? I don't even know what the hell you are trying to say?

    ESPN had 80 unrestricted free agents listed, and you want to tell me the Cavs had no interest in any of them, other than Matt Barnes who took less money?

    I get you want to defend Grant and the Cavs, but they are looking like one of the worst run teams in the NBA right now. They have the biggest free agent they will ever see, yet don't make any moves to try to get him to stay. And once he leaves, they just stay put.

    I don't want to say make a move to make a move. But do something!

    We are really talking about the signing of Samuels of proof of the direction the franchise is heading towards? So they are going to target guys no one else wants? Makes sense to me.
  • grodt
    thedynasty1998;432630 wrote: I get you want to defend Grant and the Cavs, but they are looking like one of the worst run teams in the NBA right now. They have the biggest free agent they will ever see, yet don't make any moves to try to get him to stay. And once he leaves, they just stay put.

    I don't want to say make a move to make a move. But do something!

    We are really talking about the signing of Samuels of proof of the direction the franchise is heading towards? So they are going to target guys no one else wants? Makes sense to me.
    They could not sign anyone before LeBron left. They had no cap space. They tried to work a S/T with multiple teams but nothing came through. And since it is now obvious that LeBron was never staying, I'm glad they didn't blow more money on a aging guy to plug a hole. And after he left it would be stupid for the future to try to sign "stop-gaps" because they wouldn't help the future of the team. Instead they stock-piled draft picks, some of which they will use and others they will trade in packages for players when they are in a better position to compete.

    Sure it sucks that we haven't signed anyone and that just makes it clearer that we're going to struggle for awhile, but the days of over-paying for marginal talent in free agency are over. They are going to get young, draft well and then sign free agents for market value that will complement the pieces that they already have.
  • thedynasty1998
    grodt;432641 wrote:They could not sign anyone before LeBron left. They had no cap space. They tried to work a S/T with multiple teams but nothing came through. And since it is now obvious that LeBron was never staying, I'm glad they didn't blow more money on a aging guy to plug a hole. And after he left it would be stupid for the future to try to sign "stop-gaps" because they wouldn't help the future of the team. Instead they stock-piled draft picks, some of which they will use and others they will trade in packages for players when they are in a better position to compete.

    Sure it sucks that we haven't signed anyone and that just makes it clearer that we're going to struggle for awhile, but the days of over-paying for marginal talent in free agency are over. They are going to get young, draft well and then sign free agents for market value that will complement the pieces that they already have.

    Well said, and I actually agree with what you are saying. I don't think there is anything wrong with building through the draft.

    However, I don't buy that they couldn't sign anyone before Lebron left. I also don't buy that Lebron had his mind made up. If somehow Bosh ended up in Cleveland, Lebron would have stayed. I don't blame Grant for that, I just don't think Lebron knew for certain as soon as the season ended that he was going to Miami, like some tend to believe.

    I understand it is going to take a couple years of bad teams to get better, but it seems like they are delaying that process by having a borderline playoff team with the current roster. Drafting in the 10-20's isn't going to make the impact that they need. And signing Eyenga and Samuels are not moves that prove anything and certainly don't make one optimistic about the future.
  • lhslep134
    thedynasty1998;432630 wrote:What the hell does that even mean? So, who do the Cavs want? They don't want superstars, vets, or players getting out of their rookie contracts? So, the Cavs are going to exclusively go after guys just getting out of their 2nd contract? I don't even know what the hell you are trying to say?

    ESPN had 80 unrestricted free agents listed, and you want to tell me the Cavs had no interest in any of them, other than Matt Barnes who took less money?

    I get you want to defend Grant and the Cavs, but they are looking like one of the worst run teams in the NBA right now. They have the biggest free agent they will ever see, yet don't make any moves to try to get him to stay. And once he leaves, they just stay put.

    I don't want to say make a move to make a move. But do something!

    We are really talking about the signing of Samuels of proof of the direction the franchise is heading towards? So they are going to target guys no one else wants? Makes sense to me.

    Your entire post pretty much tells me you have literally 0 clue what it takes to run a successful NBA team. I can't profess that I know how to, but I can certainly point out things that will guarantee a LACK OF SUCCESS:

    1. Grossly over for a free agent. You don't see the Celtics, Lakers, Magic, or Spurs do this. You DO see the Warriors, T'Wolves, etc. do this.

    2. Trade players who are going to give you significant minutes this year unless you can find a deal that benefits the team more.


    Because the Cavs didn't do either of these 2 things, I can say that ownership and the front office is at the very least competent, which is a lot more than about 12-15 other teams in the league can say.

    Sometimes the best moves are the ones not made, and I think you'll see that in the Cavaliers this season and into the future. Lebron's refusal to either inform the Cavs of his plans or commit to a future in Cleveland prevented free agents from coming into Cleveland over the past few years (Trevor Ariza among them), so even though Cleveland tried to put talent around Lebron, Lebron made it next to impossible to do so.

    You keep being ignorant to how much Lebron truly handcuffed the Cavs, and I just can't see why.

    I firmly believe as soon as it was conceivable that Miami could land 3 "max" players, that is where Lebron and Bosh wanted to go. When that exact point was, it's tough to say, but it's pretty easy to read between the lines of what sportswriters (most especially the PD's own Windy) said, and that is Lebron had his mind made up a while ago, and in that time period refused to commit to the future of the Cavs and that is what handcuffed them.
  • Commander of Awesome
    thedynasty1998;432653 wrote: However, I don't buy that they couldn't sign anyone before Lebron left.

    Thats because youre a fucking buffoon who talks out of his ass and refuses to understand the governing rules of the NBA and how the cap structure operates. I am glad other ppl are catching on to how god damn dumb you are. You have been repeatedly getting pwned and schooled by almost everyone on these boards but your head is so far up your ass you can't even realize.
  • thedynasty1998
    Commander of Awesome;432670 wrote:Thats because youre a fucking buffoon who talks out of his ass and refuses to understand the governing rules of the NBA and how the cap structure operates. I am glad other ppl are catching on to how god damn dumb you are. You have been repeatedly getting pwned and schooled by almost everyone on these boards but your head is so far up your ass you can't even realize.

    You are an idiot. First off, I was one of the few who were saying how unrealistic a S&T was with Bosh or a trade with Paul. Cavs fans wanted to believe that they had a bunch of pieces in places to make a move, yet they didn't get anything done.

    And you are the only one dumb enough to think I was talking about signing a free agent. They could have made a trade without anyone's approval other than the team who had the rights.
  • Commander of Awesome
    thedynasty1998;432653 wrote:However, I don't buy that they couldn't sign anyone before Lebron left.

    Guess that explains how it took you 5 years to graduate from freaking Ashland University.