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Another Mass Shooting possibly terrorism

  • lhslep134
    QuakerOats;1767150 wrote: A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks.

    It is NOT racial profiling, it is CRIMINAL profiling (just like the Israeli's do at their airports etc), and it is the right thing to be doing.

    So at the end of the day you don't believe this is racist.


    Good luck.
  • lhslep134
    Quaker has no ability whatsoever to comprehend thoughts that are not his own.
  • sleeper
    lhslep134;1767398 wrote:Quaker has no ability whatsoever to comprehend thoughts that are not his own.
    The statement as written is pretty bad and definitely a racist statement. Not sure that makes QO a racist; we've all said things that are probably a poor choice of words. Of course, the irony is the PC culture only has one way and if you don't follow that way you are a racist/sexist/etc and they try to ruin your life. D

    Being PC is as bad as being racist.
  • lhslep134
    sleeper;1767399 wrote:The statement as written is pretty bad and definitely a racist statement. Not sure that makes QO a racist; we've all said things that are probably a poor choice of words.
    You're right on both counts. It wasn't his initial statement that makes him a racist. It's QQ denying that the initial statement, which you agree is definitely racist, is racist.

    His denial is the indicator of racism, because often times racist people are incapable of appreciating the racism in what they say/do.
  • sleeper
    lhslep134;1767400 wrote:You're right on both counts. It wasn't his initial statement that makes him a racist. It's QQ denying that the initial statement, which you agree is definitely racist, is racist.

    His denial is the indicator of racism, because often times racist people are incapable of appreciating the racism in what they say/do.
    I follow.

    QO, do you regret the statement that lhs has highlighted?
  • lhslep134
    Both sides arguing here agree that legitimately suspicious activity should be reported, regardless of the nationality.
  • isadore
    Glory Days;1767260 wrote:His wife was from Pakistan. The guy had been to Saudi Arabia only twice, for his pilgrimage and to pick up his wife when they got married.
    she moved to Saudi Arabia when she was four.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    It's a complicated issue here. Not every member of The Religion of Peace is a homicidal/suicidal maniac. However the percentage that appear to be blow the socks off any actuarial table. The Religion of Peace espouses hate in its mainsream tenents and that makes it hard to tell which followers are toying with massacre ideas. It is a sick, twisted system that should be scary to anyone with common sense.
  • Glory Days
    SportsAndLady;1767273 wrote:Lol @ glory's post.

    Yeah, I'm sure they were just industrially walking pipes into their apartment. And the neighbor's definitely knew their schedules and thought, "hmm, the Malik's don't have any plumbing scheduled--because I would totally know their maintenance schedules--and they're bringing in some pipes. Honey get me the phone, these guys are terrorists what's the number for the FBI?"

    Random people showing up at night? Oh? You mean friends? I mean, are we seriously to report neighbor's who have friends who come over at night? LOL

    And are we to believe they threw thousands of rounds of ammunition in the fucking trash can on the corner?

    Jesus Christ you've gotta be the worst cop on this planet.
    Well this response makes sense since I bet you get your idea of what police work is by watching Law and Order. I am sure if you saw these people walking into your neighbor's house:

    you would dismiss it as just friends getting together.
  • Glory Days
    isadore;1767404 wrote:she moved to Saudi Arabia when she was four.
    yeah and then went back to Pakistan as an adult. Then listed a fake Pakistan address on her visa application. I don't care where her parents took her or where she lived as a kid.
  • friendfromlowry
    What a dumb fucking thread.
  • CenterBHSFan
    lhslep134;1767384 wrote:I may get critiqued on here for nit-picking words.
    Well, I can't speak for anybody else but I'm not going to complain only about that.

    From the very first page of this thread you just could not stop yourself from starting crap with people - people who didn't even post on the thread yet. I don't give a fuck if you know words. I don't give a fuck that you don't like somebody. You've (and I guess to your credit, you're not the only one who did/does this) oversaturated the damn market with your preemptive, immediate and accute hostility. To the point where it's no longer "cute" nor clever.
    The fact that right at the beginning of a terrible thing, you had to be a jackass, says all that there is to say. And then you've got the audacity to call other people out. Fucking ridiculous.
  • isadore
    Glory Days;1767421 wrote:yeah and then went back to Pakistan as an adult. Then listed a fake Pakistan address on her visa application. I don't care where her parents took her or where she lived as a kid.
    gosh a ruddies she was 27, 20 years of her life were lived in Saudi Arabia. And that his where she connected with her husband.
    "One of Malik’s uncles, Javed Rabbani, said Malik’s father, Gulzar, changed while the family was living in Saudi Arabia.
    “When relatives visited him, they would come back and tell us how conservative and hard-line he had become,” Rabbani said in an interview with Reuters."

    https://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/accused-california-shooter-tashfeen-malik-lived-in-saudi-arabia-for-years/
  • Belly35
    Glory Days;1767420 wrote:Well this response makes sense since I bet you get your idea of what police work is by watching Law and Order. I am sure if you saw these people walking into your neighbor's house:

    you would dismiss it as just friends getting together.
    Two points of interest:
    If i was flying over a area and saw a convoy of 10 or 20 white pick up truck .... that would be a target
    Check to see what manufacture has sold the most white pick up truck in the last two years ... have them stop supporting ISIS
    Big marketing news flash ISIS drives ......
  • lhslep134
    CenterBHSFan;1767460 wrote:
    From the very first page of this thread you just could not stop yourself from starting crap with people - people who didn't even post on the thread yet.

    And yet I was not only right about what Belly was going to post, but also right for calling QO's post racist and calling him racist for denying the racist nature of his post.

    You can bitch and moan all you want, but I was right. Please continue to QQ from your high horse though.
  • SportsAndLady
    Glory Days;1767420 wrote:Well this response makes sense since I bet you get your idea of what police work is by watching Law and Order. I am sure if you saw these people walking into your neighbor's house:

    you would dismiss it as just friends getting together.
    LOL

    Yeah I'm sure they were marching in and out of those apartments just like that, AK's a blazin.

    "Hi glory, I'm earth, have we met?"
  • CenterBHSFan
    lhslep134;1767474 wrote:And yet I was not only right about what Belly was going to post, but also right for calling QO's post racist and calling him racist for denying the racist nature of his post.

    You can bitch and moan all you want, but I was right. Please continue to QQ from your high horse though.
    No. You started it, you have perpetuated it. This is all on you. Again, you don't have to like anybody on this forum, or their posts. It's not your fucking job, one way or another, although I guess you can take that option if you need to.
    You can either act like a jackass and keep the shit going or you can just ignore those who don't matter to you in any way.

    Most people, aside from maybe three? ...four? Don't give a fuck how right you believe/say you are. Laughable that you bring up *my* highhorse.

    Got to be fucking kidding me with this...
  • lhslep134
    It's an Internet forum where you're getting your panties in a huge bunch over what myself and some other posters posted.


    So yes, you are on a high horse right now, and it's hilarious. Please continue explaining to us, and me specifically, how serious this business is.
  • Heretic
    Glory Days;1767420 wrote:Well this response makes sense since I bet you get your idea of what police work is by watching Law and Order. I am sure if you saw these people walking into your neighbor's house:

    you would dismiss it as just friends getting together.
    Please tell me you were really drunk when you posted it or at least going for Sleeper's usual "hilarious exaggeration to make point" gimmick, because if not, you might have hit a whole new level of stupidity where you apparently learned everything about police work from an Arnie film. I think about anyone here would agree if you saw masked, armed people going in and out of a house, that is suspicious and worthy of reporting to someone in authority. I'd also consider the concept of guys dressed like that running around a neighborhood while in the planning stages utterly laughable. I'd say the main argument on this thread comes down to these points:

    1. The common sense theorem that people with actual, working brains who are planning this sort of violent assault aren't going to try to attract any sort of suspicion before the fact and, therefore, will keep any activities on the down-low and likely have a plausible-sounding alibi in case any neighbors would have suspicions. "Oh, we have some family/friends from the east coast vacationing out west, so they're spending a few evenings/nights hanging out with us." or something like that. Only so many virgins to go around; no one is getting their supply if they get busted before leaving their house due to the neighbor seeing their big "BBQ: ISIS MEMBERS ONLY, BYOB" banner flying in their yard.

    2. A vaguely-phrased statement from an article that the right wing politard crowd here is twisting to fit their personal agenda. Where a guy is quoted as saying he noticed strange people in the area, but dismissed it since he didn't want to racially profile them. To me, that read: "Some Middle Easternish neighbors are having Middle Eastern strangers over. In this day and age, that's the sort of thing that's hard to ignore, but they don't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary, so there's no reason I should harass them just based on nationality". Some on this site took it another way, making the leaps of faith necessary to deduce he saw definitely suspicious activity and was afraid to say anything because the PC Police would humiliate him. While it's cute watching people jacking off over tragedy because their little politard brain sees a way to use it to strike a blow against progressives (THE TRUEEEEEE EEEEEEVVVVVIIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!) and all, no one still has posted a legit link verifying that their "read between the lines" rendition has any legitimacy.

    That is the big problem with these things -- they're good at keeping things on the down-low until it's time. The Syed dude in this event, from looking him up on Google Images, appeared like a regular, normal guy. Go back a ways and the guy that survived the Boston Marathon bombing looked like a normal college student. Both seemed to have normal friends/acquaintances who were shocked to hear they'd been involved in terrorism activities. Now, on the flip side, go to the white terrorist who shot up the Planned Parenthood in Colorado. That guy looks completely deranged from his mug shot, but no one stopped/profiled him before he started shooting.

    If people aren't going to be able to stop a guy who looks like that from reaching his objective and starting to gun people down, how are they logically going to stop plots of normal-seeming people who seem to be competent at fitting in with regular society? Seems that might be the sort of thing a person in law enforcement might want to be more concerned about, as opposed to going full retard to "prove" a point that's flawed to begin with.
  • CenterBHSFan
    @above: I'm not even concerned about any of that.

    What concerns me is that the woman got through on a fiancée visa with false information. I guess they don't really investigate things much. Just make sure some names, genders (although in today's trans society, you can't even be too sure of that) (Oh! that must mean I'm a bigot lel) and pictures match seems to be the only requisites.
    In today's paper it says that our government does not intend to make "any meaningful" changes to the vetting process. If our government isn't willing to make any sort of meaningful changes, I guess we're just going to have to wait until more events such as this occur. And then lament, yet again.

    @lhslep134:
    It's an Internet forum where you're getting your panties in a huge bunch over what myself and some other posters posted.

    Mhmmm
  • Tiernan
    Radicalized bitches could easily recruit your run of the mill US Sand Thugger and get these bearded fucks to come over to ISISville and bring 'em back to raise chaos by challenging the Sand Thiuger's manhood which sounds like exactly what happened here. Let's make it illegal to wear head scarves and the robes bullshit...of course then Wal Mart would lose 40% of their customers.
  • fish82
    Watching CenterBHSFan put ihslep over her knee is pretty amusing.
  • Rotinaj
    CenterBHSFan;1767501 wrote:@above: I'm not even concerned about any of that.

    What concerns me is that the woman got through on a fiancée visa with false information. I guess they don't really investigate things much. Just make sure some names, genders (although in today's trans society, you can't even be too sure of that) (Oh! that must mean I'm a bigot lel) and pictures match seems to be the only requisites.
    In today's paper it says that our government does not intend to make "any meaningful" changes to the vetting process. If our government isn't willing to make any sort of meaningful changes, I guess we're just going to have to wait until more events such as this occur. And then lament, yet again.

    @lhslep134:


    Mhmmm
    What changes do you expect them to make? Full investigations into every person applying for a visa?
  • Tiernan
    Rotinaj;1767692 wrote:What changes do you expect them to make? Full investigations into every person applying for a visa?
    If The Donald gets in the changes will be...Don't bother to apply, we ain't taking no more.
  • HitsRus
    ^^^Well, yes. If you want some degree if security in the United States you are going to have to be careful who we let in.
    Moreover, I suggest, that we profile in doing so. These are non citizens and I don't think we need to extend to them the same rights and protections that we afford our citizens... And this includes the time they are in our country as visitors.
    The big problem is that this administration will not admit that we are at war with radical Islam.., to the point of not even saying the word. We need to act like we are at war... Not sidestep it. These radical groups are not contained, controlled, on the run, or defeated.