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Another Mass Shooting possibly terrorism

  • sleeper
    j_crazy;1767018 wrote:i know you're joking, but you just KNOW someone is dumb enough to make that argument.
    Then you will have someone come on and here and say "We need to do something about this!"
  • majorspark
    If the initial reports are true and there are three well armed gunmen in body armor and a plan to escape the scene, this is not the act of some mentally ill individual with a gun.
  • wildcats20
    Police are saying 14 dead and at least 14 others injured.
  • majorspark
    Reading reports that a Christmas party for county employees was going on at the time.
  • Wolves of Babylon
    sleeper;1767047 wrote:Then you will have someone come on and here and say "We need to do something about this!"
    What we need is to have a discussion about this.

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  • Belly35
    My daughter who works in the developmental disabled health field think this building was an administration, counselors, social workers and job shop type building.

    Plenty of non developmental disabled individuals capable of protecting the innocent if provided with the proper training and equipment. Also if the proper training of staff members in terrorist attack procedures or a plan was in place more lives would be saved.
    We as a society cant take attack like this without a plan, civilian support and training any longer.
  • Apple
    majorspark;1767055 wrote:Reading reports that a Christmas party for county employees was going on at the time.
    We're talking California here... most likely an early solstice party or at best a holiday party. No way it was a Christmas party!
  • Automatik
    Belly35;1767057 wrote:My daughter who works in the developmental disabled health field think this building was an administration, counselors, social workers and job shop type building.

    Plenty of non developmental disabled individuals capable of protecting the innocent if provided with the proper training and equipment. Also if the proper training of staff members in terrorist attack procedures or a plan was in place more lives would be saved.
    We as a society cant take attack like this without a plan, civilian support and training any longer.
    How would we go about this training? Who would pay for it? Who would be involved? What would qualify someone to undergo such training?
  • lhslep134
    Automatik;1767059 wrote:How would we go about this training? Who would pay for it? Who would be involved? What would qualify someone to undergo such training?
    IMO it's futile to discuss rational issues with an irrational person (see Pro Sports Forum, anything with Manziel and Footwedge). But by all means, continue, because his irrationality is entertaining lol
  • Apple
    I was about to say that I didn't think belly would advocate to have persons with mental disabilities be armed. That said, it sounds like he knows a little more about it than I or even some (most?) here on the OC.

    I do believe, like Belly, that an armed public is for the betterment of the community. These so-called "Gun-Free Zones" shout out to people who want to do harm that here is an easy target!

    If there is the possibility that an armed citizen is around then there is the possibility that less harm may be done.
  • Apple
    Automatik;1767059 wrote:How would we go about this training?
    A good place to start may be have those who know teach those who don't? What a stupid question!
    Automatik;1767059 wrote:Who would pay for it?
    How about starting by having those who want to get trained pay for it themselves? Why put the responsibility on others when you can, and should, do it yourself? or maybe you're having a case of the entitlement feelz?
    Automatik;1767059 wrote:Who would be involved? What would qualify someone to undergo such training?
    Anyone who wants to be assertive enough to take the personal initiative to want to protect him/herself and protect others!

    Geez… almost sounds like you want the government to get involved in something you have the right to do yourself!

    /rant
  • sportchampps
    There's a chase underway
  • sportchampps
    Can hear lots of shots fired over police scanner also calling for medical help now
  • sportchampps
    I think they caught one
  • lhslep134
    Apple;1767064 wrote:
    If there is the possibility that an armed citizen is around then there is the possibility that less harm may be done.
    If there is the possibility that I am Santa Clause, then there is the possibility I will be giving you presents this Christmas.

    Both statements are equally provable.
  • lhslep134
    Apple;1767066 wrote: Why put the responsibility on others when you can, and should, do it yourself? or maybe you're having a case of the entitlement feelz?

    Why allow the possibility of an untrained person, still licensed to own and operate a gun, returning fire in a crowded area?

    Learning how to use a gun is one thing. Learning how to accurately shoot under pressure is a completely different thing. I suppose to you and Belly though, there's no difference.
  • sportchampps
    Sound like they stopped the car probably shot 1 in the car one outside the car and maybe 1 still running officer down as well. Sounds like a minor gun shot
  • lhslep134
    lhslep134;1767070 wrote:If there is the possibility that I am Santa Clause, then there is the possibility I will be giving you presents this Christmas.

    Both statements are equally provable.
    The point of this post is to show that the narrative proffered by Apple is as equally provable as me proving I'm Santa Clause.
  • lhslep134
    sportchampps;1767072 wrote:Sound like they stopped the car probably shot 1 in the car one outside the car and maybe 1 still running officer down as well. Sounds like a minor gun shot
    Are you following on the local news? Just curious how you learned what the police scanner is saying.
  • sportchampps
    From the police scanner
  • sportchampps
    They don't think anyone was running now it sounds like
  • sportchampps
    Guy in truck still alive with AR strapped to him also hearing about pipe bombs
  • lhslep134
    sportchampps;1767075 wrote:From the police scanner

    Do you live around there? If so, I completely missed that the first time around.
  • friendfromlowry
    Belly35;1767057 wrote:My daughter who works in the developmental disabled health field think this building was an administration, counselors, social workers and job shop type building.

    Plenty of non developmental disabled individuals capable of protecting the innocent if provided with the proper training and equipment. Also if the proper training of staff members in terrorist attack procedures or a plan was in place more lives would be saved.
    We as a society cant take attack like this without a plan, civilian support and training any longer.
    I see your daughter left out the part where the people that staff this industry are typically women, sometimes older, and out of shape. Still feeling confident in training them to ward off attackers with combat gear and assault rifles? Look, you want to propose we eliminate gun free zones and more people get their CCW's, then I'd agree it'd help. But your half-ass plan of "providing proper training and equipment" in this scenario isn't making a difference.
  • sportchampps
    More shots fired it sounds like