Another Mass Shooting possibly terrorism

• QuakerOats

  FBI announces that the San Bernardino, Calif., massacre is now being treated as "an act of terrorism."
  
  
  
  Uh oh ..........now the FBI faces potential prosecution from obama's AG.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I'm not saying the PC culture that's being created isn't a problem. Hell I started a thread on it, saying how awful those people can be.
  
  My issue on this thread is with QO and sleeper claiming PC culture caused this massacre.
  
  And yes, South Park has been great this season (first good one in a while). The safe space song is on my phone as a ring tone.
• QuakerOats

  Didn't say that either, whatsoever. Terrorist shooters caused the massacre .........(not even the guns).
• sleeper

  

  SportsAndLady;1767372 wrote:I'm not saying the PC culture that's being created isn't a problem. Hell I started a thread on it, saying how awful those people can be.
  
  My issue on this thread is with QO and sleeper claiming PC culture caused this massacre.
  
  And yes, South Park has been great this season (first good one in a while). The safe space song is on my phone as a ring tone.

  It's certainly a possibility that this could have been prevented if we didn't have such a PC culture based on the comments from the neighbor. Not sure why this is being argued or why you can't follow.
• SportsAndLady

  

  sleeper;1767374 wrote:It's certainly a possibility that this could have been prevented if we didn't have such a PC culture based on the comments from the neighbor. Not sure why this is being argued or why you can't follow.

  Oh I follow. I've followed you this whole time. You're right, PC culture is the worst. I'm just not ready to blame 14 murders on the PC culture, though. Which is apparently what you are doing.
• lhslep134

  

  QuakerOats;1767369 wrote:BULLSHIT

  No it's not. These are your exact words:
  

  QuakerOats;1767150 wrote: A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks.
  
  It is NOT racial profiling, it is CRIMINAL profiling (just like the Israeli's do at their airports etc), and it is the right thing to be doing.

  Your original post, quoted above, is definitive evidence that:
  

  j_crazy;1767353 wrote:QO ipmlied that they should have been reported for being muslim with the initial post that started this tangent.

• QuakerOats

  lhslep134;1767376 wrote:No it's not. These are your exact words:
  
  
  
  Your original post, quoted above, is definitive evidence that:

  
  
  Incorrect. He said that I "implied they should be reported for being muslim". That is completely false.
• lhslep134

  

  QuakerOats;1767347 wrote:142

  
  142 doesn't address this:
  

  QuakerOats;1767150 wrote: A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks.
  
  It is NOT racial profiling, it is CRIMINAL profiling (just like the Israeli's do at their airports etc), and it is the right thing to be doing.

  Post 142 only addresses suspicious activity.
  
  Now, if you really want to say that 142 is a response to your original post, then you are explicitly saying that a group of middle eastern men is, in and of itself, "suspicious".
  
  Considering the lack of comprehension you've exhibited in attempting to deny your obvious racism, it makes sense.
• lhslep134

  

  QuakerOats;1767377 wrote:Incorrect. He said that I "implied they should be reported for being muslim". That is completely false.

  
  How so? Your original post said it is not racial profiling for the neighbor to have reported noticing a half-dozen middle eastern men.
  
  That's all your post said. NO mention of suspicious or illegal activity. If you can find something suspicious or illegal about a half-dozen middle eastern men being present in a neighborhood and nothing more, which you explicitly did, then you're racist.
• lhslep134

  

  Is QQ actually this dense or is he stumbling over himself trying to distance himself from his original and racism infused post?
• sleeper

  

  SportsAndLady;1767375 wrote:Oh I follow. I've followed you this whole time. You're right, PC culture is the worst. I'm just not ready to blame 14 murders on the PC culture, though. Which is apparently what you are doing.

  The blame for the incident lies solely with the terrorist; the opportunity at preventing it can be blamed on our PC culture based on the statements from the neighbor.
• QuakerOats

  lhslep134;1767379 wrote:How so? Your original post said it is not racial profiling for the neighbor to have reported noticing a half-dozen middle eastern men.
  
  That's all your post said. NO mention of suspicious or illegal activity. If you can find something suspicious or illegal about a half-dozen middle eastern men being present in a neighborhood and nothing more, which you explicitly did, then you're racist.

  The neighbor obviously felt something was odd, or strange, or abnormal, or suspicious .......otherwise he would not have commented as he did. Thus by default, it was more than just seeing some middle eastern men. Most here inherently understood that from the get-go, thus all else falls into line. [And no one, not me nor the neighbor quoted, ever said "they should be reported for being muslim"; that is false and you know it, and even you can prove that to yourself].
  
  You are the one who wants to pick fly shit out of the pepper in an attempt to brazenly label someone a racist, unfortunately you are barking up the wrong tree.
• sherm03

  

  sleeper;1767381 wrote:The blame for the incident lies solely with the terrorist; the opportunity at preventing it can be blamed on our PC culture based on the statements from the neighbor.

  Extending out this logic a bit then: the opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on our pro-gun culture based on statements from Conservatives blocking any type of reform to current laws. The opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on the shop owner that these people bought the gun from. And hell, the opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on the manufacturer of the gun.
  
  See how retarded that sounds?
• lhslep134

  

  QuakerOats;1767382 wrote:The neighbor obviously felt something was odd, or strange, or abnormal, or suspicious .......otherwise he would not have commented as he did. Thus by default, it was more than just seeing some middle eastern men.

  Your use of "obvious" and "by default" shows your complete inability to use logic. I may get critiqued on here for nit-picking words, but that's because I understand the logical underpinnings of every word I use. That is a skill you are grossly lacking.
  
  Your statement completely disregards the possibility that he only thought it was reportably suspicious after the fact. But since you haven't let logic get in your way up to this point, why would you let it now?
  
  Your original post contained nothing more than just seeing some middle eastern men, and you explicitly stated reporting them being together is NOT racial profiling. THAT is indisputably racist. Of course, the fact you're still disputing it only adds to the sense I get that you're too racist to even realize it. Then again, that's how most racists are.
• Belly35

  

  I just read on the OC that a group of OC people are calling someone whom they never meet, know very little if anything about this OC participant, potentially misinterpret this individual comments, assumed the intention but has now quickly label him as a racist. Wow! Those same individuals PROFILE individual with poor spelling and grammar as they assume as stupid without any knowledge of the individual.
  
  All good… PROFILING is good when used by those who never profile.
• lhslep134

  

  Belly35;1767385 wrote: poor spelling and grammar as they assume as stupid without any knowledge of the individual. .

  
  If you use poor grammar and spelling you are more likely than not stupid. Belly, I'm not apologizing for saying you're nowhere near as intelligent as you think you are.
• queencitybuckeye

  sherm03;1767383 wrote:Extending out this logic a bit then: the opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on our pro-gun culture based on statements from Conservatives blocking any type of reform to current laws. The opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on the shop owner that these people bought the gun from. And hell, the opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on the manufacturer of the gun.
  
  See how retarded that sounds?

  Surprisingly (or not), a number of people I know who are otherwise functional, bright humans do not. They don't get, for example:
  
  1. Conflating a crazy person killing a bunch of people and a terrorist act as "the gun problem" is not going to yield a solution to either. They're two different things as much as some don't understand or don't admit understanding.
  2. California is one of the most (if not the most) restrictive states in the union in terms of firearms.
  3. The terrorists broke hundreds if not thousands of laws including murder. Why would any rational human think there is some law that criminals would obey?
• QuakerOats

  queencitybuckeye;1767387 wrote:Surprisingly (or not), a number of people I know who are otherwise functional, bright humans do not. They don't get, for example:
  
  1. Conflating a crazy person killing a bunch of people and a terrorist act as "the gun problem" is not going to yield a solution to either. They're two different things as much as some don't understand or don't admit understanding.
  2. California is one of the most (if not the most) restrictive states in the union in terms of firearms.
  3. The terrorists broke hundreds if not thousands of laws including murder. Why would any rational human think there is some law that criminals would obey?

  
  
  
  Bingo
• QuakerOats

  lhslep134;1767384 wrote:Your use of "obvious" and "by default" shows your complete inability to use logic. I may get critiqued on here for nit-picking words, but that's because I understand the logical underpinnings of every word I use. That is a skill you are grossly lacking.
  
  Your statement completely disregards the possibility that he only thought it was reportably suspicious after the fact. But since you haven't let logic get in your way up to this point, why would you let it now?
  
  Your original post contained nothing more than just seeing some middle eastern men, and you explicitly stated reporting them being together is NOT racial profiling. THAT is indisputably racist. Of course, the fact you're still disputing it only adds to the sense I get that you're too racist to even realize it. Then again, that's how most racists are.

  
  Bewilderingly thickheaded.
  
  
  
  And 14 still not coming home for Christmas.
• QuakerOats

  sherm03;1767383 wrote:Extending out this logic a bit then: the opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on our pro-gun culture

  
  No, because that is not a logical extension. A logical extension would be that arming responsible people at places of public congregation makes sense in that they have the ability to stop terrorists at some point, thereby saving lives.
  
  Every time we have a mass shooting it occurs at places where 'guns are not permitted'. These gun-free zones are perfect target-rich environments for terrorists and the like. Logic says, eliminate these target-rich environments.
• lhslep134

  

  QuakerOats;1767389 wrote:Bewilderingly thickheaded.
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  Expected response to justified criticism from someone whose logic is flawed and who refuses to acknowledge the racism contained in one of his posts.
• Heretic

  

  SportsAndLady;1767358 wrote:Sleeper is doing nothing different than what a lot of political people do--use mass killings and other tragic events to prove a political point, and reaching while doing so.
  
  Like when Obama gets up there and talks about how we need tougher gun laws because of a school shooting. Just pushing an agenda using a tragic event.
  
  The reality is this: I blame these two criminals and terrorists for being psychos and killing a bunch of innocent people. I blame no one else. But go ahead sleeper, keep blaming this on "us", for being the PC crowd! That's definitely what killed 14 people. Smh

  That's the annoying thing about these arguments. You have a random killing with guns involved and some people automatically take the "ban guns!!!" slant, despite minor facts such as criminals planning to kill people aren't going to pay attention to any gun ban AND that the majority of gun owners are responsible citizens. Therefore, not a viable logical solution -- just loud pandering of personal political views to people.
  
  Or with this case, you have people taking a vaguely-worded excerpt from a story in which a guy, after the fact, made mention he noticed people there, but didn't want to racially profile them and didn't say anything and deciding to fill in any blanks with their own beliefs, so in their minds, he apparently noticed said people doing suspicious stuff but was afraid to say anything because PC SOCIETY would crucify him. Once again, no viable logical solution -- just loud pandering of personal political views to people.
  
  End result: More shootings happen, no one has anything intelligent to say, everyone goes crazy twisting and turning everything so it fits their personal political views, ensuring nothing gets accomplished because you're getting a bunch of idiots yelling about stupid shit.
  
  (a): Well, yeah, bad people are killing others, but THE REAL PROBLEM is you Righties and your insistence on having guns!!!!
  
  (b): Well, yeah, bad people are killing others, but THE REAL PROBLEM is you Lefties and your insistence on being PC!!!!
  
  Fucking idiots, one and all.
• sleeper

  

  sherm03;1767383 wrote:Extending out this logic a bit then: the opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on our pro-gun culture based on statements from Conservatives blocking any type of reform to current laws. The opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on the shop owner that these people bought the gun from. And hell, the opportunity at preventing it can also be blamed on the manufacturer of the gun.
  
  See how retarded that sounds?

  Based on the statements from the neighbor. You aren't being clever, you just don't know how logic works.
• sleeper

  

  It's really no different than the clock kid. If a white kid brings a bomb clock look-a-like to school, he is arrested and expelled. If a muslim kid does it, he is racially profiled, gets internships, free stuff from tech companies, and a visit to the white house(in addition to a $15M lawsuit + request for written apology).
  
  But yeah, PC is good for our culture. Let's protect feelz over people!
• QuakerOats

  lhslep134;1767391 wrote:Expected response to justified criticism from someone whose logic is flawed and who refuses to acknowledge the racism contained in one of his posts.

  So at the end of the day you mistakenly believe I am a racist. Not the worst thing that could happen.
  
  
  Good luck.