Duck Dynasty, will Phil's interview doom the show?
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thavoice
you are correct.isadore;1557678 wrote:for the majority of Americans it will happen a lot sooner than 50 years. They accept gay marriage now.
Unfortunately. -
isadore
the levels of sinner are large.First. Judas Second. Hitler 14,705 th. Phil Robertson 2,886,474,516th me.Con_Alma;1557637 wrote:My question is what are the levels you refer to? -
Apple
To ask a question maybe more in line with the thread topic, Why do liberals go after Christians with such ferocious intensity (like this DD case) and then don't bat an eye when one of their own rich, in the public eye people do equally or more personal attacks (like that Boshire(sp) guy on CNN and Baldwin)?
My answer would be one that dove-tails into Sherm's question/thavoice's response, where by with the liberalization and relaxing of people's moral compass's, liberals and Democrat progressives feel threatened by an infringement on their increasing popularity and power so they feel the need to viciously strike back and destroy age-old American and Christian ideals. My gut tells me that for many who elected the current crop of leaders in Washington did not realize that this would be the result of their hope and change vote. -
sherm03
I think your question is more of a sign of human nature. If someone from the opposite side does something wrong, a person is more likely to speak out and point out that the other side is wrong. I don't think anyone defended Bashir or Baldwin (as evidenced by the fact that neither one has their job anymore and nobody really cares). But they aren't going to have the same outcry when someone from their side does something wrong because it makes them look bad. That's not just in politics...that's in everything. When a player from your favorite team does something wrong, most people will want to defend them or make it seem less severe to save face. But if someone from a rival team does something wrong, people will call them out on it and act very indignant. Happens all the time.Apple;1557683 wrote:To ask a question maybe more in line with the thread topic, Why do liberals go after Christians with such ferocious intensity (like this DD case) and then don't bat an eye when one of their own rich, in the public eye people do equally or more personal attacks (like that Boshire(sp) guy on CNN and Baldwin)?
My answer would be one that dove-tails into Sherm's question/thavoice's response, where by with the liberalization and relaxing of people's moral compass's, liberals and Democrat progressives feel threatened by an infringement on their increasing popularity and power so they feel the need to viciously strike back and destroy age-old American and Christian ideals. My gut tells me that for many who elected the current crop of leaders in Washington did not realize that this would be the result of their hope and change vote.
As for your your second point. Sometimes age-old American ideals are just wrong when looking back in hindsight. And the same thing with Christian ideals. Why is there such a resistance to evolving and reevaluating your stance on topics? -
sherm03
Why unfortunately?thavoice;1557680 wrote:you are correct.
Unfortunately. -
GoPens
People have different moral compasses and it's a slippery slope when one side accuses the other of immorality or tells the other that they are wrong for believing in what ever morals they have.Apple;1557683 wrote:To ask a question maybe more in line with the thread topic, Why do liberals go after Christians with such ferocious intensity (like this DD case) and then don't bat an eye when one of their own rich, in the public eye people do equally or more personal attacks (like that Boshire(sp) guy on CNN and Baldwin)?
My answer would be one that dove-tails into Sherm's question/thavoice's response, where by with the liberalization and relaxing of people's moral compass's, liberals and Democrat progressives feel threatened by an infringement on their increasing popularity and power so they feel the need to viciously strike back and destroy age-old American and Christian ideals. My gut tells me that for many who elected the current crop of leaders in Washington did not realize that this would be the result of their hope and change vote.
Its probably unlikely but will we ever reach a point where people respect each other and mind their own fucking business?? -
Apple
1. You aren't able to to come up with a better response than a back-handed inference of me being a homophobe and racist? Nice!isadore;1557677 wrote:1. Hopefully your views are not homophobic and racist like Mr. Robertson
2.. Phil was using a list from First Corinthians to which he added Bestiality charge in order to demonstrate his hatred of gays. As can be seen in his 2010 sermon attacking gays and lesbians with outrageous charges including claiming they are murderers. The man is a hater and a homophobe. (both sermon and interview are found on this thread)
3. Observing a car accident is a momentary experience. Phil grew up in Jim Crow Caddo parish. He is there for decades. Every day the signs of segregation are there. The history of racial violence is there. The Klan is there. The incidents of black resistance are recurring. And he claims only to see happy blacks, never singing the blues. “None are so blind as those who will not see.” He has the selective memory of an arch racist. He is a liar.
2. From what I heard, the question that got his bestiality response was immediately after the homosexual response which made the bestiality answer sound like an addition to the homosexual answer. But if you are not lying about him quoting First Corinthians, this only proves he was responding as he felt his Christian beliefs tell him to do so. In America he has that right. In America you also have a right not to listen to him. Seems silly you would get all worked up over it. Maybe we all just need to be more like the military guy who, when confronted by the anti-war protester, says, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it".
3. I grew up in Ohio and have been here for decades. There are signs here of segregation too. There has been racial violence here too. The Klan may be in Caddo parish, but we have democrats here too. Not sure what you mean by black resistance. Have the blacks I have worked with, as the ones Phil says he worked with, seemed happy? Yes. I am not lying! I am most assuredly not a racist! I am willing to give Phil the benefit of the doubt that he is not either as well. -
isadoreApple;1557698 wrote:1. You aren't able to to come up with a better response than a back-handed inference of me being a homophobe and racist? Nice!
2. From what I heard, the question that got his bestiality response was immediately after the homosexual response which made the bestiality answer sound like an addition to the homosexual answer. But if you are not lying about him quoting First Corinthians, this only proves he was responding as he felt his Christian beliefs tell him to do so. In America he has that right. In America you also have a right not to listen to him. Seems silly you would get all worked up over it. Maybe we all just need to be more like the military guy who, when confronted by the anti-war protester, says, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it".
3. I grew up in Ohio and have been here for decades. There are signs here of segregation too. There has been racial violence here too. The Klan may be in Caddo parish, but we have democrats here too. Not sure what you mean by black resistance. Have the blacks I have worked with, as the ones Phil says he worked with, seemed happy? Yes. I am not lying! I am most assuredly not a racist! I am willing to give Phil the benefit of the doubt that he is not either as well.
1.backhanded?Apple wrote:1. You aren't able to to come up with a better response than a back-handed inference of me being a homophobe and racist? Nice!
2. From what I heard, the question that got his bestiality response was immediately after the homosexual response which made the bestiality answer sound like an addition to the homosexual answer. But if you are not lying about him quoting First Corinthians, this only proves he was responding as he felt his Christian beliefs tell him to do so. In America he has that right. In America you also have a right not to listen to him. Seems silly you would get all worked up over it. Maybe we all just need to be more like the military guy who, when confronted by the anti-war protester, says, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it".
2.
First Corinthians verse 6 through 11
But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7
Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8
Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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The obvious source for
　 Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”
Read More
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2o4DXHsLH
He chose to add Bestiality because he is a homophobe.
Robertson in 2010: " Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil."
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His phobia for gays caused him to add bestiality to his GQ interview and to call them murderers in his 2010 interview. He attacks gays and lesbians as persons.
No one is denying this scumbag the right to speak. What you are demanding is that he can indulge in his homophobic and racist rants without retort from his fellow citizens. You want him to express his bigotry, but others not to exercise their right of expression in reaction to his hatefulness. -
Commander of Awesome
Link?isadore;1557681 wrote:the levels of sinner are large.First. Judas Second. Hitler 14,705 th. Phil Robertson 2,886,474,516th me. -
Commander of Awesome
isadore;1557724 wrote:1.backhanded?
2.
First Corinthians verse 6 through 11
But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7
Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8
Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
[URL="file://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=0684ce2837c054d34aab4a7a8850c3ac&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ohiochatter.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F43324-Duck-Dynasty-will-Phil-s-interview-doom-the-show%2Fpage13&v=1&libId=4cd830ec-12be-48ff-adf3-5fb51da42853&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingjamesbibleonline.org%2F1-Corinthians-Chapter-6%2F&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ohiochatter.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F43324-Duck-Dynasty-will-Phil-s-interview-doom-the-show%2Fpage14&title=Duck%20Dynasty%2C%20will%20Phil's%20interview%20doom%20the%20show%3F%20-%20Page%2013&txt=%3Cu%3E%3Cfont%20color%3D%22%230000ff%22%3Ehttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingjamesbibleonline.org%2F1-Corinthians-Chapter-6%2F%3C%2Ffont%3E%3C%2Fu%3E&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_138758747428811"]http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-Chapter-6/[/URL]
The obvious source for
　 Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”
Read More
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2o4DXHsLH
He chose to add Bestiality because he is a homophobe.
Robertson in 2010: " Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil."
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His phobia for gays caused him to add bestiality to his GQ interview and to call them murderers in his 2010 interview. He attacks gays and lesbians as persons.
No one is denying this scumbag the right to speak. What you are demanding is that he can indulge in his homophobic and racist rants without retort from his fellow citizens. You want him to express his bigotry, but others not to exercise their right of expression in reaction to his hatefulness.
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isadore
Do you actually know what Jim Crow Laws are? It is dejure segregation, segregation enforced by law. Those “whites only” and ‘colored restroom” stuff was the law in Caddo Parish and most of the South, enforced by police and the courts. It was enforced by police and the courts. It extended to education, jobs, public facilities and social interaction. Extralegal organizations like the Klan acted with impunity enforcing racist social mores. Blacks who resisted did so under great threat to their lives and well being. You never grew up with de jure segregation in Ohio. Phil Robertson born in 1946 most definitely did in Caddo Parish, Louisiana. Shreveport was its largest city.Apple wrote:3. I grew up in Ohio and have been here for decades. There are signs here of segregation too. There has been racial violence here too. The Klan may be in Caddo parish, but we have democrats here too. Not sure what you mean by black resistance. Have the blacks I have worked with, as the ones Phil says he worked with, seemed happy? Yes. I am not lying! I am most assuredly not a racist! I am willing to give Phil the benefit of the doubt that he is not either as well.
Phil Robertson, “" I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."
He is a liar.
He went to segregated schools, he used segregated facilities. He had opportunities black person could not have at the time. Gosh he even got a scholarship to a segregated University. If he saw nothing it was by choice.
Despite what Phil said their was violent intimidation of blacks in Caddo, there was black resistance and even a black man singing the blues:
Nevertheless, this history is alive and
well in Caddo Parish, Louisiana, the site of the last capital of the Confederacy
and of widespread, brutal hate crimes during the turn of the century.
The supposedly bygone era of slavery and the Confederacy
continues to influence the administration of justice in Louisiana, where
the Confederate flag flies over the parish courthouse at which lynching
once occurred and where death sentences continue to be meted out along
racial lines… Site of the Colfax Massacre —in which at least 150 newly-freed blacks were slaughtered by whites….Caddo includes both the
rural areas of North Louisiana, notorious for the Ku Klux Klan’s omnipresence.
In 2011Citizens must pass under the Confederate flag in order to enter the
Caddo Parish Courthouse in downtown Shreveport.
http://www3.law.harvard.edu/journals/hjrej/files/2012/11/HBK104.pdf
Northwest Louisiana (including Caddo Parish) are centers for the KKK.
http://books.google.com/books?id=UzEyYC82NRIC&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=caddo+parish+kkk&source=bl&ots=2VbUd9nRb_&sig=1QqiXTGjpb_Is4yzPjaaq7vHnL4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2Dy4UrvXHomzsQTM1YGYCQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=caddo%20parish%20kkk&f=false
In 1963, headlines across the country reported that Sam Cooke was arrested after his band tried to register at a "whites-only" Holiday Inn in Shreveport.[9] In the months following, Cooke recorded the civil rights era song, "A Change Is Gonna Come".
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1960
Shreveport Trade School integrated: Tax-supported, tuitionfree
school on Hope Street ordered to admit black students.
New Orleans schools are integrated. Crosses are burned in
Shreveport in front of all-black Booker T. Washington High
School and the Caddo Parish School Board office.
1961 — Freedom Riders try to desegregate Trailways bus
staion in Shreveport; arrests are made.
1964 — Civil Rights Act passes, and provisions force all
schools to integrate or lose federal funding. Bossier segregation
challenged after two black mothers try to enroll
their five children in all-white Kerr Elementary School.
1965—Caddo segregation challenged by the Rev. E. Edward
Jones, who files suit on behalf of his daughter, Beryl,
calling for desegregation of Caddo Parish schools. Arthur
Burton, Brenda Braggs and Beryl Jones become the first black
students to attend an all-white school in Caddo Parish.
1972—Another suit is filed on behalf of Beryl N. Jones,
charging the Caddo School Board with “failing to implement
a court-ordered nondiscriminatory, unitary school system.”
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/assets/pdf/D9212101920.PDF
　
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isadore
right to my heart.Commander of Awesome;1557726 wrote:Link? -
isadore
yepCommander of Awesome;1557728 wrote: -
Commander of Awesome
That doesn't make sense as an answer to my question. Were you aware that you suffered from comprehension issues?isadore;1557730 wrote:right to my heart. -
isadore
Comprehension issues, I don't understand what you mean.Commander of Awesome;1557733 wrote:That doesn't make sense as an answer to my question. Were you aware that you suffered from comprehension issues? -
Devils Advocate
May a thousand pit bulls use your scrotum for a chew toy. -
isadore
gosh I hope not.Devils Advocate;1557783 wrote:May a thousand pit bulls use your scrotum for a chew toy. -
LJ
IM ISADORE AND I POST THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER TO PROVE MY POINT. -
isadore
gosh you are using all capital letters.LJ;1557799 wrote:IM ISADORE AND I POST THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER TO PROVE MY POINT. -
OSH
Those were his experiences. He had first-hand experience of working with black people in the farms. he even said he grew up white trash and had nothing. He worked right alongside individuals that had the same, only a different color. How can you deny what he experienced first-hand? Why would he say otherwise about who he worked with?isadore;1557729 wrote:Do you actually know what Jim Crow Laws are? It is dejure segregation, segregation enforced by law. Those “whites only” and ‘colored restroom” stuff was the law in Caddo Parish and most of the South, enforced by police and the courts. It was enforced by police and the courts. It extended to education, jobs, public facilities and social interaction. Extralegal organizations like the Klan acted with impunity enforcing racist social mores. Blacks who resisted did so under great threat to their lives and well being. You never grew up with de jure segregation in Ohio. Phil Robertson born in 1946 most definitely did in Caddo Parish, Louisiana. Shreveport was its largest city.
Phil Robertson, “" I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."
He is a liar.
He went to segregated schools, he used segregated facilities. He had opportunities black person could not have at the time. Gosh he even got a scholarship to a segregated University. If he saw nothing it was by choice.
During his time of segregation, is not the same time as what we know now. Many weren't integrated and many didn't "sing the blues" as he put it. How is that so hard to believe? How can you say anything else about his experiences? Did you live with him? Were you there with him? What documentation do you have that proves his story otherwise? I can't wait to see another "source" that is completely illegible due to your sucky copy and paste attempts. -
Con_Alma
There no biblical reference of these particular people being designated as a level of sin.isadore;1557681 wrote:the levels of sinner are large.First. Judas Second. Hitler 14,705 th. Phil Robertson 2,886,474,516th me. -
believer
Correct. There is no such thing as "levels of sin".Con_Alma;1557817 wrote:There no biblical reference of these particular people being designated as a level of sin. -
pmoney25
If there are no levels of sin, why do the commandments exist? If Murder is equal to masturbation why isn't there a thou shall not masturbate commandment? -
pmoney25
Also doesn't Jesus tell Pilate that those who brought him to Pilate committed the greater sin?
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isadore
true and their separation the Catholic Church, who the majority of Christians belong, between moral and venial sin. So obviously there are different levels of sin.pmoney25;1557820 wrote:If there are no levels of sin, why do the commandments exist? If Murder is equal to masturbation why isn't there a thou shall not masturbate commandment?