Duck Dynasty, will Phil's interview doom the show?

• isadore

  LJ;1557415 wrote:Catholics are the worst

  gosh really, I know some very nice Catholics.
• GoPens

  

  LJ;1557415 wrote:Catholics are the worst

  I'm beginning to think all Christians are. Dear God, please save me from your "followers".
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557418 wrote:gosh really, I know some very nice Catholics.

  
  Me too!
• GoPens

  

  LJ;1557415 wrote:Catholics are the worst

  Dear God, please save me from your "followers". I'm beginning to think God is very disappointed in all religions these days.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557417 wrote:To subscribe to a doctrine that is not Catholicism and deciding to not move towards Catholicism does not constitute hate any more than someone choosing to not move towards being a protestant is hateful. It takes more than holding a difference to truly have hate. I would gladly stand arm in arm with catholics most anytime I might have a chance.
  
  Mr. Robertson admittance of sins and answering questions about his beliefs are no greater or worse than the thoughts words and actions you and I perform on a daily daily basis.

  the nor will I ever be seems a rather harsh statement. Calling gay folks hateful terms like murderer and comparing them to practitioners of bestiality seems particularly hateful Especially when he seeks out an audience for his hateful sermon. And his lying description of life in one of the most violent racist areas of the Jim Crow South should be considered sinful
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557420 wrote:Me too!

  it is just their beliefs you loath
• Con_Alma

  It may indeed seem that way to you but harshness is subjective. Using a "softer" statement may be less harsh but wouldn't change the intent of satisfaction in the the theology I have accepted and having no desire to leave it.
  
  No matter the sin Mr. Robertson has committed, understanding that all men are born into sin and it being unavoidable makes you and I as much of a sinner as he is.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557423 wrote:it is just their beliefs you loath

  
  Loath? Quite the opposite. I respect it and hope they do mine...but that is for them individually to decide.
• LJ

  

  isadore;1557418 wrote:gosh really, I know some very nice Catholics.

  Nope. You have to be a fucking nutcase to believe some of the stuff the catholic church tries to shove down your throat.
  
  Husband beat the hell out of you and you get a divorce, but the church has to decide if they approve of the divorce and allow you to get married? Crazy
  
  Priests raping little boys? Crazy.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557424 wrote:It may indeed seem that way to you but harshness is subjective. Using a "softer" statement may be less harsh but wouldn't change the intent of satisfaction in the the theology I have accepted and having no desire to leave it.
  
  No matter the sin Mr. Robertson has committed, understanding that all men are born into sin and it being unavoidable makes you and I as much of a sinner as he is.

  But millions have lived in ignorance like you and having accepted a false belief system and have no desired to leave it.
  
  "nor will I ever be." seems a deadend in a search for the truth.
  I don't know about you, but I am not as big a sinner as a lying racist homophobe like Phil Robertson
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557425 wrote:Loath? Quite the opposite. I respect it and hope they do mine...but that is for them individually to decide.

  you seem to have a harsh attitude toward the Church
• isadore

  LJ;1557426 wrote:Nope. You have to be a fucking nutcase to believe some of the stuff the catholic church tries to shove down your throat.
  
  Husband beat the hell out of you and you get a divorce, but the church has to decide if they approve of the divorce and allow you to get married? Crazy
  
  Priests raping little boys? Crazy.

  it seems that any organized belief system has had abuses.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557427 wrote:But millions have lived in ignorance like you and having accepted a false belief system and have no desired to leave it.
  
  "nor will I ever be." seems a deadend in a search for the truth.
  I don't know about you, but I am not as big a sinner as a lying racist homophobe like Phil Robertson

  I believe I have found the truth. That in and of itself is the end.
  
  Thinking you are no more of a sinner than any other man might be akin to a lack of truth. You can't avoid sin any more than Mr. Robertson or me.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557428 wrote:you seem to have a harsh attitude toward the Church

  What appears from opinion doesn't necessarily equal what is.
• LJ

  

  isadore;1557429 wrote:it seems that any organized belief system has had abuses.

  Now that is something I will agree with you on
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557431 wrote:I believe I have found the truth. That in and of itself is the end.
  
  Thinking you are no more of a sinner than any other man might be akin to a lack of truth. You can't avoid sin any more than Mr. Robertson or me.

  but Phil found more sin and became an active practitioner of gender and racial hatred.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557432 wrote:What appears from opinion doesn't necessarily equal what is.

  we only have your words to form the basis of judgement
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557436 wrote:we only have your words to form the basis of judgement

  
  You will be empty of all other proof if it's only these words on this bulletin boards you rely upon. I wish you luck.
  
  Your judgment will be what you wish it to be.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557435 wrote:but Phil found more sin and became an active practitioner of gender and racial hatred.

  Mr. Robertson's actions have no bearing on our ability to avoid sin. No matter what he does, you and I will sin in either thought word or action and be as guilty as any other man except for Christ himself.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557437 wrote:You will be empty of all other proof if it's only these words on this bulletin boards you rely upon. I wish you luck.
  
  Your judgment will be what you wish it to be.

  I know it is not much, but it is the complete basis I have for forming a judgment of you.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557439 wrote:I know it is not much, but it is the complete basis I have for forming a judgment of you.

  Agreed in that it's not much. Being judged by others, however, is hardly a concern of mine when contributing to a discussion of person's making up pop culture. Maybe that's why such little supporting evidence is offered.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557438 wrote:Mr. Robertson's actions have no bearing on our ability to avoid sin. No matter what he does, you and I will sin in either thought word or action and be as guilty as any other man except for Christ himself.

  Mr. Robertson by using his national platform to spread his message of hate has helped to increase sin more than we average folk.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557441 wrote:Mr. Robertson by using his national platform to spread his message of hate has helped to increase sin more than we average folk.

  
  ...and yet his sin is no greater volume than you or I will purport.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557440 wrote:Agreed in that it's not much. Being judged by others, however, is hardly a concern of mine when contributing to a discussion of person's making up pop culture. Maybe that's why such little supporting evidence is offered.

  I guess that is just the way it is.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557444 wrote:...and yet his sin is no greater volume than you or I will purport.

  according to what you believe.