Duck Dynasty, will Phil's interview doom the show?

• O-Trap

  

  isadore;1556888 wrote:right, Mr. Robertson richly deserves being reamed.

  Thank you for demonstrating what hate looks like. Robertson stated a claim that Y deserves X.
  
  You've done the same.
  
  Hate for hate? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
• OSH

  

  isadore;1556879 wrote:3. Gosh from previous statements it would seem if anything he would consider homosexuality worse than bestiality. He may have even consider bestiality “the gateway drug.” to the abomination of homosexuality.
  “
  Robertson in 2010: " Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil."
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  And he is very condemning the person not the act.
  4.
  He seemed to say they were happy "despite their circumstances," implying that their circumstances were, indeed, not the motivations for them being happy
  He grew up in the Jim Crow South. He saw the segregated facilities, the segregated schools,
  he knew what would happen to any black person who stepped out of line,
  He is from Caddo Parish
  Nevertheless, this history is alive and
  well in Caddo Parish, Louisiana, the site of the last capital of the Confederacy
  and of widespread, brutal hate crimes during the turn of the century.
  The supposedly bygone era of slavery and the Confederacy
  continues to influence the administration of justice in Louisiana, where
  the Confederate flag flies over the parish courthouse at which lynching
  once occurred and where death sentences continue to be meted out along
  racial lines… Site of the Colfax Massacre
  —in which at least 150 newly-freed blacks were slaughtered by whites….Caddo includes both the
  rural areas of North Louisiana, notorious for the Ku Klux Klan’s omnipresence.
  In 2011Citizens must pass under the Confederate flag in order to enter the
  Caddo Parish Courthouse in downtown Shreveport.
  http://www3.law.harvard.edu/journals/hjrej/files/2012/11/HBK104.pdf
  Northwest Louisiana (including Caddo Parish) are centers for the KKK.
  http://books.google.com/books?id=UzEyYC82NRIC&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=caddo+parish+kkk&source=bl&ots=2VbUd9nRb_&sig=1QqiXTGjpb_Is4yzPjaaq7vHnL4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2Dy4UrvXHomzsQTM1YGYCQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=caddo%20parish%20kkk&f=false
  His home area has a long history of extreme violence against blacks up to the present. I think we can IMPLY from his statements an attempt to cover up the intimidation of the black community. They lived under a regime of terror..\
  He is both a homophobe and a racist.
  　
  

  Someone needs to learn how to copy/paste AND learn how to make legible posts.
  
  Or...just quit posting.
• isadore

  O-Trap;1557092 wrote:There is no logical framework to support this, or at least none which you have articulated.
  
  Most of this thread, you've just shown two quotes from broader messages and assumed the conclusion without drawing it.
  
  I provided a framework for my assertions. You've not. Try again.
  
  
  
  I'd submit that we, as a human collective, fit this mold: We receive in ourselves the due penalty for our wickedness. We're full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. We are insolent, arrogant, and often God-haters. We are heartless, senseless, and ruthless. We invent ways of doing evil.
  
  Claiming wrongdoing, even calling it evil, is not hate. I do evil. Paul admits to doing evil. So does David ... in fact, he admits to BEING evil in his heart.
  
  Granted, I understand that you, being full of nothing but love and compassion, may not be evil like the rest of us in the world, but I would at least hope you can see the distinction between pointing out what one thinks are imperfections in another and the former hating the latter.
  
  You can infer what you wish, but it is speculation at most. I infer only that which he explicitly states, because I prefer to assume as much innocence in my fellow man as possible, while recognizing that it is never fully present. As such, I will not assume malevolence, though you seem to be able to do so.
  
  
  
  You've spelled out the circumstances, but answer me this one question: Is it impossible for someone who has been forced to live under such circumstances to be happy?
  
  In essence, can a person be happy IN SPITE of their circumstances? If so, then what you've just stated changes nothing as to whether or not he was simply being truthful about those with whom he worked. Plainly stated truth carries no bias and furthers no agenda. Our interpretations of fact and truth are what do that.
  
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  Actually, it's "INFER" there. And we have insufficient evidence to cover anything up, so long as we're approaching the topic logically. You've continued to list facts, but you have yet to offer one single iota of evidence that a person could not, by any stretch, find happiness under such trying circumstances.
  
  I urge you to do so if you are able.
  
  
  
  You perhaps can know the thoughts that others have not articulated. Reading minds like that is a gift, and you should spread it.
  
  But forgive the rest of us if we cannot do the same, and must rely on logic and empirically sensed communication in order to know the sentiments of others. And forgive us if we do not simply take your word for it.

  Of course there is a logical framework for that statement. Mr. Robertson in his sermon attacks gays as being for one thing full of murder. I would think bestiality would be a lesser gateway sin to being “full of murder.”
  Mr. Robertson is not identifying these as being the sins of mankind but specific group. Lesbians and Gays
  Committed indecent acts, they are full of murder, They invent ways of doing evil.
  Robertson vilifies them. That is an act of hatred toward a specific group of people.
  Gosh Mr. Robertson on black in Caddo Parish, “
  they were happy; no one was singing the blues."
  Well Sam Cooke was.
  In 1963, headlines across the country reported that Sam Cooke was arrested after his band tried to register at a "whites-only" Holiday Inn in Shreveport.[9] In the months following, Cooke recorded the civil rights era song, "A Change Is Gonna Come".
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreveport,_Louisiana
  There was a civil right movement in the Parish. And their efforts were being repressed.
  Louis Christopher Pendleton
  (October 13, 1931 - January 14, 2007) was an African-American dentist, businessman, and civic leader in Shreveport, Louisiana, who organized the civil rights movement in his city through the formation of the interest group known as "Blacks United for Lasting Leadership", which lobbied on behalf of racial justice
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pendleton
  1960
  Shreveport Trade School integrated: Tax-supported, tuitionfree
  school on Hope Street ordered to admit black students.
  New Orleans schools are integrated. Crosses are burned in
  Shreveport in front of all-black Booker T. Washington High
  School and the Caddo Parish School Board office.
  1961 — Freedom Riders try to desegregate Trailways bus
  staion in Shreveport; arrests are made.
  1964 — Civil Rights Act passes, and provisions force all
  schools to integrate or lose federal funding. Bossier segregation
  challenged after two black mothers try to enroll
  their five children in all-white Kerr Elementary School.
  1965—Caddo segregation challenged by the Rev. E. Edward
  Jones, who files suit on behalf of his daughter, Beryl,
  calling for desegregation of Caddo Parish schools. Arthur
  Burton, Brenda Braggs and Beryl Jones become the first black
  students to attend an all-white school in Caddo Parish.
  1972—Another suit is filed on behalf of Beryl N. Jones,
  charging the Caddo School Board with “failing to implement
  a court-ordered nondiscriminatory, unitary school system.”
  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/assets/pdf/D9212101920.PDF
  　
  Photo Caption
  Shreveport Public Safety Commissioner George D’Artois (in dark suit) confers with top
  local law officialsoutside a memorial service at the Little Union Baptist Church on Sept.
  22, 1963. D’Artois had refused a permit to hold a memorial march for four girls killed in
  a bomb blast in Birmingham, Ala., several days earlier. When people showed up at the
  church and it appeared a march would be held anyway, a tense confrontation ensued.
  SPECIAL
  No, blacks of Caddo Parish were not all happy.
  Phil Robertson is a lying homophobe and racist but I am sure you will find a way to excuse or hide it.
  
• isadore

  OSH;1557108 wrote:Someone needs to learn how to copy/paste AND learn how to make legible posts.
  
  Or...just quit posting.

  no
• isadore

  O-Trap;1557094 wrote:Thank you for demonstrating what hate looks like. Robertson stated a claim that Y deserves X.
  
  You've done the same.
  
  Hate for hate? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

  my meaning of ream
  to criticize someone.
  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ream
  by your light, you are yourself being hateful.
• Belly35

  

  OSH;1557108 wrote:Someone needs to learn how to copy/paste AND learn how to make legible posts.
  
  Or...just quit posting.

  isadore has not real thoughts or ideas, non thinker he just spews what someone else tells him to regurgitate.
• OSH

  

  Belly35;1557117 wrote:isadore has not real thoughts or ideas, non thinker he just spews what someone else tells him to regurgitate.

  I just wish he'd do it legibly. I guess it also would be nice if there wasn't as much plagiarism too.
• said_aouita

  

  All this nonsense was a marketing ploy. Phil will be back on the show after the holidays.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557109 wrote:Of course there is a logical framework for that statement. Mr. Robertson in his sermon attacks gays as being for one thing full of murder. I would think bestiality would be a lesser gateway sin to being “full of murder.”
  Mr. Robertson is not identifying these as being the sins of mankind but specific group. Lesbians and Gays
  Committed indecent acts, they are full of murder, They invent ways of doing evil.
  Robertson vilifies them. That is an act of hatred toward a specific group of people.
  Gosh Mr. Robertson on black in Caddo Parish, “
  they were happy; no one was singing the blues."
  Well Sam Cooke was.
  In 1963, headlines across the country reported that Sam Cooke was arrested after his band tried to register at a "whites-only" Holiday Inn in Shreveport.[9] In the months following, Cooke recorded the civil rights era song, "A Change Is Gonna Come".
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreveport,_Louisiana
  There was a civil right movement in the Parish. And their efforts were being repressed.
  Louis Christopher Pendleton
  (October 13, 1931 - January 14, 2007) was an African-American dentist, businessman, and civic leader in Shreveport, Louisiana, who organized the civil rights movement in his city through the formation of the interest group known as "Blacks United for Lasting Leadership", which lobbied on behalf of racial justice
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pendleton
  1960
  Shreveport Trade School integrated: Tax-supported, tuitionfree
  school on Hope Street ordered to admit black students.
  New Orleans schools are integrated. Crosses are burned in
  Shreveport in front of all-black Booker T. Washington High
  School and the Caddo Parish School Board office.
  1961 — Freedom Riders try to desegregate Trailways bus
  staion in Shreveport; arrests are made.
  1964 — Civil Rights Act passes, and provisions force all
  schools to integrate or lose federal funding. Bossier segregation
  challenged after two black mothers try to enroll
  their five children in all-white Kerr Elementary School.
  1965—Caddo segregation challenged by the Rev. E. Edward
  Jones, who files suit on behalf of his daughter, Beryl,
  calling for desegregation of Caddo Parish schools. Arthur
  Burton, Brenda Braggs and Beryl Jones become the first black
  students to attend an all-white school in Caddo Parish.
  1972—Another suit is filed on behalf of Beryl N. Jones,
  charging the Caddo School Board with “failing to implement
  a court-ordered nondiscriminatory, unitary school system.”
  http://www.shreveporttimes.com/assets/pdf/D9212101920.PDF
  　
  Photo Caption
  Shreveport Public Safety Commissioner George D’Artois (in dark suit) confers with top
  local law officialsoutside a memorial service at the Little Union Baptist Church on Sept.
  22, 1963. D’Artois had refused a permit to hold a memorial march for four girls killed in
  a bomb blast in Birmingham, Ala., several days earlier. When people showed up at the
  church and it appeared a march would be held anyway, a tense confrontation ensued.
  SPECIAL
  No, blacks of Caddo Parish were not all happy.
  Phil Robertson is a lying homophobe and racist but I am sure you will find a way to excuse or hide it.
  

  
  Being separated from God is being separated from God. If sin is that which separates us from God, how or why isn't any different form each other.
• Zombaypirate

  LOL some people on this site desperately need to watch this video!
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRPbsXBVBo
• isadore

  OSH;1557119 wrote:I just wish he'd do it legibly. I guess it also would be nice if there wasn't as much plagiarism too.

  wrong, all with cited sources
• isadore

  Belly35;1557117 wrote:isadore has not real thoughts or ideas, non thinker he just spews what someone else tells him to regurgitate.

  I realize that all that information is hard for someone like to understand. I will have to consider simplifying it for you.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557131 wrote:Being separated from God is being separated from God. If sin is that which separates us from God, how or why isn't any different form each other.

  phil had a real preference for separation with his support of Jim Crow segregation.
• dlazz

  Prayers from Franklin County
• HitsRus

  

  [INDENT]LOL some people on this site desperately need to watch this video!
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRPbsXBVBo [/INDENT]
  

  I've seen this before...and it is an arrogant, sophomoric attempt at purporting to understand Christianity by a pseudo-intellectual.
• OSH

  

  isadore;1557155 wrote:wrong, all with cited sources

  Just because there may be citations doesn't mean there still can't be plagiarism.
  
  And, I know there are some of your "posts" without citations. But, Merry Christmas.
• isadore

  OSH;1557204 wrote:Just because there may be citations doesn't mean there still can't be plagiarism.
  
  And, I know there are some of your "posts" without citations. But, Merry Christmas.

  gosh a ruddies, sources cited, informed opinions given and what is most resented by you Phil Robertson is proven to be a lying, homophobic racist
• OSH

  

  isadore;1557210 wrote:gosh a ruddies, sources cited, informed opinions given and what is most resented by you Phil Robertson is proven to be a lying, homophobic racist

  You haven't given one of your opinions. You "cite" random websites where it's impossible to sift through your jargon.
• isadore

  OSH;1557268 wrote:You haven't given one of your opinions. You "cite" random websites where it's impossible to sift through your jargon.

  In answer to his claim that there was no local racial violence and that the blacks were contented, happy and not singing the blues. Several examples of the long term history of racism and violence from Caddo Parish and Shreveport, its largest city. All examples have sources.
  577# Examples of his hating homosexual.
  Several examples of racism and happening in Caddo parish at the time Phil Robertson was living there. We have one example of Sam Cooke, famous black pioneer of rock and roll, being denied a room at the whites only holiday inn, leading for him to write a song singing the blues. All examples have citations
  And as I said this showed Phil Robertson is a lying, homophobic racist, but of course you will find away to deny the charges and the overwhelming evidence to support them.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1557158 wrote:phil had a real preference for separation with his support of Jim Crow segregation.

  
  Preference matters not. Sin is sin and there's no mortal without sin...including you and I. He is no more sinful than you and I.
• bases_loaded

  

  He said the blacks his poor ass shared the fields with we're singing with him and his poor ass family. My grandmother experienced the same thing as a poor white share cropper in Arkansas. Your blanket assumption that all blacks and all whites had different lives is rather simple for such an elite level brain.
  
  Liberals need to make victims though. Without them they can't save them and buy votes. The blacks didn't know how bad they had it till the white man needing that vote came into to save them.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1557301 wrote:Preference matters not. Sin is sin and there's no mortal without sin...including you and I. He is no more sinful than you and I.

  I don't know about you, but he is more sinful than me. As a person of influence in our society he choses to advance homophobia and racism.
• isadore

  bases_loaded;1557303 wrote:He said the blacks his poor ass shared the fields with we're singing with him and his poor ass family. My grandmother experienced the same thing as a poor white share cropper in Arkansas. Your blanket assumption that all blacks and all whites had different lives is rather simple for such an elite level brain.
  
  Liberals need to make victims though. Without them they can't save them and buy votes. The blacks didn't know how bad they had it till the white man needing that vote came into to save them.

  Hey chief, I realize you prefer not to read but look what was happening around him. As my earlier posts have shown, Caddo Parish, where he grew up, was soaked with racism and intimidation. But despite local blacks resisted Jim Crow. Heck Sam Cooke even wrote a song about it. Phil Robertson is a lying, homophobic racist.
• O-Trap

  

  If only isadore used as much sound logic, love for his fellow man, and maturity as these:
  
  (a)
  
  
  (b)
  http://therightscoop.com/gay-tmz-founder-slams-glaad-they-preach-tolerance-but-they-wont-tolerate-phil-robertsons-religious-beliefs/
  
  [video=youtube;LdQrgoqiq6Y][/video]
  
  
  MUCH respect for how Harvey Levin has articulated himself. Was never a fan of TMZ, but I'm at least a fan of his.
• se-alum

  

  Levin is very well educated, and was a lawyer for many years.