Duck Dynasty, will Phil's interview doom the show?

• Con_Alma

  isadore;1556907 wrote:as viewed from his perspective ...

  Of course it's from his perspective...just as yours stems from your perspective....making him whatever you want him to be.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1556910 wrote:Of course it's from his perspective...just as yours stems from your perspective....making him whatever you want him to be.

  Obviously I can not make him whatever I want him to be. I doubt I can make him into a Buddhist, critic of the 2nd Amendment, opponent of hunting. Because there is no evidence to support any of those descriptions of him. There is overwhelming evidence of his homophobia and racism.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1556911 wrote:Obviously I can not make him whatever I want him to be. I doubt I can make him into a Buddhist, critic of the 2nd Amendment, opponent of hunting....

  Sure you can. Just peice together bit's and peices of statements using individual words to create such evidence.
  
  I will concede, however, if you say you can't you won't...which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy because it results in you once again making him what you want.
• Heretic

  

  Why is it funny that on a thread with isadore, isidore and wasidore, the original is still the most annoying?
• isadore

  Heretic;1556913 wrote:Why is it funny that on a thread with isadore, isidore and wasidore, the original is still the most annoying?

  for the misbegotten the truth can be an annoyance.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1556912 wrote:Sure you can. Just peice together bit's and peices of statements using individual words to create such evidence.
  
  I will concede, however, if you say you can't you won't...which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy because it results in you once again making him what you want.

  individual words would not create evidence acceptable evidence to most people. His whole interview and whole sermon supply the evidence to show his racism and homophobia
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1556919 wrote:individual words would not create evidence acceptable evidence to most people. His whole interview and whole sermon supply the evidence to show his racism and homophobia

  Stringing the rights words together can provide you with all the ammunition you need to make him whatever you choose....or you can make him a racist homophobe. Either way you get what you seek...because it's "from your perspective". Well done!
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1556922 wrote:Stringing the rights words together can provide you with all the ammunition you need to make him whatever you choose....or you can make him a racist homophobe. Either way you get what you seek...because it's "from your perspective". Well done!

  it is too bad you use your intellect to practice sophistry, but I guess you don't see it because of your perspective. A whole interview, a whole sermon provide the information to make an objective judgment. The prevalence of evidence show this man's biases and prejudices
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1556931 wrote:it is too bad you use your intellect to practice sophistry, but I guess you don't see it because of your perspective. A whole interview, a whole sermon provide the information to make an objective judgment. The prevalence of evidence show this man's biases and prejudices

  ...and yet that whole interview and whole sermon is just small sample of his entire life.....but those small pieces help you define exactly what you what him to be. I applaud your positioning.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1556932 wrote:...and yet that whole interview and whole sermon is just small sample of his entire life.....but those small pieces help you define exactly what you what him to be. I applaud your positioning.

  his whole life, ok. He grew up in a parish known for it intense racism, a kkk stronghold with a history of racial violence. After living there and observing the system he describes the victims as happy and contented, he gives his implied endorsement of the system. On homosexual his sermon and interview, two separate statements, under quite different circumstances definitely show his homophobia.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1556935 wrote:his whole life, ok. He grew up in a parish known for it intense racism, a kkk stronghold with a history of racial violence. After living there and observing the system he describes the victims as happy and contented, he gives his implied endorsement of the system. On homosexual his sermon and interview, two separate statements, under quite different circumstances definitely show his homophobia.

  ...because that's what you want him to be. It works quite well for you. He has made many statements which lend to creating an opposing conclusion as yours. I think your tact of not applying them to your desired outcome is an excellent tact.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1556936 wrote:...because that's what you want him to be. It works quite well for you. He has made many statements which lend to creating an opposing conclusion as yours. I think your tact of not applying them to your desired outcome is an excellent tact.

  Tact? Sir\M'am you could not be more wrong, on innumerable occasions I have been accused of being tactless. But in the case of Mr. Robertson when he seemingly speaks his convictions as in a his church sermon, he demonstrates his homophobia which is repeated in his interview. When he reminisces about the good old days in Cadoo Parish he gives his support to a despicable system practiced in one its most virulent forms right there.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1556941 wrote:Tact? Sir\M'am you could not be more wrong, on innumerable occasions I have been accused of being tactless. But in the case of Mr. Robertson when he seemingly speaks his convictions as in a his church sermon, he demonstrates his homophobia which is repeated in his interview. When he reminisces about the good old days in Cadoo Parish he gives his support to a despicable system practiced in one its most virulent forms right there.

  
  I don't speak for those who have accused you of being tactless.
  
  Your focus on the above examples provides the exact information needed to determine Mr. Robinson is exactly who you want him to be. You are doing an excellent job in highlighting the information.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1556942 wrote:I don't speak for those who have accused you of being tactless.
  
  Your focus on the above examples provides the exact information needed to determine Mr. Robinson is exactly who you want him to be. You are doing an excellent job in highlighting the information.

  Robertson lived for for many years in an segregated system that benefited his race and subjugated another race. He lived in a community known for racial violence to enforce that system. That system has at least in part collapsed and the injustice of it almost universally accepted. He chooses to paint a false picture of the victims and give his implied support for system. That makes him a racist.
  He has chosen on repeated occasions over many years to attack homosexuals and in sermons before congregations condemn not just their acts, but them.
  
• Rotinaj

  

  Con_Alma and Isadore going at it. I'm now anxiously waiting for Sleepers input.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1556947 wrote:Robertson lived for for many years in an segregated system that benefited his race and subjugated another race. He lived in a community known for racial violence to enforce that system. That system has at least in part collapsed and the injustice of it almost universally accepted. He chooses to paint a false picture of the victims and give his implied support for system. That makes him a racist.
  He has chosen on repeated occasions over many years to attack homosexuals and in sermons before congregations condemn not just their acts, but them.

  
  Yes, you have chosen to focus on these types of things multiple times. It's lending to your position quite nicely. Well done.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1556953 wrote:Yes, you have chosen to focus on these types of things multiple times. It's lending to your position quite nicely. Well done.

  thank you
• IggyPride00

  

  Phil today admitted that he is not without sexual sin himself. His solution was to find a good woman and keep his sex within the marriage.
• thavoice

  IggyPride00;1556961 wrote:Phil today admitted that he is not without sexual sin himself. His solution was to find a good woman and keep his sex within the marriage.

  That isnt news. He has said that before that years ago he was a drunkard and adulterer.
• dlazz

  It is absolutely embarrassing that:
  
  1. This thread has 23 pages of discussion
  2. This thread exists at all
• O-Trap

  

  This thread:
  
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• pmoney25

  

  No one googles like Isadore. I think he wins this thread.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  the fact you guys have devoted 23 pages of posts and over 500 posts to this topic shows how retarded ALL of you are. He's an old, conservative hick that hates gays. Who gives a shit what he thinks? Why does him thinking gays are wrong have anything to do with the actual progression of gay marriage/rights in this country? Move on with your lives people and stop caring what random people on TV shows say about topics. Did Obama say this? LOL no.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  IggyPride00;1556961 wrote:Phil today admitted that he is not without sexual sin himself. His solution was to find a good woman and keep his sex within the marriage.

  Joe Banner admitted today that he has sinned sexually with Haslem. Are you happy? Sad? Confused?
• O-Trap

  

  isadore;1556879 wrote:3. Gosh from previous statements it would seem if anything he would consider homosexuality worse than bestiality. He may have even consider bestiality “the gateway drug.” to the abomination of homosexuality.

  There is no logical framework to support this, or at least none which you have articulated.
  
  Most of this thread, you've just shown two quotes from broader messages and assumed the conclusion without drawing it.
  
  I provided a framework for my assertions. You've not. Try again.
  

  isadore;1556879 wrote:Robertson in 2010: " Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil."
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  And he is very condemning the person not the act.

  
  
  I'd submit that we, as a human collective, fit this mold: We receive in ourselves the due penalty for our wickedness. We're full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. We are insolent, arrogant, and often God-haters. We are heartless, senseless, and ruthless. We invent ways of doing evil.
  
  Claiming wrongdoing, even calling it evil, is not hate. I do evil. Paul admits to doing evil. So does David ... in fact, he admits to BEING evil in his heart.
  
  Granted, I understand that you, being full of nothing but love and compassion, may not be evil like the rest of us in the world, but I would at least hope you can see the distinction between pointing out what one thinks are imperfections in another and the former hating the latter.
  
  You can infer what you wish, but it is speculation at most. I infer only that which he explicitly states, because I prefer to assume as much innocence in my fellow man as possible, while recognizing that it is never fully present. As such, I will not assume malevolence, though you seem to be able to do so.
  

  isadore;1556879 wrote:He grew up in the Jim Crow South. He saw the segregated facilities, the segregated schools,
  he knew what would happen to any black person who stepped out of line,
  He is from Caddo Parish

  
  
  You've spelled out the circumstances, but answer me this one question: Is it impossible for someone who has been forced to live under such circumstances to be happy?
  
  In essence, can a person be happy IN SPITE of their circumstances? If so, then what you've just stated changes nothing as to whether or not he was simply being truthful about those with whom he worked. Plainly stated truth carries no bias and furthers no agenda. Our interpretations of fact and truth are what do that.
  
  

  isadore;1556879 wrote:Nevertheless, this history is alive and
  well in Caddo Parish, Louisiana, the site of the last capital of the Confederacy
  and of widespread, brutal hate crimes during the turn of the century.
  The supposedly bygone era of slavery and the Confederacy
  continues to influence the administration of justice in Louisiana, where
  the Confederate flag flies over the parish courthouse at which lynching
  once occurred and where death sentences continue to be meted out along
  racial lines… Site of the Colfax Massacre
  —in which at least 150 newly-freed blacks were slaughtered by whites….Caddo includes both the
  rural areas of North Louisiana, notorious for the Ku Klux Klan’s omnipresence.
  In 2011Citizens must pass under the Confederate flag in order to enter the
  Caddo Parish Courthouse in downtown Shreveport.
  http://www3.law.harvard.edu/journals/hjrej/files/2012/11/HBK104.pdf
  Northwest Louisiana (including Caddo Parish) are centers for the KKK.
  http://books.google.com/books?id=UzEyYC82NRIC&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=caddo+parish+kkk&source=bl&ots=2VbUd9nRb_&sig=1QqiXTGjpb_Is4yzPjaaq7vHnL4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2Dy4UrvXHomzsQTM1YGYCQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=caddo%20parish%20kkk&f=false
  His home area has a long history of extreme violence against blacks up to the present. I think we can IMPLY from his statements an attempt to cover up the intimidation of the black community. They lived under a regime of terror..

  
  
  Actually, it's "INFER" there. And we have insufficient evidence to cover anything up, so long as we're approaching the topic logically. You've continued to list facts, but you have yet to offer one single iota of evidence that a person could not, by any stretch, find happiness under such trying circumstances.
  
  I urge you to do so if you are able.
  
  

  isadore;1556879 wrote:He is both a homophobe and a racist.

  You perhaps can know the thoughts that others have not articulated. Reading minds like that is a gift, and you should spread it.
  
  But forgive the rest of us if we cannot do the same, and must rely on logic and empirically sensed communication in order to know the sentiments of others. And forgive us if we do not simply take your word for it.