Duck Dynasty, will Phil's interview doom the show?

• isadore

  and Phil Robertson's living for decades in a segregated society while claiming its victims were happy demonstrates his racism.
  and the existence of purgatory shows there is a ranking of sin.
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558083 wrote:and Phil Robertson's living for decades in a segregated society while claiming its victims were happy demonstrates his racism.
  and the existence of purgatory shows there is a ranking of sin.

  Purgatory was made up by the Catholic Church, as in, it's not in the bible. The pope gets to decide what sends someone to purgatory.
• OSH

  

  isadore;1558083 wrote:and Phil Robertson's living for decades in a segregated society while claiming its victims were happy demonstrates his racism.
  and the existence of purgatory shows there is a ranking of sin.

  LJ;1558085 wrote:Purgatory was made up by the Catholic Church, as in, it's not in the bible. The pope gets to decide what sends someone to purgatory.

  LJ, let's not bring facts into this discussion with isadore...
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558082 wrote:Gosh based on the post symptom I got a cold but Ljs got pneumonia, he really needs your help.

  Who is "Ljs"?
• jmog

  pmoney25;1558042 wrote:)
  
  Why can't the statement be the majority of people supported Obama? Still factually true yet leaves race out of it. Using group identity versus individuals making their own decision lends itself to racism. Individual thinking/knowledge and liberty are the biggest opponents of racism. Your statement is correct but unnecessary.
  
  The Government has done a fantastic job in putting people in groups(voting blocks) and most people are not really informed enough to think like an individual so they fall right into the collectivist trap. So now groups lobby the government for special rights/deals and whichever party bends over the lobbying groups convince the average person to vote for that party because that party has the group's best interest at heart.

  But you and I both know that certain demographics are always looked at.
  
  
  It would be no be no different than saying "the youth favored Obama" "the rich favored Romney" "the blacks overwhelmingly favored Obama". It is disengenuous to believe that statistical breakdowns of demographics aren't looked at and aren't important. It is aloe stupid to say it is racist to make such statements when they are backed by statistical facts.
• isadore

  LJ;1558085 wrote:Purgatory was made up by the Catholic Church, as in, it's not in the bible. The pope gets to decide what sends someone to purgatory.

  It is the belief of the large majority of Christians in this world. Not members of these minor sects, but over 1.2 billion Christians that there is a purgatory and a ranking of sin.
• isadore

  LJ;1558088 wrote:Who is "Ljs"?

  isn't that your nickname?
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558094 wrote:It is the belief of the large majority of Christians in this world. Not members of these minor sects, but over 1.2 billion Christians that there is a purgatory and a ranking of sin.

  Again, Catholics only. Who cares how many there are. Phil Robertson isn't a Catholic so the Church's scare tactic of Purgatory doesn't exist in his beliefs. Nor does it exist in the bible. Wikipedia about Catholics all you want, but current Catholicism has nothing to do with Phil's beliefs.
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558095 wrote:isn't that your nickname?

  Ljs? No.
• sherm03

  

  Con_Alma;1558060 wrote:The proof is in the result of sinning.
  
  All sin separates us from God, none more than the other. That's what sin is.
  
  We are to take all of God's word into account, in context. Therefore, the Bible teaches us that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. All other sins are forgivable. However, this does not mean that all sins will be forgiven. It means that all these other sins can be forgiven. We are forgiven only when we trust in Christ and Him alone for the forgiveness of our sins. Those who have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will never seek Christ because the Holy Spirit will not work on them.
  
  Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit isn't any worse that any other sin in God's eyes. It's does , however, keep it from being present in one's heart....necessary for forgiveness. This doesn't tear us away from God any more than other sins. Not being with God is not being with God.

  That's wrong. Yes, all sin separates you from God and keeps you from being perfect. But that does not mean that all sins are equal. If we can pick out a random quote and say that it proves Jesus was confirming the "natural order" of man and woman, we can do that with this, too...when talking to Pilate, Jesus said, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.” So Jesus is admitting that there are greater sins. And don't forget about the "speck in your brother's eye, but ignoring the plank in your own" analogy.
  
  The fact that Christians can't even agree on something like this proves that there is room for interpretation in the Bible and it should not be taken as literally.
• vball10set

  LJ;1558096 wrote:Again, Catholics only. Who cares how many there are. Phil Robertson isn't a Catholic so the Church's scare tactic of Purgatory doesn't exist in his beliefs. Nor does it exist in the bible. Wikipedia about Catholics all you want, but current Catholicism has nothing to do with Phil's beliefs.

  I am Catholic, but I must confess, I didn't know this. I guess I'm not as educated in Catholicism as I thought I was
  
  http://carm.org/bible-about-purgatory
  

  Question: What does the Bible say about purgatory?
  
  Answer: The simple answer to this question is that the Bible says nothing about Purgatory. The doctrine of purgatory is not a Scriptural concept. We do, however, see much discussion in God’s Word about the only two destinations for those who have died: Heaven and Hell.
  
  

• LJ

  

  vball10set;1558103 wrote:I am Catholic, but I must confess, I didn't know this. I guess I'm not as educated in Catholicism as I thought I was
  
  http://carm.org/bible-about-purgatory

  I dont know a lot about Catholicism but some of my wife's aunts and uncles are devout Catholics and were arguing over the church's waffling on purgatory a few Christmases ago, so I looked into it out of curiosity.
• sherm03

  

  vball10set;1558103 wrote:I am Catholic, but I must confess, I didn't know this. I guess I'm not as educated in Catholicism as I thought I was
  
  http://carm.org/bible-about-purgatory

  LJ;1558104 wrote:I dont know a lot about Catholicism but some of my wife's aunts and uncles are devout Catholics and were arguing over the church's waffling on purgatory a few Christmases ago, so I looked into it out of curiosity.

  Wasn't purgatory created by the Pope as a way to get people to spend money and buy indulgences?
• isadore

  LJ;1558096 wrote:Again, Catholics only. Who cares how many there are. Phil Robertson isn't a Catholic so the Church's scare tactic of Purgatory doesn't exist in his beliefs. Nor does it exist in the bible. Wikipedia about Catholics all you want, but current Catholicism has nothing to do with Phil's beliefs.

  1. the original discussion was about different level of sin, which purgatory is just one example, another would be mortal and venial sin, a third the difference between sin listed in the Ten Commandments and other sin
  2. There is a scriptural basis for purgatoryScriptural basis for purgatory and a part of Christianity and Judaism
  “Some Fundamentalists also charge, as though it actually proved something, "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity and Incarnation aren’t in Scripture either, yet those doctrines are clearly taught in it. Likewise, Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.
  Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.
  Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine
  Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians. “
  http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory
  　
  　
  
• isadore

  LJ;1558097 wrote:Ljs? No.

  well that is interesting.
• LJ

  

  Lol Catholic.com as a source
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558110 wrote:well that is interesting.

  Not really
• isadore

  but continuing onward
  Phil Robertson lived decades of his life in the Jim Crow South in Caddo Parish. Caddo Parish was well know for its strict segregation system, its extensive klan activity, its history of racial violence and for during Phil's time rising black resistance. The system was all encompassing in the public facilities, job opportunities, educational system and social mores. It would be impossible to live in that environment and not be aware of it. But what does Phil say of the blacks living under that oppression why that they were happy and without complaint. What a racist and liar he is.
• LJ

  

  I'm gonna use a website run by Catholics that are defending their beliefs to prove that the other beliefs are wrong!!!
  
  
  Lol good one Isadore. You keep getting dumber every post you make
• isadore

  LJ;1558113 wrote:Not really

  in the opinion of some.
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558116 wrote:in the opinion of some.

  So why is it interesting to you? Why did you think my nickname was "ljs"?
• isadore

  LJ;1558115 wrote:I'm gonna use a website run by Catholics that are defending their beliefs to prove that the other beliefs are wrong!!!
  
  
  Lol good one Isadore. You keep getting dumber every post you make

  that is what every argument is, an advocacy of a point of view, trying to show the correctness of their view and the error of another. That is what every article in every learned research journal in the world is. Every advertisement, every political speech, and a large majority of the statements on this site are. duh.
  The value of them is to be evaluated and checked. They supply source statements to be checked to see the validity of their argument. Did you actually go to a school somewhere?
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558119 wrote:that is what every argument is, an advocacy of a point of view, trying to show the correctness of their view and the error of another. That is what every article in every learned research journal in the world is. Every advertisement, every political speech, and a large majority of the statements on this site are. duh.
  The value of them is to be evaluated and checked. They supply source statements to be checked to see the validity of their argument. Did you actually go to a school somewhere?

  And I obviously was saying that the validity of your source is none when it comes to Protestants.
• isadore

  LJ;1558118 wrote:So why is it interesting to you? Why did you think my nickname was "ljs"?

  No you have gotten your facts wrong again,
  as you said before I wrote Lj

  LJ wrote: Ljs? No

  please try to stick to the facts.
• LJ

  

  isadore;1558121 wrote:No you have gotten your facts wrong again,
  as you said before I wrote Lj
  
  please try to stick to the facts.

  You literally make no sense. I think you should get evaluated