B1G 2013-14

• Ironman92

  

  3 fouls on UM trying to guard Payne in the first 1:30
• vball10set

  If Stauskas could play any defense at all he could be the NPOY...he's awful
• Ironman92

  

  Payne just bullied that defender to get the ball back
• Ironman92

  

  Izzo is going to wear out Payne subbing him in and out
• Ironman92

  

  I just don't agree with all these fouls underneath.
• WebFire

  Impossible to even play good defense in the paint anymore.
• Laley23

  

  Gary Harris is so fucking good.
• Ironman92

  

  Still rooting for MSU to win by 24 and UM to get a 1 seed over UVA
• Ironman92

  

  Payne has done a good job drawing 17 fouls in 12 touches
• Ironman92

  

  If not for Stauskas the game would already be over
• Mulva

  

  Ironman92;1591422 wrote:Still rooting for MSU to win by 24 and UM to get a 1 seed over UVA

  They would still deserve it.
• Ironman92

  

  Mulva;1591429 wrote:They would still deserve it.

  K.
• WebFire

  Michigan needs to do something other than shoot 3s.
• reclegend22

  

  Mulva;1591429 wrote:They would still deserve it.

  Not based on conference performance. The ACC was the better conference this year, especially at the top. The reason there were so many competitive games in the Big Ten this year is because there were no standout teams at all.
• WebFire

  Michigan is just letting MSU do whatever they want, on both ends of the floor.
• Laley23

  

  reclegend22;1591438 wrote:Not based on conference performance. The ACC was the better conference this year, especially at the top. The reason there were so many competitive games in the Big Ten this year is because there were no standout teams at all.

  BUT, even you said Virginia had a remarkably easy schedule.
  
  Now, I agree that Michigan doesnt deserve it if they lose.
• reclegend22

  

  Laley23;1591442 wrote:BUT, even you said Virginia had a remarkably easy schedule.
  
  Now, I agree that Michigan doesnt deserve it if they lose.

  Virginia did have the easiest ACC schedule and I do not refute that. However, Virginia took care of business in the ACC Tournament and beat Duke in the final, one of the teams they had only played once in the regular-season. That's all the confirmation I need to know that Virginia was the best in the ACC.
• Mulva

  

  reclegend22;1591438 wrote:Not based on conference performance. The ACC was the better conference this year, especially at the top. The reason there were so many competitive games in the Big Ten this year is because there were no standout teams at all.

  The B1G was 9-8 head to head against the ACC, has a higher conference RPI (2nd vs. 5th), and is projected to get more bids (6 to 5). So the better conference statement is debatable at best.
  
  Assuming a loss today, Michigan will still have 2x as many top 50 wins (10-5 record to Virginia's 5-4), and most likely 3 more wins against tourney teams.
• reclegend22

  

  Virginia beat Syracuse, North Carolina, Pitt and Duke, the teams that finished 2 to 5 in the ACC, as well as everyone else in the conference but one. Virginia is a worthy champion of the best or second best conference in college basketball this season. That argument is up for debate with the Big XII.
• reclegend22

  

  Mulva;1591445 wrote:The B1G was 9-8 head to head against the ACC, has a higher conference RPI (2nd vs. 5th), and is projected to get more bids (6 to 5). So the better conference statement is debatable at best.
  
  Assuming a loss today, Michigan will still have 2x as many top 50 wins (10-5 record to Virginia's 5-4), and most likely 3 more wins against tourney teams.

  At the top, however, it's not debatable at all. Virginia, Duke, North Carolina and Syracuse are a stronger group of teams than what's at the top of the Big Ten. To that point, Virginia beat Wisconsin, Duke beat Michigan, North Carolina beat Michigan State and, for good measure, Syracuse beat Minnesota and Indiana in impressive fashion, destroying the Hoosiers.
• WebFire

  Glad to only be down 9 after that pathetic showing.
• Midstate01

  

  Michigan plays little defense..If they aren't hitting all their 3s, they could get beat by someone early in the tourney.
• Mulva

  

  reclegend22;1591449 wrote:At the top, however, it's not debatable at all. Virginia, Duke, North Carolina and Syracuse are a stronger group of teams than what's at the top of the Big Ten. To that point, Virginia beat Wisconsin, Duke beat Michigan, North Carolina beat Michigan State and, for good measure, Syracuse beat Minnesota and Indiana in impressive fashion, destroying the Hoosiers.

  Wisconsin beat Virginia by 10.
  
  Minnesota and Indiana, huh? That's like pointing out that Michigan beat Florida State and OSU beat Maryland.
• WebFire

  Midstate01;1591453 wrote:Michigan plays little defense..If they aren't hitting all their 3s, they could get beat by someone early in the tourney.

  I'd say they are average on defense. I think it's less about defense, and more about not doing anything else on offense when they are missing 3s. Like today. They won't do anything but hang around the perimeter.
• reclegend22

  

  Mulva;1591455 wrote:Wisconsin beat Virginia by 10.

  Virginia did not beat Wisconsin, which is exactly what I meant but just didn't convey that thought clearly enough. Lol. My mistake on that.
  

  Mulva wrote:Minnesota and Indiana, huh? That's like pointing out that Michigan beat Florida State and OSU beat Maryland.

  The only reason I mentioned Syracuse's wins is because you pointed out that the Big Ten had a 9-8 head-to-head record against the ACC. Well, the majority of those wins came in games between teams that are irrelevant at this point in the season. Duke and North Carolina, who finished in third and fourth place in the ACC, respectively, each beat one of the teams in today's Big Ten final. I think it's more accurate to look at how the conferences performed against one another at the top than at the bottom.