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• Speedofsand

  

  Some jumpy Gator fans are calling for Aubrey Hill to be fired. I disagree. He was the WR coach, rode with Hurtt to Shapiro's house where the Sanford 3 were. Shapiro made no mention of what his role was, just that he met him. He may have committed a recruiting violation, but I don't see any more. I remember when Muschamp hired Hill he said Hill 'was desperate to get out of Miami.'
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  LJ;865363 wrote:Their only "fans" are ex-players, so who cares

  
  Haha I was just going to point this out, by their fans you mean all 10 of them? I was at the 2002 National Championship and it had to be 90% OSU fans. Apparently the same was true the year before with Nebraska fans.
• Speedofsand

  

  Terry_Tate;865348 wrote:Another thing I thought was funny was that he said they didn't pay recruits to come to Miami because they didn't have the money and they couldn't compete with the large public schools in the SEC that had money. Not that its any surprise, just thought it was interesting.

  
  He paid $10k for a hoops recruit to sign. That's not Kentucky money, for sure.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865222 wrote:Colin Cowherd pointed out the obvious a few minutes ago - The PAC-12, Big East, ACC, B1G, Mountain West, Big 12 have all had one team (or more) in trouble as of late (w/in the past couple years)...but not the SEC.

  
  LOL. Uhm... Auburn and Cam Newton receiving $300,000+ ?!
• OhioStatePride2003

  Scarlet_Buckeye;865412 wrote:LOL. Uhm... Auburn and Cam Newton receiving $300,000+ ?!

  
  Nothing has been proven. I think that was the point...there's all these "rumors" surrounding the SEC schools, but he basically made it seem like the NCAA refuses to believe the schools in that conference down south would commit such crimes. Yes, after he said "gimme a break" and rolled his eyes. (I guess that's super important so the slow peeps can get the point)
  
  Now sure how he "lied"...the SEC hasn't been in any trouble, at least not in the magnitude of other conferences, in the last few years.
• enigmaax

  OhioStatePride2003;865317 wrote:Even if only a fraction of this is true, it'd still probably going to warrant the death penalty. You can't tell me that a scandal of this magnitude went unnoticed.

  
  It is bad and they're going to get hammered, but I still don't think the death penalty is an option. That was designed specifically for "repeat offenders" who have had major violations within a certain timeframe (I think 5 years). This situation is alleged to be going on for about ten years so the NCAA will likely ignore their statute of limitations when it comes to establishing punishable offenses, but unless Miami has been sanctioned for something that I don't recall in the last five years, I don't believe the death penalty will even be a consideration. If I remember right, even the last major sanctions they had were levied in 1995, so even if the statute is lifted and they use 2002 as the starting point for these allegations, it'd be outside of that window for the death penalty. Just my guess.
• Zoltan

  OhioStatePride2003;865420 wrote:Nothing has been proven. I think that was the point...there's all these "rumors" surrounding the SEC schools, but he basically said the NCAA refuses to believe the schools in that conference down south would commit such crimes.

  
  Ummm.. I'm pretty sure it was proven to have happened, just that Cam Newton didn't know it happened.
  The SEC is much tougher nut to crack in these cases because cheating is "institutionalized.” It is like wondering why an organized crime syndicate can get away with everything while the wanna be gangsters keep getting busted in the streets. They mock schools like OSU for having a head coach willing to personally answer every email.
• OhioStatePride2003

  Zoltan;865424 wrote:Ummm.. I'm pretty sure it was proven to have happened, just that Cam Newton didn't know it happened.
  The SEC is much tougher nut to crack in these cases because cheating is "institutionalized.” It is like wondering why an organized crime syndicate can get away with everything while the wanna be gangsters keep getting busted in the streets. They mock schools like OSU for having a head coach willing to personally answer every email.

  
  But my point is, and pretty sure Cowherd's point as well, was that no one in the SEC has been in any serious trouble recently.
• enigmaax

  Scarlet_Buckeye;865412 wrote:LOL. Uhm... Auburn and Cam Newton receiving $300,000+ ?!

  
  Cowherd's statement may not be accurate depending on how you view LSU's violations (their punishment is/was certainly very insignificant), but Auburn isn't in any trouble over Cam Newton as we speak right at this moment. And I may have missed it, but where did the $300k number come from?
• dat dude

  enigmaax;865431 wrote:Cowherd's statement may not be accurate depending on how you view LSU's violations (their punishment is/was certainly very insignificant), but Auburn isn't in any trouble over Cam Newton as we speak right at this moment. And I may have missed it, but where did the $300k number come from?

  
  FWIW, Sheridan is set to release the "bag man" and witness to the cash transfer in about 30 minutes.
• karen lotz

  

  dat dude;865435 wrote:FWIW, Sheridan is set to release the "bag man" and witness to the cash transfer in about 30 minutes.

  
  
  Where is that supposed to take place? I'm sure it will be all over Twitter either way.
• OhioStatePride2003

  enigmaax;865423 wrote:It is bad and they're going to get hammered, but I still don't think the death penalty is an option. That was designed specifically for "repeat offenders" who have had major violations within a certain timeframe (I think 5 years). This situation is alleged to be going on for about ten years so the NCAA will likely ignore their statute of limitations when it comes to establishing punishable offenses, but unless Miami has been sanctioned for something that I don't recall in the last five years, I don't believe the death penalty will even be a consideration. If I remember right, even the last major sanctions they had were levied in 1995, so even if the statute is lifted and they use 2002 as the starting point for these allegations, it'd be outside of that window for the death penalty. Just my guess.

  
  The statue of limitations is four years, I believe that's what they said on Mike & Mike this morning. However, if they have reason to believe there has been continuous violations then the NCAA can can go ahead and investigate as far back as they need too. So with the statue of limitations in place, they can investigate back to '07 (or '06 if it is five years). But if they think that this whole scandal has gone on longer than those statue of limitations, then they can keep digging until the trail runs cold. At least that's how I understood it.
  
  They also said that they could potentially view Miami as a repeat offender, which would automatically open up the possibility of the death penalty.
• OhioStatePride2003

  karen lotz;865449 wrote:Where is that supposed to take place? I'm sure it will be all over Twitter either way.

  Wait, I'm confused - the "Bag Man" in the Auburn case?
• LJ

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865451 wrote:The statue of limitations is four years, I believe that's what they said on Mike & Mike this morning. However, if they have reason to believe there has been continuous violations then the NCAA can can go ahead and investigate as far back as they need too. So with the statue of limitations in place, they can investigate back to '07 (or '06 if it is five years). But if they think that this whole scandal has gone on longer than those statue of limitations, then they can keep digging until the trail runs cold. At least that's how I understood it.
  
  They also said that they could potentially view Miami as a repeat offender, which would automatically open up the possibility of the death penalty.

  
  
  They way I understand it is let's say they see a Senior 3 year starter depositing money on aug 22nd 2007 they could go back further because they have a reasonable belief that he would have been receiving money before that. If they look back as far as they can go, and the first instances are a bunch of freshman and a transfer or something, they "can't" go further back.
• karen lotz

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865453 wrote:Wait, I'm confused - the "Bag Man" in the Auburn case?

  
  
  Yes.
• Speedofsand

  

  The new Miami investigation could go back to the days they were still on probation for a Pell grant scandal in the mid-late 90s.
  LOIC is in play, I doubt the death penalty will come.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865420 wrote:Nothing has been proven. I think that was the point...there's all these "rumors" surrounding the SEC schools, but he basically made it seem like the NCAA refuses to believe the schools in that conference down south would commit such crimes. Yes, after he said "gimme a break" and rolled his eyes. (I guess that's super important so the slow peeps can get the point)
  
  Now sure how he "lied"...the SEC hasn't been in any trouble, at least not in the magnitude of other conferences, in the last few years.

  
  What do you mean nothing has been proven? It has been proven that Cam's father solicited Cam's services for $300,000. That part is fact! The part that has yet to be proven is that someone has actually PAID that amount.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  Zoltan;865424 wrote:Ummm.. I'm pretty sure it was proven to have happened, just that Cam Newton didn't know it happened

  
  Bingo!
• karen lotz

  

  Where do you get the $300,000 from?
• WebFire

  I thought it was $100k.
• karen lotz

  

  180
• karen lotz

  

  Sheridan will be on Finebaum in a minute or so. Can listen live online at http://finebaum.com/home.asp
• karen lotz

  

  Dammit. Sheridan says he unequivocally has the name of the bag man but won't give it out on the air on advice of his lawyer.
• queencitybuckeye

  What a lying POS. He has nothing and is making up all kinds of garbage pretending to claim otherwise.
• LJ

  

  karen lotz;865498 wrote:180

  
  Pretty sure the first solicitation was 300k, then ended up getting 180k from Auburn