The U in the NCAA's Scopes

• wildcats20

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865307 wrote:Well don't quote me, damn. Cowherd said it, not I. Excuse me...geesh. Maybe LSU slipped his mind, hell I dunno. Call him and ask him.

  
  I would bet what you said is very close to what Cowherd said.
  
  And I think all j_crazy was saying is that Cowherd is a mindless dumbass.
• wildcats20

  

  WebFire;865305 wrote:The more I read about this, this more I shake my head. This is huge. It's gonna get ugly.

  
  No kidding.
  
  I mean let's be honest. "Everyone" pays players, "everyone" gives benefits. But NOT everyone pays for abortions.
• WebFire

  j_crazy;865289 wrote:so. auburn with cam newton, we're just overlooking that? Alabama and the T-town suit store, nothing to see here. LSU and their self policed infractions?
  
  the SEC handled the one for sure violation better, but there are some really big fish that everyone is overlooking.

  
  Auburn and Alabama have not been in trouble, at least yet. And LSU can't really count. A player and coach screwed up, they reported, and fired the coach and sent the kid packing. Hardly compares.
• Terry_Tate

  

  WebFire;865305 wrote:The more I read about this, this more I shake my head. This is huge. It's gonna get ugly.

  
  Same here. I couldn't imagine anything like this coming out about Ohio State. How close could they get to the death penalty without actually doing it?
• OhioStatePride2003

  WebFire;865305 wrote:The more I read about this, this more I shake my head. This is huge. It's gonna get ugly.

  
  It certainly is gonna be ugly, it's gonna be even uglier before all is said and done. However, this could be a blessing in disguise for the overall state of the NCAA. This could be the rock that finally shatters the window. Maybe - maybe - something good can come out of this. At some point, the NCAA has to look at all the turmoil that's gone on this past decade (in college football alone) and say to themselves "Wow, we are really starting to look bad". The NCAA can't play cop, investigator, judge, and jury all at once. What sticks out the most to me, is the fact that the AD for Miami was part of the committee that told USC's AD that their "I didn't know" excuse wasn't going to fly. He even told them it was their job to know. Now that this has come out, his quote made it sound an awful lot like he was leaning towards the "Yeah I was the AD, but I had no idea this was going on" excuse. I'm sure the NCAA doesn't need anymore reasons to hammer Miami, but I think the fact that he was the AD at the time - then hammered USC over one player - isn't going to bode well with the NCAA. Even if only a fraction of this is true, it'd still probably going to warrant the death penalty. You can't tell me that a scandal of this magnitude went unnoticed.
  
  Also, nothing I've read has named any football coaches. I know the basketball coach was talked about, but I don't think recall any football coaches. I could've missed it? Anyone else know of any football coaches?
• Iliketurtles

  

  Speedofsand;865240 wrote:Randy Shannon? Where is his name in this whole story? You know Yahoo asked. No accusations or even a 'he never knew' from Shapiro.
  Interesting.

  Karen posted a link by Luther Campbell about Shapiro and this was said in that article.

  He was all about himself. Shapiro wanted to use me like he was using the UM players and other celebrity athletes he courted. I knew to stay away from him. So did Randy Shannon, who warned all his assistants that if he caught them with Shapiro, he would fire them. Randy hated that beady-eyed defamer. Surprisingly, Shannon's name was conspicuously absent in Yahoo's breathtaking 11-month investigation.

• karen lotz

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865317 wrote: Also, nothing I've read has named any football coaches. I know the basketball coach was talked about, but I don't think recall any football coaches. I could've missed it? Anyone else know of any football coaches?

  
  
  There were 3 basketball coaches and 3 football coaches mentioned.
• OhioStatePride2003

  Terry_Tate;865313 wrote:Same here. I couldn't imagine anything like this coming out about Ohio State. How close could they get to the death penalty without actually doing it?

  
  I sincerely feel bad for Miami fans. They've not had a lot to cheer about as of late and now this? I mean, all that drama and it didn't really get the TEAM anywhere. At least at OSU, we got a Sugar Bowl victory out of it. I know that Ohio State didn't do anything even remotely close to what's been going on down at Miami, but while us non-'Cane fans aren't surprised this came out - I'm sure that they are. Jim Kelly was on Mike and Mike this morning, and just listening to him talk you could tell that he was pretty tore up about all of this. The thought is that when Butch Davis got to Miami, all this "Uncle Luke" crap disappeared. I guess it's easier to cover up when A) it's a private school and B) the seemingly entire Athletic Department knew about this.
• OhioStatePride2003

  karen lotz;865324 wrote:There were 3 basketball coaches and 3 football coaches mentioned.

  
  Obviously Shannon wasn't mentioned, but any idea what ones were? Sorry for the 21 questions. I assume Coker's name as been brought up?
• Iliketurtles

  

  As for the death penalty, I do not think Miami is going to get it but they might get as close as you can get to it. There is some very shocking stuff(namely the abortion being paid for allegedly) but it is nothing compared to what happened at SMU.
• ts1227

  

  Sure looks like their old AD (and Ohio AD right before that) Kirby Hocutt may have seen the writing on the wall, heading to TTU to become AD over the summer. Pete Carroll style.
  
  Although, Hocutt is still in the NCAA so he actually has to talk.
• karen lotz

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865329 wrote:Obviously Shannon wasn't mentioned, but any idea what ones were? Sorry for the 21 questions. I assume Coker's name as been brought up?

  
  
  Clint Hurtt, Jeff Stoutland, and Aubrey Hill were the football coaches. HC Frank Haith, Jake Morton, and Jorge Fernandez from the basketball staff. There was another football assistant that Shaprio wouldn't answer questions about him and there were a few equipment guys too.
• bases_loaded

  

  WebFire;865312 wrote:Auburn and Alabama have not been in trouble, at least yet. And LSU can't really count. A player and coach screwed up, they reported, and fired the coach and sent the kid packing. Hardly compares.

  
  Alabama is less than 5 years removed from sanctions. Cowherd is just proving the ESPN sec love fest.
  
  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/06/11/alabama.penalty/index.html
• OhioStatePride2003

  karen lotz;865334 wrote:Clint Hurtt, Jeff Stoutland, and Aubrey Hill were the football coaches. HC Frank Haith, Jake Morton, and Jorge Fernandez from the basketball staff. There was another football assistant that Shaprio wouldn't answer questions about him and there were a few equipment guys too.

  
  Thanks! Interesting that none of the head coaches "knew" about this. There's just no way to sugar coat it, Miami is screwed.
• OhioStatePride2003

  bases_loaded;865338 wrote:Alabama is like 5 years removed from hefty sanctions. Cowherd is just proving the ESPN sec love fest.

  
  It's part of the reason I love Cowherd, he's honest and shows no favorites. I know a lot of people don't like him because they think he's bashing this team or this team (I've heard him bash OSU many times), but he's honest and truthful. And the thing about the truth is, not everyone can handle it. I love listening to him rant.
• bases_loaded

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865342 wrote:It's part of the reason I love Cowherd, he's honest and shows no favorites. I know a lot of people don't like him because they think he's bashing this team or this team (I've heard him bash OSU many times), but he's honest and truthful. And the thing about the truth is, not everyone can handle it. I love listening to him rant.

  
  Huh? He blatantly lied and said the SEC was clean unlike the rest.
• Terry_Tate

  

  Another thing I thought was funny was that he said they didn't pay recruits to come to Miami because they didn't have the money and they couldn't compete with the large public schools in the SEC that had money. Not that its any surprise, just thought it was interesting.
• karen lotz

  

  bases_loaded;865346 wrote:Huh? He blatantly lied and said the SEC was clean unlike the rest.

  
  
  It sounded tongue in cheek when he said it. I think he made a little comment after along the lines of "yeah sure."
• ts1227

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865342 wrote:It's part of the reason I love Cowherd, he's honest and shows no favorites. I know a lot of people don't like him because they think he's bashing this team or this team (I've heard him bash OSU many times), but he's honest and truthful. And the thing about the truth is, not everyone can handle it. I love listening to him rant.

  
  He bashes and praises as is necessary. When he does show bias he fully admits to it usually due to where grew up. The mouth breathing fanatics don't want to hear honesty, though. They want national hosts to be like the local schmucks. I enjoy his show.
• bases_loaded

  

  karen lotz;865350 wrote:It sounded tongue in cheek when he said it. I think he made a little comment after along the lines of "yeah sure."

  
  Hard to read sarcasm....especially when OSUpride left the yeah sure out of his quote...thanks
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Sorry but Cowherd is a hack and an arrogant prick. This is the same guy that said that people living and Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, etc who were unemployed "brought it on themselves" for living in those areas. He is out of touch with reality and a lot of his opinions on sports are to try to get a rise. He's the Skip Bayless of the radio
• WebFire

  bases_loaded;865338 wrote:Alabama is less than 5 years removed from sanctions. Cowherd is just proving the ESPN sec love fest.
  
  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andy_staples/06/11/alabama.penalty/index.html

  
  True. Thanks for the correction. I was thinking only of the current stuff.
• bases_loaded

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;865356 wrote:Sorry but Cowherd is a hack and an arrogant prick. This is the same guy that said that people living and Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, etc who were unemployed "brought it on themselves" for living in those areas. He is out of touch with reality and a lot of his opinions on sports are to try to get a rise. He's the Skip Bayless of the radio

  
  Nevadabuck on an OSU board claimed to know him personally and said he loves OSU but also knows they move the needle so he goes out of his way to stir the base...the second part screams bayless
• Iliketurtles

  

  karen lotz;865350 wrote:It sounded tongue in cheek when he said it. I think he made a little comment after along the lines of "yeah sure."

  
  Yeah that's how I took it as well.
  
  OhioStatePride yeah I love him as well.
• LJ

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865326 wrote:I sincerely feel bad for Miami fans.

  
  Their only "fans" are ex-players, so who cares