The U in the NCAA's Scopes

• Terry_Tate

  

  Mulva;865990 wrote:Also ironic, the August 22nd edition of ESPN the magazine (I know, garbage magazine horrible journalism etc) has a story about Gordon Gee and the failed joke response about hoping "Tressel doesn't fire him". A little excerpt:
  
  
  
  Derp.

  
  That's gold right there. Fantastic.
• dazedconfused

  

  wow, this whole story is unbelievable! charles robinson did an incredible job with this. it screams death penalty but i'd say miami gets the "life in prison" treatment - something like 5 year bowl ban and loss of 10 scholarships per year over that timeframe.
  
  also shalala, dee, haith and any other coaches or administration members that knew of it should immediately be removed of their duties and essentially black-listed in the college athletic universe
• chicago510

  

  se-alum;865028 wrote:I agree with your sentiment, but there are current players implicated as well. This went on from 2002-2010.

  
  I meant the players who aren't implicated. There are over 80 guys on that team. Yes a certain 10 guys or so are named, but the backup punter, etc will suffer for actions of other guys who are already in or will likely go to the NFL
• Scooter1369

  

  In light of Willis McGahee's name being on the list of players to have received illegal benefits from Shapiro, I'd like to just leave this comment here for laughter and ridicule
  

  Asked specifically if Miami should be declared national champions if Ohio State won with ineligible players, McGahee said: “I feel we were cheated anyway. We beat them. The pass interference with the eligible, ineligible players. It wouldn’t have made any difference. I can’t get my money back that I missed out on a second ring. If they did [cheat] I’d like to have my ring.”

• chicago510

  

  The meal turned out to be an NCAA violation - one of many minor ones Gee commits each year. "I'm more self-reported than any president in the country," he quips.
  
  Again, others might not laugh. At Miami, president Donna Shalala personally hires each coach. She studies the NCAA rulebook and weekly compliance reports. During football games, she scours the sidelines for suspicious guests. "I'm on alert all the time," she says.

  LOL. Add that to this zinger of hypocrisy from former Miami AD Paul Dee while he was NCAA infractions director in the Reggie Bush investigation:
  

  "High profile players demand high-profile compliance," Dee said 14 months ago in reference to Reggie Bush. "USC should have known"

  I guess McGahee, Winslow, Hester, Wilfork, et al just weren't high profile enough.
• dazedconfused

  

  also loved the hilarity of the antrel rolle interview on sportscenter. almost seemed like he was trying to act like everyone hadn't already seen all the damning photos lol
• Manhattan Buckeye

  WebFire;865710 wrote:I'd like to see severe scholly reductions and major bowl bans if all this Miami stuff can be proven.

  
  What's left to be proven? Were you one of the Casey Anthony jurors? Shapiro might be a rat, but the rat's tale is being backed up by evidence and confirmation from people with no reason to lie.
• sleeper

  

  It doesn't really matter to me what happens to the U. The team I root for is actually good and wins games that matter. I'm sure fans of ND/Michigan/Florida probably care because they have nothing better to do than talk about other teams issues. I guess if my team's best season in the next 20 years will be due to a weak schedule and at best will get my team a mediocre bowl game, I'd probably spend time talking about violations of other teams.
• j_crazy

  

  I agree sleeper. Ohio state should drop michigan from the schedule. they need to play legitimate teams. who would you suggest? Miami (OH), Toledo, Kent St., Ohio U.?
• WebFire

  j_crazy;866150 wrote:I agree sleeper. Ohio state should drop michigan from the schedule. they need to play legitimate teams. who would you suggest? Miami (OH), Toledo, Kent St., Ohio U.?

  
  Troll! Wha wha! You are a troll. Sniff sniff.
• WebFire

  Manhattan Buckeye;866072 wrote:What's left to be proven? Were you one of the Casey Anthony jurors? Shapiro might be a rat, but the rat's tale is being backed up by evidence and confirmation from people with no reason to lie.

  
  I'm not saying it isn't proven. I haven't went through everything. Hell, there is a lot of info! I'm just saying if everything is true, it deserves severe sanctions. Some of the stuff hasn't been proven.
  
  And, if you don't understand why Casey went free, I hope you never are a juror.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  LJ;865516 wrote:Pretty sure the first solicitation was 300k, then ended up getting 180k from Auburn

  
  This.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  OhioStatePride2003;865541 wrote:Regardless, read the bottom part... the SEC hasn't be in any trouble, at least not in the magnitude of other conferences, in the last few years So Cam's father solicited for his services for whatever amount... what school, if any, was punnished for this? That is what I meant.

  
  For those who may struggle at basic math...
  
  $300,000 (Cam Newton) > $100,000+ (Reggie Bush) > $10,000+ (Terrelle Pryor, DeVier Posey, Dan Herron, Mike Adams, Solomon Thomas)
• darbypitcher22

  

  OneBuckeye;865199 wrote:More you say?
  
  

  
  Mad Reps
• WebFire

  Scarlet_Buckeye;866162 wrote:For those who may struggle at basic math...
  
  $300,000 (Cam Newton) > $100,000+ (Reggie Bush) > $10,000+ (Terrelle Pryor, DeVier Posey, Dan Herron, Mike Adams, Solomon Thomas)

  
  Hmmmm. Auburn didn't get in trouble (yet) for the Cam Newton deal. I think we've established that. And USC isn't in the SEC. So I'm not sure what your point is.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  WebFire;865588 wrote:We'll never see the death penalty again. They gave it to a deserving SMU, and then felt bad about it. The NCAA is weak.

  
  After watching Pony Express, I thought the NCAA said they had no idea the level of punishment for the "Death Penalty" was going to be THAT devastating. I could have sworn they said they never would level that punishment again, even if it was "warranted" or "worse" than what SMU did.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  Anyone else thinking about Seantrel Henderson and laughing, or am I the only one?!
• enigmaax

  Scarlet_Buckeye;866162 wrote:For those who may struggle at basic math...
  
  $300,000 (Cam Newton) > $100,000+ (Reggie Bush) > $10,000+ (Terrelle Pryor, DeVier Posey, Dan Herron, Mike Adams, Solomon Thomas)

  
  Reggie Bush allegedly got 300K. Cam Newton's dad asked Miss St for 180K (which he did not receive from them). Even if it turns out that Auburn paid more, the only real point to your numbers here are you get what you pay for.
  
  USC = Cheaters = 300K = 2 National Titles, Heisman
  Auburn = Cheaters = 180K = National Title, Heisman
  OSU = Cheaters = 10K = Fired Coach
• derek bomar

  

  Scooter1369;866035 wrote:In light of Willis McGahee's name being on the list of players to have received illegal benefits from Shapiro, I'd like to just leave this comment here for laughter and ridicule

  
  I called out McGahee on twitter yesterday and he responded... full of lulz
• WebFire

  Manhattan Buckeye;866072 wrote:What's left to be proven? Were you one of the Casey Anthony jurors? Shapiro might be a rat, but the rat's tale is being backed up by evidence and confirmation from people with no reason to lie.

  
  Case in point. Based on this evidence, you would but Miami in the slammer.
  
  "On Robert Marve’s allegation page, Yahoo! shows a September credit card statement with a bill at Cameo night club, which Shapiro alleges that he took UM players to after a 2008 loss to FSU."
  
  However...
  
  "A simple fact check from Yahoo! would have shown that UM and FSU played in October that year, therefore disproving Shapiro’s version of events."
  
  It's never that simple. I think after the shock value of this story wears off, people will start tearing about the "evidence" and making heads and tails of it.
• Iliketurtles

  

  WebFire;866197 wrote:Case in point. Based on this evidence, you would but Miami in the slammer.
  
  "On Robert Marve’s allegation page, Yahoo! shows a September credit card statement with a bill at Cameo night club, which Shapiro alleges that he took UM players to after a 2008 loss to FSU."
  
  However...
  
  "A simple fact check from Yahoo! would have shown that UM and FSU played in October that year, therefore disproving Shapiro’s version of events."
  
  It's never that simple. I think after the shock value of this story wears off, people will start tearing about the "evidence" and making heads and tails of it.

  Webbie just let the buckeye fans be hypocritical. Its ok to call out another program and say they should get the death penalty even tho all the facts/evidence haven't been confirmed. But you're not allowed to do it to OSU. Do I think there is more actual evidence in the Miami case probably, do I think whats happened at Miami is worse then OSU yes!
• WebFire

  Iliketurtles;866239 wrote:Webbie just let the buckeye fans be hypocritical. Its ok to call out another program and say they should get the death penalty even tho all the facts/evidence haven't been confirmed. But you're not allowed to do it to OSU. Do I think there is more actual evidence in the Miami case probably, do I think whats happened at Miami is worse then OSU yes!

  
  Don't get me wrong. This Miami shit is deep and they are gonna pay. But there is so much out there right now, and there is a very high shock value. Once the dust settles, we'll be able to separate fact from lie. Receipts don't really prove anything. A lot of pictures don't prove anything. That doesn't mean the proof isn't out there. It might just be a matter of matching the pieces up.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  WebFire;866197 wrote:Case in point. Based on this evidence, you would but Miami in the slammer.
  
  "On Robert Marve’s allegation page, Yahoo! shows a September credit card statement with a bill at Cameo night club, which Shapiro alleges that he took UM players to after a 2008 loss to FSU."
  
  However...
  
  "A simple fact check from Yahoo! would have shown that UM and FSU played in October that year, therefore disproving Shapiro’s version of events.
  It's never that simple. I think after the shock value of this story wears off, people will start tearing about the "evidence" and making heads and tails of it.

  
  It isn't the receipt, it is the confirmation of former players with no reason to lie.
  
  What is the angle there?
  
  And I'd appreciate a little more respect, considering you can't even put a "put" instead of a "but".
  
  Troll.
• WebFire

  Manhattan Buckeye;866308 wrote:It isn't the receipt, it is the confirmation of former players with no reason to lie.
  
  What is the angle there?
  
  And I'd appreciate a little more respect, considering you can't even put a "put" instead of a "but".
  
  Troll.

  
  You mean the anonymous players?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Is Tyrone Moss anonymous?
  
  Keep digging. You'll be in Ty Webb territory soon.
  
  Have you even remotely followed this story? This is quite possibly the biggest scandal in college football history, even eclipsing SMU.