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  • JerseyBuck
    NCAA told Miami it will consider applying "willful violator" clause, meaning it will go back more than 4 years.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=ys-miami_violations_statute_of_limitations_081811
  • j_crazy
    se-alum;866821 wrote:Looks like the cleanup project has commenced:

    is spence eligible for the supp draft? he should go (he'd be ahead of TP on my board).
  • OhioStatePride2003
    JerseyBuck;866837 wrote:NCAA told Miami it will consider applying "willful violator" clause, meaning it will go back more than 4 years.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=ys-miami_violations_statute_of_limitations_081811

    No surprise here, imo. Da' U is about to get rocked.

    Is this seriously going to be talked about for the next 8-10 months? I wish Miami would exercise their right to a speedy trial! Ha.

    Can't wait 'til the games start!
  • Big Gain
    The Yahoo writer says he has 2nd and 3rd sources for everything in the article. He says he has twice as much stuff that he doesn't have 2nd sources for yet. Shapiro has 1000's of pictures, credit card receipts and canceled checks. This is just the beginning.

    This journalist makes the SI crew look like middle school cry baby liars.
  • ts1227
    I was listening to the podcast of yesterday's SVP show (it was Gottleib), and I think he was talking to the Yahoo guy. They asked about how truthful all of this is. Apparently while there may not be stuff to 100% back up EVERYTHING Shapiro said, there is absolutely no evidence that makes him look like a liar (and this guy is a professional liar, he's a Ponzi schemer!) They said they went in assuming everything was a lie and would have to be proven otherwise, and came out pretty convinced.
  • karen lotz
    I heard the same interview ts. That is pretty much exactly what Robinson said.
  • WebFire
    Big Gain;866907 wrote:The Yahoo writer says he has 2nd and 3rd sources for everything in the article. He says he has twice as much stuff that he doesn't have 2nd sources for yet. Shapiro has 1000's of pictures, credit card receipts and canceled checks. This is just the beginning.

    This journalist makes the SI crew look like middle school cry baby liars.

    Yeah, this dude definitely did his homework.
  • se-alum
    WebFire;866987 wrote:Yeah, this dude definitely did his homework.

    I still think Robinson is a douche, but it seems like he definitely put the work into this one.
  • SportsAndLady
    se-alum;866991 wrote:I still think Robinson is a douche, but it seems like he definitely put the work into this one.

    Why?
  • se-alum
    SportsAndLady;867004 wrote:Why?

    Just based on some of the comments I've seen him make on Twitter. Just seems like an arrogant dude. Good journalist though.
  • chicago510
    se-alum;867015 wrote:Just based on some of the comments I've seen him make on Twitter. Just seems like an arrogant dude. Good journalist though.

    The people who are at the top of their profession tend to be arrogant. He is as good as they come, wonder how much Yahoo pays him.
  • dazedconfused
    se-alum;866664 wrote:Randy Shannon corroborates the findings, and completely dismantles the Miami program. Especially, if he has knowledge of the AD(or even worse, the Pres) knowing about the players interactions w/ Shapiro.

    agreed. if true, shannon has the ability to be the trump card. somebody in the media needs to get him in front of a microphone. i'd love to hear his side
  • Speedofsand
    "I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating." :)


    Larry Coker is coach at Texas-San Antonio now. NCAA will be calling him.


    and this news from Hocutt
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/18/2365760/ex-university-of-miami-athletic.html
    Ex-University of Miami athletic director ‘sick to my stomach’
    But what Hocutt didn’t say to Texas Tech during the interview process — or to UM football coach Al Golden when he hired him in December — is that Miami had contacted the NCAA in August 2010 to warn that Shapiro was making allegations of improprieties within the Hurricanes’ program.

    “It wasn’t on my radar screen because seven months had elapsed from the allegations to the time that I came to Texas Tech, and there were no further allegations made or questions to come forward relating to this situation,” Hocutt told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal on Wednesday. “It was accusations from a convicted felon that stole $930 million that was being made from jail. It wasn’t an active case. It wasn’t an open case.”

    yeah, riiight.
  • darbypitcher22
    Da U is about to go down in flames
  • OhioStatePride2003
    This is an extremely long article, so I just skimmed through it. This guy went through every single allegation and found reasons why Yahoo! might just be full of crap. Of the 72 players accused, he claims the number should be more like 12. Gives his reasons that Crime U won't get the death penalty, which were already discussed on this thread. For one, this guy has entirely way too much time on his hands. I don't care if it's 5, 8, 12, 48, 72, or 8000 - Miami is in serious trouble. Even if there's only 12 players that are "violation worthy", the severity of the violations are still enough to cripple the university.

    http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/
  • sportswizuhrd
    OhioStatePride2003;867172 wrote:This is an extremely long article, so I just skimmed through it. This guy went through every single allegation and found reasons why Yahoo! might just be full of crap. Of the 72 players accused, he claims the number should be more like 12. Gives his reasons that Crime U won't get the death penalty, which were already discussed on this thread. For one, this guy has entirely way too much time on his hands. I don't care if it's 5, 8, 12, 48, 72, or 8000 - Miami is in serious trouble. Even if there's only 12 players that are "violation worthy", the severity of the violations are still enough to cripple the university.

    http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/
    Some of this stuff is funny and does provide good points.
    Not only does this evidence have NOTHING to do with the accusations Yahoo! made (of which they offer no direct evidence), but the phone records are from AFTER Phillips left Miami.
    The dirty little reporting trick Yahoo! played time and again was to claim they used evidence to corroborate Shapiro’s claims. And, in some instances, they absolutely did. But, in instances (as with the abortion claim) where Yahoo! had no evidence other than the word of the felon, they printed the accusation anyway. This allowed Yahoo! to claim that they had fully vetted claims that they had not. In the alleged abortion incident, not even the player would know of his involvement (Shapiro claimed to have never informed the player), yet Yahoo! felt it was fit to print that accusation.
    On 5 occasions, Yahoo! printed accusations against players with no evidence whatsoever other than Shapiro’s word.
    On 19 occasions, Yahoo! printed an accusation against a player and corroborated that accusation with a credit card charge. Yahoo! had NO WAY of actually linking those charges to the players other than Shapiro’s word. This is akin to me telling a reporter that I bought a TV for Tim Tebow in 2008, and as proof, I have my Discover Card statement with a charge at Best Buy. Except in Yahoo!’s case, their use of this non-evidence is even worse because the source is a known liar who is admittedly trying to get the school in trouble.
  • OhioStatePride2003
    sportswizuhrd;867205 wrote:Some of this stuff is funny and does provide good points.

    They do make good points, but the whole "He's a felon, he's a liar" crap is old. You gotta start somewhere when it comes to investigating, and he obviously has more than enough crap on Miami that the NCAA thought it was necessary to start it's investigation 5 months ago. He may be a "liar" when it comes to certain allegations, but like I said - you can pick any 2-3 players you want out of the "12" and it's still enough to smack Miami pretty hard. And like what was said earlier, the NCAA is now looking beyond the statue of limitations window.
  • sportswizuhrd
    Gooden-2008 draft
    Green-2002 was a senior
    Harris-2006 draft
    Hester-2006 draft
    McDougal-2003 draft
    McGahee-2003 draft
    Moss-2006 was a senior
    Nanton-2005 senior
    Thomas-undrafted in 05 draft
    Wilfork-drafted in 2004
    Winslow-drafted in 2004
    Williams-drafted in 2004

    Let's say Shapiro only releases the names of those who fit inside the window, then out of the 12, you only find Moss and Gooden violation worthy. Does the NCAA then dig further? They seem to rely on this guys word too much and that is why they are choosing to actually dig further.
  • enigmaax
    OhioStatePride2003;867226 wrote: "He's a felon, he's a liar" crap is old. You gotta start somewhere when it comes to investigating, and he obviously has more than enough crap on Miami that the NCAA thought it was necessary to start it's investigation 5 months ago.

    He has obviously said more than enough crap, but in this case the "liar" characteristic is a lot different than say, some guys who are in prison for selling drugs. This guy isn't just a liar, he's a professional liar. His ability to lie helped him accumulate 930 MILLION DOLLARS over the years. That's a pretty good liar. I would personally love to see Miami, um, cease to exist and I think they'll get hit hard, but when it all shakes out I'll doubt that most of the things listed will be in the realm of consideration for the NCAA.
  • ytownfootball
    They'll get hit harder than anyone else has in recent memory, but it won't be SMU-esque. The paper trail will kill them but the nature of the violations isn't as bad as we all would like. Players weren't stuffing their mattresses, they rode some boats, had a few cocktails and shit.
  • enigmaax
    Found this to be funny:
    As part of his sentence, Shapiro has been ordered to pay nearly $83 million in restitution, and he plans to write a book to help raise those funds.

    "We thought once this got out, inevitably, there would be someone interested in writing the book," Perez said. "That's how he hopes to make the victims whole."
  • Scarlet_Fever
    ytownfootball;867238 wrote:They'll get hit harder than anyone else has in recent memory, but it won't be SMU-esque. The paper trail will kill them but the nature of the violations isn't as bad as we all would like. Players weren't stuffing their mattresses, they rode some boats, had a few cocktails and ****.
    I'm not sure you've read all the alligations.
  • vball10set
    Scarlet_Fever;867268 wrote:I'm not sure you've read all the alligations.
  • WebFire
    Well it's awfully funny that today, everyone seems to be talking about what I was yesterday. But I got raked over coals and called a troll. :rolleyes: :confused:
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    vball10set;867273 wrote:

    Hilarious!