The U in the NCAA's Scopes

• WebFire

  Manhattan Buckeye;866342 wrote:This is quite possibly the biggest scandal in college football history, even eclipsing SMU.

  
  This tells me all I need to know about you.
  
  Did I attack you? No. But I am now. Fuck you.
• sleeper

  

  j_crazy;866150 wrote:I agree sleeper. Ohio state should drop michigan from the schedule. they need to play legitimate teams. who would you suggest? Miami (OH), Toledo, Kent St., Ohio U.?

  
  After we drop Michigan, I'd like to see the MAC schools replaced with ND, Florida, and Mississippi State. They aren't any more difficult, but then you have a schedule even SEC fans would say is the hardest in the nation.
• ts1227

  

  Friendly reminder: someone simply disagreeing with the majority does not make them a troll.
• WebFire

  ts1227;866371 wrote:Friendly reminder: someone simply disagreeing with the majority does not make them a troll.

  
  Sad part is I don't disagree with anything here. Simply stating it will be interested to see what sorts out as truth with proof behind it.
• WebFire

  Manhattan Buckeye;866342 wrote:Is Tyrone Moss anonymous?
  
  Keep digging. You'll be in Ty Webb territory soon.
  
  Have you even remotely followed this story? This is quite possibly the biggest scandal in college football history, even eclipsing SMU.

  
  BTW, this is certainly proof towards the case. But so far that is 1 player out of dozens Shapiro named. Will the rest step up? What if they don't? See what I mean? No different that the SI OSU article saying that sources saw players doing this and that. If the sources stay anonymous, it doesn't really matter.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  WebFire;866357 wrote:This tells me all I need to know about you.
  
  Did I attack you? No. But I am now. **** you.

  
  
• WebFire

  Writerbuckeye;866383 wrote:

  
  Yippee! You got me!
• se-alum

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;866342 wrote:Is Tyrone Moss anonymous?
  
  Keep digging. You'll be in Ty Webb territory soon.
  
  Have you even remotely followed this story? This is quite possibly the biggest scandal in college football history, even eclipsing SMU.

  
  This isn't as bad as the SMU scandal. They were paying recruits to attend SMU, as well as setting up the parents with homes and jobs. Allegedly, Miami payed 1 recruit in the basketball program, and I haven't seen any evidence of them paying football recruits. It seems like the relationships were forged after the players were on campus, although I'm sure some recruits knew what was going on, and came to Miami for the perks.
• enigmaax

  se-alum;866408 wrote:This isn't as bad as the SMU scandal. They were paying recruits to attend SMU, as well as setting up the parents with homes and jobs. Allegedly, Miami payed 1 recruit in the basketball program, and I haven't seen any evidence of them paying football recruits. It seems like the relationships were forged after the players were on campus, although I'm sure some recruits knew what was going on, and came to Miami for the perks.

  
  Two things that will make it difficult for anything to ever be worse than SMU: 1) involvement of administrators and a Governor, 2) after being hammered, the mentality was that since they already promised certain players money, they would have to honor that - so they kept right on doing the exact thing that had already landed them in trouble.
• j_crazy

  

  lulz. to my knowledge there are only about 2 U of Miami fans on this site, neither has posted here, and it's still turned into an e-fight.
  
  IMHO some of the OSU fans were too happy to have this story break, but the non-OSU fans are taking it to another level.
  
  I agree that some of this shit is probably false, but what's true is still likely to be more damning than anything that OSU was even accused of. Especially if there is proof that any of the coaches were involved or knew anything. Either way, I'm happy that the microscope is off of OSU, not happy that another program was breaking rules and will likely get in trouble. I just want fair reporting on these things and we're not getting it from anyone. Yahoo, ESPN, or any of the other media outlets have devoted 95% of their time to these 2 scandals, with several way more important (IMO) scandals getting overlooked.
• stroups

  

  It was always my understand what got smu the death penalty is after they got caught red handed they continued to pay some players and the ncaa just gave them the bamhammer.
• karen lotz

  

  Yes, they pretty much had a payroll with players on contract. They didn't pay anymore players coming into the program, but for everyone they were already paying they continued. They were afraid if they stopped, those people would squeal to the NCAA and it would be an even bigger shitstorm.
• WebFire

  j_crazy;866451 wrote:lulz. to my knowledge there are only about 2 U of Miami fans on this site, neither has posted here, and it's still turned into an e-fight.
  
  IMHO some of the OSU fans were too happy to have this story break, but the non-OSU fans are taking it to another level.
  
  I agree that some of this shit is probably false, but what's true is still likely to be more damning than anything that OSU was even accused of. Especially if there is proof that any of the coaches were involved or knew anything. Either way, I'm happy that the microscope is off of OSU, not happy that another program was breaking rules and will likely get in trouble. I just want fair reporting on these things and we're not getting it from anyone. Yahoo, ESPN, or any of the other media outlets have devoted 95% of their time to these 2 scandals, with several way more important (IMO) scandals getting overlooked.

  
  Agree with this post 100%.
• Speedofsand

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;866308 wrote:It isn't the receipt, it is the confirmation of former players with no reason to lie.
  
  What is the angle there?
  
  And I'd appreciate a little more respect, considering you can't even put a "put" instead of a "but".
  
  Troll.

  
  You attacked him first asking if he was a Casey Anthony juror, Manhattan Troll.
  I think the angle was that not every last word of Shapiro is true. He may be right on every other allegation, but that evidence clearly proves that it could not have been after an FSU loss in Sept. because they played in October.
  Shapiro really liked Marve, but he ratted him out anyway. The guy told every last thing he could think of to tear down the canes program, you can't expect his memory to be perfect and objective.
• enigmaax

  stroups;866457 wrote:It was always my understand what got smu the death penalty is after they got caught red handed they continued to pay some players and the ncaa just gave them the bamhammer.

  karen lotz;866463 wrote:Yes, they pretty much had a payroll with players on contract. They didn't pay anymore players coming into the program, but for everyone they were already paying they continued. They were afraid if they stopped, those people would squeal to the NCAA and it would be an even bigger ****storm.

  
  Yes - they had two different cases. They were punished for the first and the case was closed. They kept going and got caught again. Repeat offender = Death Penalty.
  
  That is why I don't think it'll even be on the table for Miami (even if the NCAA wasn't gun shy about that particular penalty). It was never about how much they gave or for how long they were giving it. It wasn't even about who was involved (President, AD). It was entirely about already being on probation and being caught again. Miami is going to get hammered, but it is still only one case.
• j_crazy

  

  enigmaax;866480 wrote:Yes - they had two different cases. They were punished for the first and the case was closed. They kept going and got caught again. Repeat offender = Death Penalty.
  
  That is why I don't think it'll even be on the table for Miami (even if the NCAA wasn't gun shy about that particular penalty). It was never about how much they gave or for how long they were giving it. It wasn't even about who was involved (President, AD). It was entirely about already being on probation and being caught again. Miami is going to get hammered, but it is still only one case.

  
  yeah but they were sanctioned in 2003 for a baseball thing (just outside the window of the pell grant fiasco), and shapiro started his thing in 2002 and never stopped for the 5 year grace period. to me that screams repeat offender if they can prove anything. we will wait and see how the NCAA handles this and what they find and can prove.
• enigmaax

  j_crazy;866619 wrote:yeah but they were sanctioned in 2003 for a baseball thing (just outside the window of the pell grant fiasco), and shapiro started his thing in 2002 and never stopped for the 5 year grace period. to me that screams repeat offender if they can prove anything. we will wait and see how the NCAA handles this and what they find and can prove.

  
  Yeah, I saw something about the baseball thing a few minutes ago. That could certainly change the outlook - a lot of variables. Going to be interesting (and fun).
• JerseyBuck

  

  Not sure if it's been posted here but this sounds very bad for Miami
  

  "Sources have told CaneSport that shortly after he was named to replace Larry Coker in 2007 that Shannon threatened his coaching staff with firings if they ever dealt with Shapiro and warned his players about Shapiro multiple times in team meetings during his four-year coaching tenure."
  
  "When asked by CaneSport to confirm the details provided by another source in attendance for Shannon's talks at the team meetings, a former Miami football staffer no longer employed by the school responded "Absolutely" when asked if he remembered Shannon specifically telling Miami players to stay away from Shapiro."
  
  "Shannon's rejection of Shapiro was a touchy issue for former athletic director Kirby Hocutt and individuals responsible for fund raising because Shannon refused to even talk to Shapiro, who for some time could be counted on to write big checks to the department."
  
  Shapiro would constantly call anybody in the athletic department that would listen and launch into blistering, profanity-laced and racially-charged tirades at the perceived lack of respect he was being shown by the head coach.

  http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1253198
• se-alum

  

  Randy Shannon corroborates the findings, and completely dismantles the Miami program. Especially, if he has knowledge of the AD(or even worse, the Pres) knowing about the players interactions w/ Shapiro.
• j_crazy

  

  WebFire;866469 wrote:Agree with this post 100%.

  
  then rep it. i'm trying to win that race. to hell with vbookie (as I'm like 0 for 200 on bets).
• Sykotyk

  

  JerseyBuck;866636 wrote:Not sure if it's been posted here but this sounds very bad for Miami
  
  
  
  http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1253198

  
  
  If even part of the evidence is proven against Miami, they're in trouble. How much trouble will be based on exactly how high up the knowledge went.
• Speedofsand

  

  That rivals report makes Randy Shannon look pretty damn good. Can't wait to hear what he has to say about all this. He could bury the U but he has to be careful not to incriminate himself. (How much did he know and not tell?) I can't believe the admin was dumb enough to let Shapiro do all this when the head coach was aware of and against it.
• sportchampps

  Is hocutt the former ou and
• SportsAndLady

  

  sportchampps;866779 wrote:Is hocutt the former ou and

  
  Yes.
  
  He is now at Texas Tech, though.
• se-alum

  

  Looks like the cleanup project has commenced:
  

  incarceratedbob incarcerated bob
  
  
  
  **BREAKING NCAAF NEWS**Source: Miami U will make "at least" 3 current players *INELIGIBLE* to start the season including (LB) Sean Spence