How Much Trouble Is OSU and Tressel in Now?!

• centralbucksfan

  karen lotz;708277 wrote:No intent to deceive or gain an advantage? He said in an interview that he knew it was inevitable the players in question would be ruled ineligible. He deceived everyone so he could gain an advantage by keeping them on the field. Come on man.

  
  So everytime a coach gets an email, or someone has hearsay about players...from that moment on, they are ineligible? Is that what your saying? Its the coaches job to look into things at that point, IF he feels he needs to. Its a judgement call IMO. I can only imagine how often they get "hearsay" about players. Maybe Tress did in fact look into it, and didn't find anything out? Ever think of that? Now I won't argue the fact that in Dec., when things did go down, he obviously then didn't say anything.
  BUT, you can sit there and say these guys "should" have been ineligible just because he got an email on something.
• karen lotz

  

  lhslep134;708385 wrote:I've held off on bashing you on this point but you keep bringing it up so it leaves me no choice.
  
  Jim Tressel said those words on February 8 before this whole thing busted on his face, and he was referring to once he found out who the players were that were involved. None of the emails from April name specific players. So no, he didn't fucking know in April who it was and who would be ineligible.
  
  So quit bringing up a moot point, or actually, keep repeating it over and over and over again to satisfy your narrow mind.

  Ok now I'm sure you aren't actually bothering to read anything. The emails named Pryor and Posey specifically. They were blacked out. The lawyer has come out and said the 2 players he mentioned in the email were Pryor and Posey. So yes, he did know who it was and he knew they would be ineligible. He was an AD and has been a head coach for how long? You honestly believe that he didn't know that was a violation that would lead to players involved being ineligible?
  
  Talk about a narrow mind. My god.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;708393 wrote:It's not even worth discussing the situation with people who want to believe Tressel "forgot" about the emails. It's just plain dumb.

  
  Just like its not worth discussing with an antagonist. YOu fucking argue anything and everything on here. Boarderline ridiculous.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;708170 wrote:Come on, your not that stupid to actually think or believe what was released to the media was the same as what was given to the NCAA, do you?
  
  ....there is MUCH more, good or bad, to this than what we are seeing or reading. I am not defending Tressel at all. But he isn't as stupid as this looks. He had his reason, and I can't believe he thought this would just go away. But lets not make something out of nothing...

  
  Yes, I do think what the media got it's hands on is exactly what was turned over to the NCAA. Isn't it all public information, since OSU is a state school? I seriously don't know, but that was my thought.
  
  Make something out of nothing? There is something there and a lot of questions unanswered. Tressel lied at his news conference when he said that he was asked for confidentiality originally. He also said he didn't know who to go to? He's really insulting us all with some of those statements.
• Big Gain

  2quik4u;708357 wrote:he should be suspended the whole year just like dez bryant was

  
  ^^^^ Inconsequential Nobody^^^^ Proving his ignorance. NO WHERE in the NCAA bylaws does it compare coach's infractions with player's infractions.
  
  Is it an infraction for a coach to take $100 from a booster? Is it an infraction if a player doesn't squeal on a teammate?
  
  Tressel's penalties should be compared with and determined by other coach's penalties. Bruce Pearl was fined $300k per year for 5 years and was not allowed to coach in 20-25% of his team's games this year alone. Pearl could still prepare and coach his team in practices every day of the week. He just couldn't sit on the bench and coach during the games.
  
  Use a modicum of intellect.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Another gem for those who want to ignore the facts, and this is directly from the report:
  
  

  While explaining the extenuating circumstances surrounding his failure to report the information, Coach Tressel admitted during his February 8, 2011 interview that he understood that: (i) not reporting the information constituted a NCAA violation; (ii) he knew "there would be consequences," including NCAA violations involving the student-athletes for selling memorabilia at some point; (iii) he did not "look at" eligibility issues prior to December 2010, although he thought the involved student-athletes would eventually be ineligible; and (iv) the "inevitable" would occur at some point if the student-athletes were involved in criminal and/or NCAA violations.

• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;708399 wrote:Yes, I do think what the media got it's hands on is exactly what was turned over to the NCAA. Isn't it all public information, since OSU is a state school? I seriously don't know, but that was my thought.
  
  Make something out of nothing? There is something there and a lot of questions unanswered. Tressel lied at his news conference when he said that he was asked for confidentiality originally. He also said he didn't know who to go to? He's really insulting us all with some of those statements.

  What, you actually don't know something? YOu actually admit there are a lot of unanswered questions? Oh wait, he lied at the news conference? How do you know, for a fact? You ever deal with what he is dealing with? Do you understand what Gene Smith said when there are certain things they CANNOT discuss, nor will they? That tells you right there, that NO, everything in fact was not released...right? If it was, why would he say there are certain things they are unable to discuss?
  BOTTOM LINE...so much speculation going on..that NOBODY but those on the inside truly know what went on. If its as simple as things that were released...then they wouldn't have said what they did in the presser. Its obviously not.
• KR1245

  

  karen lotz;708313 wrote:You think the 2 games is sufficient?

  
  No. Thats why I said 4 or 5 if the NCAA gets involved. Some of the posts on this thread are a joke. The man made a mistake and he is going to suffer because of it. What else do you people want? Good lord.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;708410 wrote:Another gem for those who want to ignore the facts, and this is directly from the report:

  
  Well no shit sherlock...I mean thats just what happened. Its after the fact when everything had already come down on OSU and the players.
• KR1245

  

  centralbucksfan;708397 wrote:Just like its not worth discussing with an antagonist. YOu fucking argue anything and everything on here. Boarderline ridiculous.

  
  This is true.
• karen lotz

  

  Big Gain;708406 wrote:^^^^ Inconsequential Nobody^^^^ Proving his ignorance. NO WHERE in the NCAA bylaws does it compare coach's infractions with player's infractions.
  
  Is it an infraction for a coach to take $100 from a booster? Is it an infraction if a player doesn't squeal on a teammate?
  
  Tressel's penalties should be compared with and determined by other coach's penalties. Bruce Pearl was fined $300k per year for 5 years and was not allowed to coach in 20-25% of his team's games this year alone. Pearl could still prepare and coach his team in practices every day of the week. He just couldn't sit on the bench and coach during the games.
  
  Use a modicum of intellect.

  Again, you are wrong with this stuff about Pearl. He was suspended 50% of the SEC schedule. So you agree Tressel should miss the first 4 or 5 Big Ten games, correct?
  
  Just because you use the word 'modicum' doesn't mean you have any intelligence.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;708411 wrote:What, you actually don't know something? YOu actually admit there are a lot of unanswered questions? Oh wait, he lied at the news conference? How do you know, for a fact? You ever deal with what he is dealing with? Do you understand what Gene Smith said when there are certain things they CANNOT discuss, nor will they? That tells you right there, that NO, everything in fact was not released...right? If it was, why would he say there are certain things they are unable to discuss?
  BOTTOM LINE...so much speculation going on..that NOBODY but those on the inside truly know what went on. If its as simple as things that were released...then they wouldn't have said what they did in the presser. Its obviously not.

  
  Yes, he lied at the presser. That is proven. He said he didn't go forward immediately because he didn't know who to contact and also because he was asked for confidentiality. Both of those statements are not true.
  
  I really don't even know what you are saying in your post. They released their document that was submitted to the NCAA. I read it. Did it include everything? I highly doubt it.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;708413 wrote:Well no shit sherlock...I mean thats just what happened. Its after the fact when everything had already come down on OSU and the players.

  
  What? Tressel basically said he knew he was playing with ineligible players.
• centralbucksfan

  karen lotz;708416 wrote:Again, you are wrong with this stuff about Pearl. He was suspended 50% of the SEC schedule. So you agree Tressel should miss the first 4 or 5 Big Ten games, correct?
  
  Just because you use the word 'modicum' doesn't mean you have any intelligence.

  
  Pearl was cheating in recruiting AND lied to the NCAA. There was MUCH more to the Pearl situation.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;708421 wrote:Pearl was cheating in recruiting AND lied to the NCAA. There was MUCH more to the Pearl situation.

  
  Tressel played with what he "thought to be" ineligible players and lied to the NCAA. How was their MUCH more than Tressel's situation?
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;708420 wrote:What? Tressel basically said he knew he was playing with ineligible players.

  
  he did not "look at" eligibility issues prior to December 2010, although he thought the involved student-athletes would eventually be ineligible; and (iv) the "inevitable" would occur at some point if the student-athletes were involved in criminal and/or NCAA violations.
  
  "IF the student athletes were involved in criminal and/or NCAA violations"
  
  IF, IF, IF...meaning in Dec, he didn't know IF they would be at that point.....
  
  
  Damn, do you enjoy twisting EVERYTHING ...
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;708424 wrote:he did not "look at" eligibility issues prior to December 2010, although he thought the involved student-athletes would eventually be ineligible; and (iv) the "inevitable" would occur at some point if the student-athletes were involved in criminal and/or NCAA violations.
  
  "IF the student athletes were involved in criminal and/or NCAA violations"
  
  IF, IF, IF...meaning in Dec, he didn't IF they would be at that point.....
  
  
  Damn, do you enjoy twisting EVERYTHING ...

  
  It's not an IF. They were in violation. Remember, they are suspended for games next year. It's a fact. Tressel knew what they were involved in back in April. Don't make this more difficult than what it is.
• karen lotz

  

  centralbucksfan;708421 wrote:Pearl was cheating in recruiting AND lied to the NCAA. There was MUCH more to the Pearl situation.

  
  I'm not comparing Pearl to Tressel, Big Gain is. He continually thinks that 8 out of 16 conference games is equal to 2 games against Akron and Toledo.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;708428 wrote:It's not an IF. They were in violation. Remember, they are suspended for games next year. It's a fact. Tressel knew what they were involved in back in April. Don't make this more difficult than what it is.

  
  Read what the fuck I wrote on top of the page. So, everytime a coach gets an email or gets hearsay about a player, they are automatically ineligible? You just don't get it and want to believe what you want to believe. What if Tress looked into it back then, and found nothing? What if he confronted the players, and they denied and said nothing was going on? A coach isn't always going to run to the AD everytime they hear something or get an email. You think Gene Smith wants to hear from every freaking OSU coach each time they get an email or "hearsay"? Coaches do their job, look into it, then determine if its worth turning in.
  Now, from the time OSU was busted in Dec. till the time the emails were found in Jan...there lies the issue of why he didn't say something. Its not the April date as many think. Who knows what Tressel did back then. Maybe he did something, maybe he didn't. But YOU nor I don't know that.
• karen lotz

  

  centralbucksfan;708424 wrote:IF, IF, IF...meaning in Dec, he didn't know IF they would be at that point.....

  
  
  This is where you are wrong. He did know they would be ineligible. If he didn't know they would be ineligible for selling the stuff, he should be fired for incompetence.
• karen lotz

  

  centralbucksfan;708434 wrote:Read what the fuck I wrote on top of the page. So, everytime a coach gets an email or gets hearsay about a player, they are automatically ineligible? You just don't get it and want to believe what you want to believe. What if Tress looked into it back then, and found nothing? What if he confronted the players, and they denied and said nothing was going on? A coach isn't always going to run to the AD everytime they hear something or get an email. You think Gene Smith wants to hear from every freaking OSU coach each time they get an email or "hearsay"? Coaches do their job, look into it, then determine if its worth turning in.
  Now, from the time OSU was busted in Dec. till the time the emails were found in Jan...there lies the issue of why he didn't say something. Its not the April date as many think. Who knows what Tressel did back then. Maybe he did something, maybe he didn't. But YOU nor I don't know that.

  He didn't ask the players, or at least he said he didn't. He said he didn't talk to anyone about it because of the confidentiality request in the first email (which was non existent).
• KR1245

  

  karen lotz;708439 wrote:This is where you are wrong. He did know they would be ineligible. If he didn't know they would be ineligible for selling the stuff, he should be fired for incompetence.

  
  Kinda like Brian Kelly? You were awfully touchy when people were calling out the Irish after that mess. Now you turn around and run your mouth about Tressel?
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;708434 wrote:Read what the fuck I wrote on top of the page. So, everytime a coach gets an email or gets hearsay about a player, they are automatically ineligible? You just don't get it and want to believe what you want to believe. What if Tress looked into it back then, and found nothing? What if he confronted the players, and they denied and said nothing was going on? A coach isn't always going to run to the AD everytime they hear something or get an email. You think Gene Smith wants to hear from every freaking OSU coach each time they get an email or "hearsay"? Coaches do their job, look into it, then determine if its worth turning in.
  Now, from the time OSU was busted in Dec. till the time the emails were found in Jan...there lies the issue of why he didn't say something. Its not the April date as many think. Who knows what Tressel did back then. Maybe he did something, maybe he didn't. But YOU nor I don't know that.

  
  Can you quit pretending this was just another email he received. From the email you can tell he had a friendly relationship with the attorney. The attorney isn't going to go to him with a bunch of bullshit. And he stated facts regarding the case in the FIRST email.
  
  So you want to assume Tressel looking into it, found nothing, yet emailed the guy back two months later asking for other names.
  
  It's laughable you would call this "hearsay". It obviously wasn't and from Tressel's email replies you could see he had concerns.
  
  You better believe the NCAA will be investigating what Tressel did back in April. If he really just chose to ignore them, after emailing back and forth with Cicero, then he really will be in trouble. That will be just as big of an issue as the lies to the NCAA were/are.
• centralbucksfan

  karen lotz;708439 wrote:This is where you are wrong. He did know they would be ineligible. If he didn't know they would be ineligible for selling the stuff, he should be fired for incompetence.

  
  No, I am not wrong. He knew they were ineligible when the NCAA said they were...in December. Again, you, nor I nor anyone knows what he looked into or didn't look into from April until Dec. when OSU self reported things.
• thedynasty1998

  

  centralbucksfan;708448 wrote:No, I am not wrong. He knew they were ineligible when the NCAA said they were...in December. Again, you, nor I nor anyone knows what he looked into or didn't look into from April until Dec. when OSU self reported things.

  
  He said he thought they would be ruled ineligible.
  
  How can you continue to ignore the facts?
  
  It doesn't matter whether he looked into it or not, he thought they would be ruled ineligible.