The National Anthem

• Automatik

  

  Awww bad manners the feels.
  
  I don't agree with the protest, mostly because it's in the "work place." I respect their right to do it, therefore you won't see me acting like a whiny bitch.
• QuakerOats

  Heretic;1874800 wrote:Link to 99%?

  
  Common sense. Although if you like a lot of data, fish posted a nice survey the other day. Or, you can run with the left-stream media who went out and found one 94 year-old vet who said he was ok with taking the knee.
• Automatik

  

  I have two friends ok with it. Straight to active duty Marines at age 18, 3 tours in Afghanistan each. HA!
• QuakerOats

  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/10/02/poll-nearly-80-percent-of-football-fans-oppose-anthem-protests-n2389672
  
  
  80% of NFL fans oppose flag/anthem protests; pretty easy to get from there to 99% of the military. But it is moot whether it is 90% or 99% ................the VAST majority of Americans are disgusted with the disrespect. Up to 64% will no longer watch --- that is devastating for the league, and ultimately the jackasses on the sidelines.
• Fab4Runner

  

  Automatik;1874854 wrote:I have two friends ok with it. Straight to active duty Marines at age 18, 3 tours in Afghanistan each. HA!

  My father, who served in Vietnam and was awarded a Purple Heart and my brother, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan...also okay with it.
• Automatik

  

  QuakerOats;1874860 wrote:https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/10/02/poll-nearly-80-percent-of-football-fans-oppose-anthem-protests-n2389672
  
  
  80% of NFL fans oppose flag/anthem protests; pretty easy to get from there to 99% of the military. But it is moot whether it is 90% or 99% ................the VAST majority of Americans are disgusted with the disrespect. Up to 64% will no longer watch --- that is devastating for the league, and ultimately the jackasses on the sidelines.

  
  Right wing garbage link: RIGHT ON CUE.
  
  My friends, who served, are cool with it. Why? Because they get it. Unfortunately you never will. ENJOY.
  
  64% no longer watching. Holy shit, you're delusional. Let me know when the ratings numbers back up that percentage.
• QuakerOats

  I wrote "up to 64%" per another poll. It is obvious the blow back has been tremendous, just keep watching their actions as they try to slink their way out of the bizarre mess they have created for themselves. Obviously you only like to read things the way you want to. And obviously you live in a liberal urban echo chamber with a lot of millennials who think exactly like you do. I get that. The rest of the country awaits you.
• O-Trap

  

  QuakerOats;1874850 wrote:Common sense.

  You do know this isn't how stats and percentages work, right? Also, you did see the swath of military personnel and veterans I cited above, yes?
  
  Methinks you use the term "sense" a bit too cavalierly.
  

  QuakerOats;1874850 wrote:Although if you like a lot of data, fish posted a nice survey the other day.

  Glad you brought that up. I had meant to comment on that.
  
  From Fish's poll:
  
  37% had a "favorable opinion" of the NFL already, which casts a pretty cloudy sample.
  
  49% of those surveyed watch either the same amount of football as last year or more. The protests have been going on for over a year.
  
  The question about why they're watching less would only apply to about half the people surveyed, since about half are not at all, in fact, watching less (but the fact that the question is even phrased that way tells you that the poll was not an impartial one).
  
  It makes synonymous "stand " and "be respectful." This is an out-and-out false equivalence fallacy.
  
  It asks that same question twice (including the primary interrogative question being verbatim in both instances), indicating that this was hardly a scrutinized or peer-reviewed poll. One fun little tidbit, however, is that the second one made mention of Donald Trump, and it only changed the results by a single degree, which would indicate that those supporting the right to protest are not, for the most part, swayed purely as a result of trying to be contrarians to Trump.
  
  50% of those polled said they would either watch the same amount of football or more the next week as a result of the protests.
  
  Finally, my favorite part. The demographics of the survey, as outlined IN the survey:
  
  AGE%
  18-29 9%
  30-39 11%
  40-49 19%
  50-69 37%
  70+ 27%
  
  RACE%
  White 63%
  African-American 16%
  Hispanic 16%
  Other 5%
  
  IDEOLOGY%
  Conservative 40%
  Moderate 41%
  Liberal 19%
  
  So, we're looking at a survey that was given to a sample of which 64% were over 50 years old, 63% were white, and there were over twice as many who identified as conservative as there were those who identified as liberal.
  
  We've got a survey with a hilariously skewed demographic setup which was obviously not peer-reviewed, edited for mistakes, or devoid of logically fallacious poll questions, and you're calling it a "nice survey."
  
  It's 'rah rah' bullshit for one side of the aisle. It's not credible, and it essentially implies as much in its demographic reporting.
  

  QuakerOats;1874850 wrote:Or, you can run with the left-stream media who went out and found one 94 year-old vet who said he was ok with taking the knee.

  Did you not see everything I posted above? If you did, perhaps you should re-read.
  

  QuakerOats;1874860 wrote:https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/10/02/poll-nearly-80-percent-of-football-fans-oppose-anthem-protests-n2389672
  
  80% of NFL fans oppose flag/anthem protests; pretty easy to get from there to 99% of the military. But it is moot whether it is 90% or 99% ................the VAST majority of Americans are disgusted with the disrespect. Up to 64% will no longer watch --- that is devastating for the league, and ultimately the jackasses on the sidelines.

  Even fish82's neo-con slanted poll doesn't back this up.
  
  And assuming you read the whole article that you just posted, let me draw out another quote (my bold):
  
  "In a recent Seton Hall Poll, 84% of respondents said they support the players’ right to protest. But only 35% said kneeling during the anthem was the right way to do it."
• Automatik

  

  QuakerOats;1874887 wrote:I wrote "up to 64%" per another poll. It is obvious the blow back has been tremendous, just keep watching their actions as they try to slink their way out of the bizarre mess they have created for themselves. Obviously you only like to read things the way you want to. And obviously you live in a liberal urban echo chamber with a lot of millennials who think exactly like you do. I get that. The rest of the country awaits you.

  Not a lib, nor a millennial. You should try curbing the labeling, it's off-putting and incredibly lazy.
  
  Let me know when that "64%" affects the ratings. Numbers are a much better indicator compared to your feelz.
• O-Trap

  

  Fab4Runner;1874862 wrote:My father, who served in Vietnam and was awarded a Purple Heart and my brother, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan...also okay with it.

  My grandfather, an Ohio Military Hall of Fame member, who served in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam (yes, I know that seems crazy) and was awarded the Silver Star during Vietnam, is fine with it as well. He says he wouldn't do it that way, because he feels an obligation as a vet to stand, but he does not think civilians have any duty to do so if they feel convicted to kneel in protest.
  
  Think you know better than him?
  
  
• Automatik

  

  Again, it's because they get it. Vets don't have to, nor do I expect them to agree with it, but they get it. Something QO fails to understand, which is no surprise. I'm assuming his total number of days served his his lifetime is sitting at 0.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  QO full retard.
• GOONx19

  

  Lol no need for you guys to spend time providing data to back up your responses to QO. He clearly had no interest in responding intelligently.
• Heretic

  

  GOONx19;1874968 wrote:Lol no need for you guys to spend time providing data to back up your responses to QO. He clearly had no interest in responding intelligently.

  What, a person who looks at his PERSONAL opinion as that of "the people" and who has 38 right-wing blog sites to back him up isn't the voice of logic? I AM SHOCKED!
• QuakerOats

  O-Trap;1874898 wrote:"In a recent Seton Hall Poll, 84% of respondents said they support the players’ right to protest. But only 35% said kneeling during the anthem was the right way to do it."

  
  NO ONE is seeking to take away anyone's rights.
  
  And obviously a minority thinks kneeling during the anthem is the right way to protest.
• QuakerOats

  Automatik;1874903 wrote:Again, it's because they get it. Vets don't have to, nor do I expect them to agree with it, but they get it. Something QO fails to understand, which is no surprise. I'm assuming his total number of days served his his lifetime is sitting at 0.

  
  I get it completely; I completely disagree with it.
  
  
  
  Carry on.
• O-Trap

  

  QuakerOats;1875009 wrote:And obviously a minority thinks kneeling during the anthem is the right way to protest.

  The phrasing of this was quite apropos.
• QuakerOats

  Wouldn't have it any other way
• QuakerOats

  "Tennessee Titans tight end Delanie Walker said fans upset by team demonstrations during the national anthem should stay home."
  
  
  
  
  The economic suicide being committed (without guns) by the players and the NFL is alarming. Hopefully they are getting counseling or calling suicide prevention hotlines.
• iclfan2

  

  QuakerOats;1875260 wrote:"Tennessee Titans tight end Delanie Walker said fans upset by team demonstrations during the national anthem should stay home."

  This is extremely stupid. Don't fans have the same freedoms to think what they want? Or only if you agree with a certain side?
  
  Supposedly Budweiser is seriously contemplating what to do with their advertising during the NFL. At this point I don't think they'd lose any consumers for stopping their advertising, in fact they might even get more. Will be very interesting to see if they do anything (I doubt they will).
• QuakerOats

  iclfan2;1875262 wrote:This is extremely stupid. Don't fans have the same freedoms to think what they want? Or only if you agree with a certain side?

  
  
  
  Fans are racists
• O-Trap

  

  iclfan2;1875262 wrote:Supposedly Budweiser is seriously contemplating what to do with their advertising during the NFL. At this point I don't think they'd lose any consumers for stopping their advertising, in fact they might even get more. Will be very interesting to see if they do anything (I doubt they will).

  Honestly, I doubt they'd gain or lose many either way.
• gut

  O-Trap;1875338 wrote:Honestly, I doubt they'd gain or lose many either way.

  Ehhh, don't underestimate the subliminal effect years of being bombarded by Bud ads has on people.
  
  But I have no idea if it isn't mainly about volume of ads rather than where/when those ads appear specifically.
• O-Trap

  

  gut;1875343 wrote:Ehhh, don't underestimate the subliminal effect years of being bombarded by Bud ads has on people.
  
  But I have no idea if it isn't mainly about volume of ads rather than where/when those ads appear specifically.

  I guess I figured that they're in enough other places that they'll still be very "present" in everyday media.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  For everyone whose panties are in a bunch about some players kneels my, this is an excellent opportunity to turn off the TV and go outside and play. It's a beautiful time of year. Besides, the NFL is a big bore. You're talking about maybe 10 minutes of action in a 3.5 hour game. Much of the time is spent in commercials. Go outside and find something to do!