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The National Anthem

  • O-Trap
    Devils Advocate;1876731 wrote:Nope. it makes you sound like QQuaker when you quote yourself.
    I only did it because he's now made the same accusation twice, and I already answered him the first time.

    I'm not gonna type that all again if I can just reference it.
    QuakerOats;1876739 wrote:The players are protesting; the vice-president would not dignify their protest by staying for the game and 'supporting' them.
    Congratulations. That's a protest. When you walk out of something in objection to the happenings therein, that's a protest. Your description is fine, but you've just described a protest of a protest.
    QuakerOats;1876739 wrote:I am happy the vice-president then made his follow up comments; I am sure a lot of young people learned something more than they hear in school.
    Which he could have done from where he was. He didn't need to fly across the country to make his comments. We can all see and hear him speak from anywhere in the world, in real time. We have that technology.
  • like_that
    thavoice;1876257 wrote:I may start protesting the Anthem in protest of the treatment I am receiving on the OC from the Nazi mods likely because of one whiny bitch. That lil petty mother fucker can go fuck himeslf. Banning me from thread after thread after thread for nothing.


    Fucking whiny bitch sportsandnazi. You can go be miserable together in sports hell.
    LOL, I love when thavoice shows his true colors as a sensitive cry baby bitch.
  • QuakerOats
    Pence is not protesting by not supporting the protest and protesters. He is standing in respect for the flag and all that it represents.


    And the comedy hour continues as liberals feign interest taxpayer money.
  • Automatik
    The two people who mentioned taxpayer money are not liberals.

    You may need checked for early onset dementia. Good luck.
  • QuakerOats
    I am not necessarily speaking of them (although some libs on here did mention it); I am talking mainly about the media that would NEVER mention anything about exorbitant travel expenses if this admin were dems. They just sat back for 8 years while we spent an extra $1 trillion per year (AFTER TARP was to end), and you heard NOTHING. Now the vice-president of the United States flies to Indiana, and miraculously a few thousand dollars in travel is of monumental significance. Horseshit.


    And you grovel it all up. Talk about demented.
  • Automatik
    I don't know what you're talking about, I don't sit around and ingest the garbage media. You should step away from it....you're welcome.

    You cried for years about Obama's excessive spending, golfing, etc. But now when your dear leader is involved....it's a fucking CIVICS LESSON. You're out of your mind sir.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Automatik;1876799 wrote:I don't know what you're talking about, I don't sit around and ingest the garbage media. You should step away from it....you're welcome.

    You cried for years about Obama's excessive spending, golfing, etc. But now when your dear leader is involved....it's a fucking CIVICS LESSON. You're out of your mind sir.
    Hypocrisy is real man.
  • QuakerOats
    Automatik;1876799 wrote:I don't know what you're talking about, I don't sit around and ingest the garbage media. You should step away from it....you're welcome.

    You cried for years about Obama's excessive spending, golfing, etc. But now when your dear leader is involved....it's a fucking CIVICS LESSON. You're out of your mind sir.


    If you cannot distinguish between spending an extra $1 trillion per year, for 8 years, vs. the cost of a flight to Indiana, then there is simply no hope for you. I expected more.
  • CenterBHSFan
    There is a difference in cash. There is not a difference in the principal behind it. The principle behind frivolous spending should be the same, regardless of who is President.
  • QuakerOats
    There was nothing frivolous about flying to Indiana. They are constantly flying all over the place. It is nothing more than another libtard meltdown, pure and simple. They are grasping at straws.
  • HitsRus
    To be frank, I don't give a shit about the money....in this day and age, the Prez and Vice Prez are going to carry security everywhere they go. but I think Pence could have delivered a more effective "civics" lesson by standing at attention and singing the anthem proudly against the background of the 'kneelers'. Surely, he could have arranged a photo op with some good optics. After all, the anthem is about weathering a withering assault.....not turning and running (in this case "walking")away.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1876777 wrote:Pence is not protesting by not supporting the protest and protesters. He is standing in respect for the flag and all that it represents.


    And the comedy hour continues as liberals feign interest taxpayer money.
    No, Pence is not protesting merely by not supporting the protest/protesters. He's also not supporting them by finishing watching the damn game, either. They don't get cooties when they kneel, and he had no fear of catching the librulz by staying too long in the stadium.

    He DID protest by making a point to fly to Indianapolis to attend the beginning of a game and publicly walk out of the game because other people weren't observing the national anthem. That's a walk-out. Yet again, that's a protest.
    QuakerOats;1876793 wrote:I am not necessarily speaking of them (although some libs on here did mention it); I am talking mainly about the media that would NEVER mention anything about exorbitant travel expenses if this admin were dems. They just sat back for 8 years while we spent an extra $1 trillion per year (AFTER TARP was to end), and you heard NOTHING. Now the vice-president of the United States flies to Indiana, and miraculously a few thousand dollars in travel is of monumental significance. Horseshit.
    I'm not even disagreeing with this. But saying, "They spent so many taxpayer dollars frivolously," isn't a sufficient defense for doing the same thing, just because it's "not as much."
    QuakerOats;1876812 wrote:If you cannot distinguish between spending an extra $1 trillion per year, for 8 years, vs. the cost of a flight to Indiana, then there is simply no hope for you. I expected more.
    Every person on God's green earth can note the difference in amount. But in frivolousness? Nah. It's about the same.
    QuakerOats;1876817 wrote:There was nothing frivolous about flying to Indiana. They are constantly flying all over the place. It is nothing more than another libtard meltdown, pure and simple. They are grasping at straws.
    They are indeed constantly flying all over the place. And yet, with as busy as they are, Pence made a point to fly from the west coast to Indianapolis to do that one thing and then fly back to the west coast.

    Yes. That's frivolous. I'm not saying you have to crucify the man for it, but let's not play too dumb for our affiliation causes here. This was a petty, silly waste of money. You can still think he's a good Vice President overall, and you can even agree with his point, but there's no leg to stand on in saying this was anything but taxpayer money spent to fund his travel to stage a walkout ... which is a protest.
    HitsRus;1876823 wrote:To be frank, I don't give a shit about the money....in this day and age, the Prez and Vice Prez are going to carry security everywhere they go. but I think Pence could have delivered a more effective "civics" lesson by standing at attention and singing the anthem proudly against the background of the 'kneelers'. Surely, he could have arranged a photo op with some good optics. After all, the anthem is about weathering a withering assault.....not turning and running (in this case "walking")away.
    Fucking aye. You and I agree on something in this gotdamn thread.
  • like_that
    I am seeing more headlines about nfl ratings being down. Haven’t looked into it, but it seems like Goodell and the owners are starting to feel the pressure.

    I don’t think NFL ratings are down solely because of the anthem issue, but at this point you would have to be very naive to think it is not part of the equation.
  • ernest_t_bass
    like_that;1877033 wrote:I am seeing more headlines about nfl ratings being down. Haven’t looked into it, but it seems like Goodell and the owners are starting to feel the pressure.

    I don’t think NFL ratings are down solely because of the anthem issue, but at this point you would have to be very naive to think it is not part of the equation.
    For me, my ratings have plummeted to zero because of streaming. If I want to watch NFL on Sunday, I need to have Sunday Ticket, or RedZone, or Whatever TF. With college FB, I have watch ESPN, FS1, BTN, NBC Sports... all of these work with the same cable login, and I don't have to "pay extra" for it. NFL isn't worth it for me to pay extra, so I'll only watch a game that I can see on one of those services.
  • HitsRus
    like_that;1877033 wrote:I am seeing more headlines about nfl ratings being down. Haven’t looked into it, but it seems like Goodell and the owners are starting to feel the pressure.

    I don’t think NFL ratings are down solely because of the anthem issue, but at this point you would have to be very naive to think it is not part of the equation.
    I have said since the beginning of this thread, that this is the predictable result when you allow politics into the workplace. It's bad for business. NFL owners have only themselves to blame for allowing their game and venue to become a political sideshow. They have had over a year to address this and to come up with a remedy to protect their business from being used by outside forces as a protest vehicle. Players have an American right to be able to protest....but not on company time , or on the company dime.
  • thavoice
    If an employer believes the actions of the employees are possibly one of the contributing factor in decling sales, reputation of the business and causing divisions in the customer base then he has the right to demand the employees to toe the company line as long as it's a lawful request.

    I don't believe it's the sole contributor but it certainly has caused controversy, division and by all accounts lower customer satisfaction. I think part of it is the NFL ratings was pretty much at its peak and had no place to go.

    As for the kneeling you will hear many veterans and current service members give their opinions. For the most part it seems most believe it is their rights to do so, and that freedoms that people have fought and died for include actions they don't agree with but believe it's their right.

    GODdell and the owners I believe have the rights to demand their employees to stand if it comes to that.

    T Thus far Trump has been a very difficult person to get behind and is doing so much harm to the country. While I agree in his policies to open up the
    ROE and allowing our forces the ability to fight to win instead of putting so many constraints that it makes it difficult to opearate, his agenda domestically is an absolute mess. Every freaking day it's another controversy.

    He has set the REP party back so far that I would not be surprised to see 4 straight terms of DEM control starting with the 2020 election.
  • ernest_t_bass
    There is one suffix that prevents owners from stepping up... "-ist"
  • queencitybuckeye
    HitsRus;1877037 wrote:I have said since the beginning of this thread, that this is the predictable result when you allow politics into the workplace. It's bad for business. NFL owners have only themselves to blame for allowing their game and venue to become a political sideshow. They have had over a year to address this and to come up with a remedy to protect their business from being used by outside forces as a protest vehicle. Players have an American right to be able to protest....but not on company time , or on the company dime.
    The "work is work and home life is home life" model is largely over these days. The notion that "you're here to work to serve the customer and make the company money, period" is all but obsolete. The current generation tends to demand more than that, the best of them insist on their employer standing for more than providing a product and/or service (not that they don't recognize the importance of that). Good for them.
  • like_that
    queencitybuckeye;1877042 wrote:The "work is work and home life is home life" model is largely over these days. The notion that "you're here to work to serve the customer and make the company money, period" is all but obsolete. The current generation tends to demand more than that, the best of them insist on their employer standing for more than providing a product and/or service (not that they don't recognize the importance of that). Good for them.
    That's what the current generation might demand, but I don't think employers are 100% shifting to that model. They might have tried only to realize it hurts. As MJ said, "republicans buy shoes too." Even ESPN finally suspended Jemele Hill. It always comes down to the bottom line, and if it is going to affect the $$$, you will see more employers tell their employees to STFU and make money. If an employer takes a stance, it's best for them to take a stance that their entire consumer base could get behind as opposed to something controversial/divided with their consumers.
  • queencitybuckeye
    like_that;1877053 wrote:That's what the current generation might demand, but I don't think employers are 100% shifting to that model. They might have tried only to realize it hurts. As MJ said, "republicans buy shoes too." Even ESPN finally suspended Jemele Hill. It always comes down to the bottom line, and if it is going to affect the $$$, you will see more employers tell their employees to STFU and make money. If an employer takes a stance, it's best for them to take a stance that their entire consumer base could get behind as opposed to something controversial/divided with their consumers.
    I don't think it's an either/or situation, more that the line has somewhat shifted. There's still a line, and Hill long-jumped over it.
  • ernest_t_bass
    Hill can't even see the line anymore (much like Trump, and others)
  • like_that
    queencitybuckeye;1877055 wrote:I don't think it's an either/or situation, more that the line has somewhat shifted. There's still a line, and Hill long-jumped over it.
    For a local business I can understand. There are a lot of businesses in DC that take on leftists causes and they don't have any issues, because DC is heavily liberal. I doubt those same businesses would pull that off in a red state or a purple state if they were smart.

    National brands don't have that flexibility imo. Most issues you're going to piss off a good sum of people, which will hurt the bottom line.
  • QuakerOats
    like_that;1877033 wrote:I am seeing more headlines about nfl ratings being down. Haven’t looked into it, but it seems like Goodell and the owners are starting to feel the pressure.

    Understatement of the year.
  • HitsRus
    queencitybuckeye;1877042 wrote:The "work is work and home life is home life" model is largely over these days. The notion that "you're here to work to serve the customer and make the company money, period" is all but obsolete. The current generation tends to demand more than that, the best of them insist on their employer standing for more than providing a product and/or service (not that they don't recognize the importance of that). Good for them.
    A business/ owner has the prerogative to get behind whatever causes he chooses, but he better have a handle on the bottom line of that choice, or they are a fool. Minding your bottom line is NEVER obsolete. Employees that “ demand” a business “stand for something” that affects the bottom line of that business negatively, will not be employed for very long. Take that to the bank.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    LOL as I knew when it happened QO would be all over it.
    If Obama or Biden did the same thing for whatever reason he would be losing his shit and calling for their impeachment.