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  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1880463 wrote:The NFL week is not even over yet :)


    And it took all of 6 seconds to cut / paste the links from Drudge; figured you would be waiting.
    QuakerOats has already paid attention to the NFL, and the week isn't even over yet ...
  • QuakerOats
    Browns did not embarrass themselves this week.




    Oh, and they also did not have a game and lose again.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1880622 wrote:Browns did not embarrass themselves this week.




    Oh, and they also did not have a game and lose again.
    Right, and? Who said anything about the Browns? Why are we talking about the Browns?
  • QuakerOats
    They disrespect the Anthem and all that it represents.


    Then you say, "I thought you were boycotting the NFL, so you can't talk about it".

    Then I say, " I have not watched or listened to one NFL play all year".

    Then you say, "You commenting on it means you are spending time on it, yada, yada, yada ......

    Then I say, "Let me make it simple for you"

    Then you say .........................
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1880655 wrote:They disrespect the Anthem and all that it represents.


    Then you say, "I thought you were boycotting the NFL, so you can't talk about it".

    Then I say, " I have not watched or listened to one NFL play all year".

    Then you say, "You commenting on it means you are spending time on it, yada, yada, yada ......

    Then I say, "Let me make it simple for you"

    Then you say .........................
    Since you've had trouble following along, I've highlighted the part where you've misunderstood.

    I didn't say boycotting it meant you can't talk about it. I said claiming that you're not paying any attention to it includes not talking about it (and, in particular, not initiating conversation about it).

    So, it should read:

    You say: "Hey guys. Look at me not paying any attention to the NFL. Boy, I'm sure enjoying not paying any attention to the NFL."

    Then I say: "Um, you're paying attention to the NFL right now, by bringing it up and discussing it."

    Then you say: "I'm not watching any games."

    Then I say: "Watching it and paying attention to it aren't the same thing. You can pay attention to something without watching."

    Then you say: "But I'm not paying attention to the NFL at all."

    Then I say: "You still are, because we're still on here talking about it."

    And then you go back up to the "I'm not watching any games," part, and we continue in a vicious loop for the rest of our fucking lives.

    Watch the games, if you want. Or don't if you don't want. I don't really care. But let's not pretend going out of our way to talk about something is anything other than giving it attention.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Regardless of your stance on the issue, the Browns are horrible. The fans at first energy stadium should take a knee for the duration of the game to call attention to the abuse the Factory of Sadness unleashes each week. My problem is I was raised with the Browns, so I can't look away. It hurts.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1880691 wrote:Regardless of your stance on the issue, the Browns are horrible. The fans at first energy stadium should take a knee for the duration of the game to call attention to the abuse the Factory of Sadness unleashes each week. My problem is I was raised with the Browns, so I can't look away. It hurts.
    +1
  • QuakerOats
    The Cavs organization should be applauded for their multiple, wonderful, tributes and honors to veterans that occurred throughout last night's game; well done.
  • O-Trap
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1880691 wrote:Regardless of your stance on the issue, the Browns are horrible. The fans at first energy stadium should take a knee for the duration of the game to call attention to the abuse the Factory of Sadness unleashes each week. My problem is I was raised with the Browns, so I can't look away. It hurts.
    Thoughts and prayers.
  • Heretic
    Man, OT, you only have 47 posts on this thread, as opposed to QQ's 77. You have a LONG way to go before you can say you no longer care about the NFL!!!
  • gut
    Heretic;1880791 wrote:Man, OT, you only have 47 posts on this thread, as opposed to QQ's 77. You have a LONG way to go before you can say you no longer care about the NFL!!!
    It's funny watching QO living rent-free inside his own head!
  • O-Trap
    Heretic;1880791 wrote:Man, OT, you only have 47 posts on this thread, as opposed to QQ's 77. You have a LONG way to go before you can say you no longer care about the NFL!!!
    Reps.
  • Fab4Runner
    QuakerOats;1880766 wrote:The Cavs organization should be applauded for their multiple, wonderful, tributes and honors to veterans that occurred throughout last night's game; well done.

    The Browns do this all the time. I have seen it in person with my own two eyeballs. Make sure you applaud them for their multiple, wonderful tributes as well.

    Here is a nice lil article about the people who are most bothered by the NFL protests. Be sure to read to the end.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800
  • like_that
    Fab4Runner;1880825 wrote:The Browns do this all the time. I have seen it in person with my own two eyeballs. Make sure you applaud them for their multiple, wonderful tributes as well.

    Here is a nice lil article about the people who are most bothered by the NFL protests. Be sure to read to the end.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800
    I was actually going to come and say the same thing regarding the first part of your post. I am not sure what the rest of the NFL teams are doing, but I have seen the Browns make an effort to make amends with veterans and police. You're second half of your post is pure garbage. One racist dude drops the N word on NFL players, and you're going to paint that across everyone who is bothered or offended by the protests? Very lazy argument, and makes you no better than QO. Congrats.
  • SportsAndLady
    Politico lol
  • Fab4Runner
    like_that;1880830 wrote:I was actually going to come and say the same thing regarding the first part of your post. I am not sure what the rest of the NFL teams are doing, but I have seen the Browns make an effort to make amends with veterans and police. You're second half of your post is pure garbage. One racist dude drops the N word on NFL players, and you're going to paint that across everyone who is bothered or offended by the protests? Very lazy argument, and makes you no better than QO. Congrats.
    I'm not even talking about the Browns making amends this season. They've done tributes regularly for years...I've seen many of them. I'm sure they'll continue to do them in the future. I bet QO has always applauded and will continue to do so.

    And do I think every person who is upset about the protests is racist? No. I don't. But this is a city ravaged by poverty and drugs, whose coal mines and steel mills are not going to come back, and what gets them the most fired up? NFL players. I've also literally heard the same exact sentiment from many people....like they said it out loud, in front of me. So is it everyone? No. But even a single person with that mindset is fucked up, and there is damn sure more than one.
  • like_that
    Fab4Runner;1880838 wrote:I'm not even talking about the Browns making amends this season. They've done tributes regularly for years...I've seen many of them. I'm sure they'll continue to do them in the future. I bet QO has always applauded and will continue to do so.

    And do I think every person who is upset about the protests is racist? No. I don't. But this is a city ravaged by poverty and drugs, whose coal mines and steel mills are not going to come back, and what gets them the most fired up? NFL players. I've also literally heard the same exact sentiment from many people....like they said it out loud, in front of me. So is it everyone? No. But even a single person with that mindset is fucked up, and there is damn sure more than one.
    Did you watch the E:60 on Joe Thomas? This quote came from Joe Thomas:

    "[cleveland fans] want to see their values reflected in their stars."

    That probably would explain why they would get upset with players kneeling during the anthem. I haven't been paying attention to this thread the last few weeks, so I am not sure if this is brought up, but most fans aren't showing up because their franchise has been a pile of shit. Sprinkle in the anthem protests and the uproar feels like it has been magnified. This is no different than redskins fans being more butt hurt about the redskins team name when they were losing and now far less fans give a fuck. I am sure poverty, losing jobs, and drugs doesn't make them feel any happier when they see their teams (you know as well as anyone else Cleveland fans value their teams much differently than most cities), blatantly showing disrespect. I don't see the issue with being enraged by all of those things. I am sure if you brought it up, they would be just as upset.

    You adjusted your stance from your original post, but that doesn't change the fact your original post was lazy as fuck.
  • Devils Advocate
  • QuakerOats
    Fab4Runner;1880838 wrote:I'm not even talking about the Browns making amends this season. They've done tributes regularly for years...I've seen many of them. I'm sure they'll continue to do them in the future. I bet QO has always applauded and will continue to do so.

    And do I think every person who is upset about the protests is racist? No. I don't. But this is a city ravaged by poverty and drugs, whose coal mines and steel mills are not going to come back, and what gets them the most fired up? NFL players. I've also literally heard the same exact sentiment from many people....like they said it out loud, in front of me. So is it everyone? No. But even a single person with that mindset is fucked up, and there is damn sure more than one.


    I kindly refer you to my post #337, on page 14.
  • Fab4Runner
    QuakerOats;1880899 wrote:I kindly refer you to my post #337, on page 14.
    No.
  • QuakerOats
    Black female writer nails it:

    https://barbwire.com/2017/10/01/enough-victimhood-millionaire-athletes-lost-cause/
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1881566 wrote:Black female writer nails it:

    https://barbwire.com/2017/10/01/enough-victimhood-millionaire-athletes-lost-cause/
    Article is from October 1, 2017......


    Is this still a story now a days?
  • superman
    ptown_trojans_1;1881568 wrote:Article is from October 1, 2017......


    Is this still a story now a days?
    Yeah. Colin Sackorpick was just named GQ's man of the year so the virtue signaling is still happening.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    superman;1881571 wrote:Yeah. Colin Sackorpick was just named GQ's man of the year so the virtue signaling is still happening.
    I saw that, what a fucking joke.
  • O-Trap
    It has already been explained dozens of times that not everyone who is protesting is claiming a slight or victimization of themselves. Hell, there have been white players protesting as well.

    You don't have to actually be a victim of something to protest it.

    Hell, if it were the case that you had to be a victim of something in order to protest it, nobody would ever protest abortion.

    The protest by the players isn't merely for the players.