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Gblock

LJ;691730 wrote:I think it is more just telling you the reality of companies that have to either break even or make a profit. You think it's griping, yet you are getting all this stuff from a "company" (the state) who is basically bankrupt (giant deficit)

well then why is it hard to understand that i wouldnt want to get into all that.. our schools arent in it to make a profit they arent businesses we are here to educate...i dont want to have to get a night job to have to live...i just look thru posts where were compared to petulant children etc....obviously our situation is not going to be as good so why the suprise that we wouldnt like to self negotiate. that is really not fair...most of you would feel the exact same way.... and this is more about me personally....i already spent years with low salary...i couldve used this bill 15 years ago

LJ

Gblock;691734 wrote:well then why is it hard to understand that i wouldnt want to get into all that...i just look thru posts where were compared to petulant children etc....obviously our situation is not going to be as good so why the suprise that we wouldnt like to self negotiate. that is really not fair...most of you would feel the exact same way.... and this is more about me personally....i already spent years with low salary...i couldve used this bill 15 years ago

So you are saying "fuck the taxpayers, fuck the state that is losing money I'm gonna get MINE"

Real nice. So much for your Greater Good huh? Congrats on forcing the state into bankruptcy, and I hope you enjoy all of your layoffs due to your Union.

mella

LJ;691735 wrote:So you are saying "fuck the taxpayers, fuck the state that is losing money I'm gonna get MINE"

Not, the opinion of all teachers.

centralbucksfan

Poll: Americans favor union bargaining rights

Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-22-poll-public-unions-wisconsin_N.htm

LJ

mella;691741 wrote:Not, the opinion of all teachers.

I would hope not. Saying that you won't let the state balance the budget with salary and benefit cuts is absoultely ridiculous.

bonelizzard

LJ;691707 wrote:Protecting a bad employee from losing their job
allow employees to strike, basically bullying the employer

I've been on strike for a total of 3 whole days in 20 years. That's the last, absolute last resort.

Gblock

I am a taxpayer also

centralbucksfan

I find it comical, that the best arguement we hear against unions, is that it protects bad teachers. What % of teacher do you suspect are bad? Do you not think there are bad workers in the private sector? Bad doctors? Bad dentists? Bad bankers? They are protected as well, don't kid yourself. But in reality, we are talking about a SMALL percentage here. So lets not exaggerate something that really means nothing in the big picture here. And if this is the single biggest arguement against unions, its a very weak one at that.
Again, this union busting is nothing but an agenda by the REP against the DEMS. That was PROVEN the other day with the prank call to Gov. Walker...he was in fact, EXPOSED for what he is. And KaSUCK is right by his side. All one in the same.

LJ

bonelizzard;691751 wrote:I've been on strike for a total of 3 whole days in 20 years. That's the last, absolute last resort.

You know what SHOULD happen to people who strike for 3 days? They should be FIRED

centralbucksfan

LJ;691746 wrote:I would hope not. Saying that you won't let the state balance the budget with salary and benefit cuts is absoultely ridiculous.

Please PROVE to me, show me FACTS, that SB 5 will help balance the budget? I have yet to see our Gov. or anyone show facts. We have shown studies by Rutgers and Vandy about public vs private and merit pay. What have the supporters shown?

Gblock

LJ;691746 wrote:I would hope not. Saying that you won't let the state balance the budget with salary and benefit cuts is absoultely ridiculous.

Never said that..I said we could make concessions collectively the same wat we got raises collectively

LJ

centralbucksfan;691762 wrote:Please PROVE to me, show me FACTS, that SB 5 will help balance the budget? I have yet to see our Gov. or anyone show facts. We have shown studies by Rutgers and Vandy about public vs private and merit pay. What have the supporters shown?

How can you show that it won't save money? How can you say that everyone getting the same wages no matter what is the best way to go?

bonelizzard

LJ;691761 wrote:You know what SHOULD happen to people who strike for 3 days? They should be FIRED

I appreciate your opinion. But, both sides came together with the help of a federal mediator and resolved everything peacefully.

LJ

Gblock;691764 wrote:Never said that..I said we could make concessions collectively the same wat we got raises collectively

Why collectively? What are you afraid of?

LJ

bonelizzard;691769 wrote:I appreciate your opinion. But, both sides came together with the help of a federal mediator and resolved everything peacefully.

ridiculous. Everyone should have been fired.

Just like when Wal Mart shuts down stores when they get word of a union forming

bonelizzard

LJ;691771 wrote:ridiculous. Everyone should have been fired.

Just like when Wal Mart shuts down stores when they get word of a union forming

ok. still appreciate your opinion.

LJ

bonelizzard;691773 wrote:ok. still appreciate your opinion.

I am glad you think bullying the state and the taxpayers into what you want is ok.

bonelizzard

centralbucksfan;691756 wrote:I find it comical, that the best arguement we hear against unions, is that it protects bad teachers. What % of teacher do you suspect are bad? Do you not think there are bad workers in the private sector? Bad doctors? Bad dentists? Bad bankers? They are protected as well, don't kid yourself. But in reality, we are talking about a SMALL percentage here. So lets not exaggerate something that really means nothing in the big picture here. And if this is the single biggest arguement against unions, its a very weak one at that.
Again, this union busting is nothing but an agenda by the REP against the DEMS. That was PROVEN the other day with the prank call to Gov. Walker...he was in fact, EXPOSED for what he is. And KaSUCK is right by his side. All one in the same.

Great post. I agree wholeheartedly...

bonelizzard

LJ;691775 wrote:I am glad you think bullying the state and the taxpayers into what you want is ok.

I don't see it as bullying. But, you can call it what you want..

Gblock

LJ;691770 wrote:Why collectively? What are you afraid of?

again why do i have to be ostracized or portrayed as being scared? it is more beneficial to me to do it collectively. as you and so many others have pointed out in the "Real World" where you live it sucks to bargain by yourself. and again if the bill is to save money by definition we would be paid less or it wouldnt save any money. secondly saving money is a long way from as you say balancing the budget.

LJ

centralbucksfan;691756 wrote:I find it comical, that the best arguement we hear against unions, is that it protects bad teachers. What % of teacher do you suspect are bad? Do you not think there are bad workers in the private sector? Bad doctors? Bad dentists? Bad bankers? They are protected as well, don't kid yourself. But in reality, we are talking about a SMALL percentage here. So lets not exaggerate something that really means nothing in the big picture here. And if this is the single biggest arguement against unions, its a very weak one at that.
Again, this union busting is nothing but an agenda by the REP against the DEMS. That was PROVEN the other day with the prank call to Gov. Walker...he was in fact, EXPOSED for what he is. And KaSUCK is right by his side. All one in the same.

How are they protected in the private sector? They get fired. they get sued. Not quite sure what you think happens in the private sector, but I have a friend that is a manager at Chase and tells me all the time about people getting fired for bad performance all the time.

LJ

Gblock;691783 wrote:again why do i have to be ostracized or portrayed as being scared? it is more beneficial to me to do it collectively. as you and so many others have pointed out in the "Real World" where you live it sucks to bargain by yourself. and again if the bill is to save money by definition we would be paid less or it wouldnt save any money. secondly saving money is a long way from as you say balancing the budget.

It doesn't suck to bargain by yourself. I dunno why you think that. I am more likely to get what best fits MY needs and value, rather than if I let 100 other people decide what is best for me.

Is it better to lose your job or get a small paycut?

Gblock

LJ;691771 wrote:ridiculous. Everyone should have been fired.

Just like when Wal Mart shuts down stores when they get word of a union forming

walmart? great example ..maybe this is why

http://www.nyjwj.org/posts/campaign/2010/12/wal-mart-isnt-the-answer/

LJ

Gblock;691787 wrote:walmart? great example ..maybe this is why

http://www.nyjwj.org/posts/campaign/2010/12/wal-mart-isnt-the-answer/

Just an example that sticks out in my mind. Many companies do it all the time.

Gblock

LJ;691786 wrote:It doesn't suck to bargain by yourself. I dunno why you think that. I am more likely to get what best fits MY needs and value, rather than if I let 100 other people decide what is best for me.

Is it better to lose your job or get a small paycut?

in the private sector maybe but it doesnt translate the same to schools...parts of the analogy work but not exactly the same. its not that i dont get what your saying

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