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Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

  • LJ
    Gblock;691860 wrote:well there must be no good workers on here because everyone pretty much sounds like it sucks....who has it worked for on any of these posts

    sigh. Post where it hasn't worked? You don;t know what has and hasn't worked. You are just talking out of your ass.
  • FatHobbit
    jmog;691854 wrote:It sucks to bargin for yourself if you suck as a worker, if you are a good worker it is GREAT to bargain for yourself, period. Learn the difference.

    I'm not sure those two are 100% dependent on each other. I know people who are great workers, but not great negotiators and they should be making more than they are now. I also know some who are complete suckups (or children of people who are high up in the company) who are getting paid way more than they deserve. It definitely helps if you are good at what you do, but a lot of it is based on perception IMHO.
  • LJ
    FatHobbit;691862 wrote:I'm not sure those two are 100% dependent on each other. I know people who are great workers, but not great negotiators and they should be making more than they are now. I also know some who are complete suckups (or children of people who are high up in the company) who are getting paid way more than they deserve. It definitely helps if you are good at what you do, but a lot of it is based on perception IMHO.

    And some people just don't care and take what they get
  • Gblock
    LJ;691856 wrote:~$100k in an affluent neighborhood and teaches AP classes and such

    well i dont teach AP...and probly wont ever teach in an affluent area....if i could make 100000 then im all for it but people would still complain that it was too much. if i could make 70000 i would be happy. however hopefully i will be in admin over next two years which is about 93000 or so.
  • derek bomar
    LJ;691856 wrote:~$100k in an affluent neighborhood and teaches AP classes and such

    this
  • Gblock
    LJ;691861 wrote:sigh. Post where it hasn't worked? You don;t know what has and hasn't worked. You are just talking out of your ass.

    show me a post where someone said it was great or they got a better job or money or benefits. in this thread and the one on merit pay and wisconsin workers, there are tons of posts where people tell the teachers to stop whining because they should feel lucky. pretty much all of otraps posts and buckeyes posts tell how dreadful the private sector is right now....
  • derek bomar
    Gblock;691847 wrote:thats not why the state is going bankrupt

    its a contributing factor
  • derek bomar
    Gblock;691869 wrote:show me a post where someone said it was great or they got a better job or money or benefits. in this thread and the one on merit pay and wisconsin workers, there are tons of posts where people tell the teachers to stop whining because they should feel lucky. pretty much all of otraps posts and buckeyes posts tell how dreadful the private sector is right now....

    I'll do it right now. I was just promoted within the past year, and originally the offer was to move me out of state. I negotiated to stay here and I got a bonus in the end to boot plus a 25% pay raise. It works for me. Will you quit bitching now?
  • jmog
    Gblock;691828 wrote:i dont see anyone else here taking part of their check and donating it to balance the budget.

    I do every 2 weeks. I have also said I'd be willing to take a tax increase to help pay the debt once the budget is balanced.
  • Gblock
    derek bomar;691873 wrote:I'll do it right now. I was just promoted within the past year, and originally the offer was to move me out of state. I negotiated to stay here and I got a bonus in the end to boot plus a 25% pay raise. It works for me. Will you quit bitching now?

    who is bitching?.....you're the first one to say it worked for them. is this not a discussion board? why you so mad son?
  • LJ
    Gblock;691869 wrote:show me a post where someone said it was great or they got a better job or money or benefits. in this thread and the one on merit pay and wisconsin workers, there are tons of posts where people tell the teachers to stop whining because they should feel lucky. pretty much all of otraps posts and buckeyes posts tell how dreadful the private sector is right now....

    They aren't complaining about how it sucks to not have a CBA, they are telling you how out of touch public union employees are with the realities of the economy.
  • LJ
    Gblock;691876 wrote:who is bitching?.....you're the first one to say it worked for them. is this not a discussion board? why you so mad son?

    no he isn't, others have.
  • Gblock
    jmog;691875 wrote:I do every 2 weeks. I have also said I'd be willing to take a tax increase to help pay the debt once the budget is balanced.

    me too
  • Gblock
    LJ;691878 wrote:no he isn't, others have.

    who? maybe i missed it
  • jmog
    Gblock;691860 wrote:well there must be no good workers on here because everyone pretty much sounds like it sucks....who has it worked for on any of these posts

    Your reading comprehension sucks if you can honestly type that statment.

    Most of us on here have said that it has been great for us.
  • Prescott
    Privatize all schools and make them for profit. The good will survive, the poor will die.
  • LJ
    Gblock;691881 wrote:who? maybe i missed it

    Jmog did. My fiancee got a few grand higher than her first offer and 5 more vacation days (her offer was the average)
  • Gblock
    hmm.....well i havent read all the posts
  • jmog
    Gblock;691876 wrote:who is bitching?.....you're the first one to say it worked for them. is this not a discussion board? why you so mad son?

    You haven't read my posts then.

    3 years ago switch companies right at the start of the recession and negotiated a 30% pay raise and an extra week of vacation above what I got at my previous employer.
  • jmog
    jmog;691890 wrote:You haven't read my posts then.

    3 years ago switch companies right at the start of the recession and negotiated a 30% pay raise and an extra week of vacation above what I got at my previous employer.
    Oh yeah, my wife just started her first job out of the home in about 7 years. She negotiated an extra few thousand and gets her 1 week vacation at 6 months instead of 1 year.
  • bigkahuna
    Gblock;691530 wrote:i get it and that is why there will always be a shortage of these teachers. those who enjoy those subjects often go into other fields and dont want to work for what a starting teacher makes. one benefit tho is that they can get hired anyhere and anytime in any district...try getting a job with a social studies degree...it wont happen... our district has been laying off for last 5-6 years but is hiring special ed at all times for those who may want to get into teaching.


    This is me. I graduated in May 2008 and am still jobless as far as a full time teacher is concerned. Instead, I work part time for 2 separate districts and receive nothing besides STRS/Michigan-STRS (Forget the actual name).

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed though. I've had ~10 interviews over these 3 years but lose out to "more experienced" people. I'm hoping that I now have 2 part time positions that it will eventually=1 full time.
  • Gblock
    bigkahuna;691916 wrote:This is me. I graduated in May 2008 and am still jobless as far as a full time teacher is concerned. Instead, I work part time for 2 separate districts and receive nothing besides STRS/Michigan-STRS (Forget the actual name).

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed though. I've had ~10 interviews over these 3 years but lose out to "more experienced" people. I'm hoping that I now have 2 part time positions that it will eventually=1 full time.
    you should get a special ed cert or ESL
  • Gblock
    jmog;691898 wrote:Oh yeah, my wife just started her first job out of the home in about 7 years. She negotiated an extra few thousand and gets her 1 week vacation at 6 months instead of 1 year.

    congrats! i like to hear that. i honestly want everyone to do well ...ive been teaching 15 years and ive never felt like a burden on taxpayers. i dont like the feeling. seriously never crossed my mind much at all until about a month ago. i always felt thankful toward them and they towards myself. cant count the thousands of dollars ive spent on gas and materials for students always just did what needed to be done. i also never experienced taxpayer malevolence before. weird
  • Bigdogg
    Here is testimony from Policy Matters Ohio to the Ohio Senate Insurance, Commerce and Labor Committee. Policy Matters is a non-profit, non-partisan policy research institute. The supporting research shows that eliminating collective bargaining will not reduce state deficits, public employees earn less then private sector employees and it SB5 is simply bad policy.
    Upon taking office in 2005, Mitch Daniels in Indiana and Matt Blunt in Missouri eliminated collective bargaining agreements for state employees. Kentucky Governor Ernie Fletcher did the same in 2003. Yet according to data provided by the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, the budget shortfalls of these states in 2010 ranged from 10.6 percent of general revenue fund (Indiana) to 14.5 percent (Kentucky) to 22.7 percent (Missouri), mirroring the fiscal crisis of states across the nation.


    http://www.policymattersohio.org/pdf/TestimonySB52011_0217.pdf
  • Writerbuckeye
    centralbucksfan;691744 wrote:Poll: Americans favor union bargaining rights

    Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-22-poll-public-unions-wisconsin_N.htm

    As I noted earlier, you can't trust any poll that doesn't tell you WHO they polled. Saying you got the opinions of 1,000 adults says nothing about who they are, how they lean politically, their ages, occupations, etc.

    This poll is a disgrace, so far as journalism goes.