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Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

  • jmog
    Gblock;966384 wrote:I get what your saying and to some extent i do agree it is very rigorous, however i know some lawyers and math majors that werent rocket scientists...i will leave the doctors out of that discussion tho...but my point was what may be "harder"for someone in one regard may be "harder" in other aspects. its all relative. doing math problems and passing tests to get a BS in Math may be harder academically for some and maybe not for others. while student teaching other aspects of an education degree may be easy for some and impossible for others.
    Actually, once you get to a certain level in a math degree it becomes more of an "art" at times than just solving equations. When you get into theoretical mathematics it is far from just "solving an equation and passing a test".

    I did quite well in my theortetical math courses for my math degree but by God I hated them, because it was not what you called "solving equations and passing a test".

    Theoretical mathematics is more like an art at times as well to be honest. Even with though my degree was in applied mathematics (more classes in the 'solve this problem' type), I still had to take 4 theoretical math courses that truly sucked balls. Definitely more of an "art".
  • I Wear Pants
    QuakerOats;966326 wrote:You (and bonebuzzard) do know math, do you not? See post # 3442.
    It will eventually sink in.
    You don't understand statistics or logic do you? No, thought not.
  • fish82
    ernest_t_bass;965548 wrote:Lol... Oops. "Voted."
    iPhone, right? ;)
  • ernest_t_bass
    fish82;967068 wrote:iPhone, right? ;)

    Si
  • QuakerOats
    I Wear Pants;967044 wrote:You don't understand statistics or logic do you? No, thought not.

    Public union worker + spouse + parents + children = enough votes to vote themselves the public treasury despite everyone else voting against that.

    The equation is simple and Ben Franklin was right.
  • bonelizzard
    QuakerOats;967351 wrote:Public union worker + spouse + parents + children = enough votes to vote themselves the public treasury despite everyone else voting against that.

    The equation is simple and Ben Franklin was right.
    That's why we have the privilege to vote in our country. Our voice, and we were heard. Bonebuzzard.. that's catchy..
  • Writerbuckeye
    A letter to the newspaper from a small town councilwoman before the election, with some pretty compelling numbers as the issue related to her city. The union is strong in this small community, and there have already been layoffs in the schools and safety forces. People really don't get how much this could have helped SAVE JOBS by saving a lot of money (by comparison) for these communities.

    http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/article/20111102/OPINION03/111020316/Don-t-fooled-yes-vote-Issue-2-will-save-taxpayers-money
  • sleeper
    Writerbuckeye;967882 wrote:A letter to the newspaper from a small town councilwoman before the election, with some pretty compelling numbers as the issue related to her city. The union is strong in this small community, and there have already been layoffs in the schools and safety forces. People really don't get how much this could have helped SAVE JOBS by saving a lot of money (by comparison) for these communities.

    http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/article/20111102/OPINION03/111020316/Don-t-fooled-yes-vote-Issue-2-will-save-taxpayers-money
    +1

    Sadly, scare tactics and misinformation are much more easily spread than logic and reason.
  • Gblock
    Writerbuckeye;967882 wrote: and there have already been layoffs in the schools and safety forces.

    QUOTE]

    is that in the article?? i missed that part
  • Glory Days
    Writerbuckeye;967882 wrote:A letter to the newspaper from a small town councilwoman before the election, with some pretty compelling numbers as the issue related to her city. The union is strong in this small community, and there have already been layoffs in the schools and safety forces. People really don't get how much this could have helped SAVE JOBS by saving a lot of money (by comparison) for these communities.

    http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/article/20111102/OPINION03/111020316/Don-t-fooled-yes-vote-Issue-2-will-save-taxpayers-money
    i am sorry that city continues to vote for people who approve the new budgets and pay raises for the teachers etc.
  • Glory Days
    Gblock;967925 wrote:
    Writerbuckeye;967882 wrote: and there have already been layoffs in the schools and safety forces.
    is that in the article?? i missed that part
    Nope, it wasnt. Which is why this quote goes both ways.

    sleeper;967918 wrote: Sadly, scare tactics and misinformation are much more easily spread than logic and reason.
  • Abe Vigoda
    sleeper;967918 wrote:+1

    Sadly, scare tactics and misinformation are much more easily spread than logic and reason.
    In which both sides are equally guilty of.
  • LJ
    Since SB5 is dead I will be closing this thread in a few days
  • sleeper
    LJ;968120 wrote:Since SB5 is dead I will be closing this thread in a few days
    Why? If a topic still generates activity, no need to close down a thread.
  • sleeper
    Abe Vigoda;968118 wrote:In which both sides are equally guilty of.
    Yeah? What 'scare' tactics have the pro-SB5 crowd been spreading around?
  • Abe Vigoda
    sleeper;968130 wrote:Yeah? What 'scare' tactics have the pro-SB5 crowd been spreading around?
    Here is a start.

    http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/nov/04/building-better-ohio/building-better-ohio-says-public-workers-make-43-p/

    http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/nov/03/john-kasich/john-kasich-slams-use-out-state-arbitrators-contra/

    http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/oct/17/building-better-ohio/building-better-ohio-touts-issue-2-potential-savin/

    http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/sep/27/john-kasich/gov-john-kasich-says-leadership-public-unions-unwi/

    http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/09/10/kaschdefeatofissue2-may-causerecession/
  • sleeper
    All statements of fact.

    I don't see any "If you vote for issue 2, you hate children, teachers, and you want your house burned down".
  • Abe Vigoda
    sleeper;968189 wrote:All statements of fact.

    I don't see any "If you vote for issue 2, you hate children, teachers, and you want your house burned down".
    Where was that one at? I missed that ad. Link please.
  • BRF
    Close the thread.

    Let's see who starts the next thread and what it will be titled.
  • Writerbuckeye
    Gblock;967925 wrote:
    Writerbuckeye;967882 wrote: and there have already been layoffs in the schools and safety forces.

    QUOTE]

    is that in the article?? i missed that part
    This isn't an article, it's a letter to the editor. So no, it doesn't have anything about the layoffs that have happened at in Galion City Schools...but they did. Don't really care if you believe it or not.
  • Writerbuckeye
    Glory Days;967935 wrote:Nope, it wasnt. Which is why this quote goes both ways.
    You need to learn the difference between a letter to the editor, my commentary and a news article. It's not that hard.
  • fish82
    Abe Vigoda;968280 wrote:Where was that one at? I missed that ad. Link please.
    Then you didn't watch any TV for the past 4 months. It was on at least hourly.
  • Glory Days
    Writerbuckeye;968465 wrote:You need to learn the difference between a letter to the editor, my commentary and a news article. It's not that hard.
    you need to learn to post links for information like that. i am not familar with Galion, couldnt even tell you were it was on a map.
  • Bigdogg
    fish82;968487 wrote:Then you didn't watch any TV for the past 4 months. It was on at least hourly.
    Watched a lot and still missed it. Enlighten me with a link from an ad that your house will burn down if it doesn't pass..
  • LJ
    Glory Days;968849 wrote:you need to learn to post links for information like that. i am not familar with Galion, couldnt even tell you were it was on a map.[/QUOTE]

    South of Mansfield, north of the great mount known as Gilead