Senate Bill 5 Targets Collective Bargaining for Elimination!

• jmog

  bonelizzard;691514 wrote:off topic.
  Want to see true winners and losers? Go check out some High School district wrestling matches in your area today and tomorrow.
  If you like that sort of thing. I do.

  
  One thing we can agree on.
• bonelizzard

  CenterBHSFan;691535 wrote:How many teachers in this forum, since graduating college have worked in the private sectore as a professional BEFORE they began teaching?

  
  Not me. I chose to jump right into the profession that I went to school to be. A professional teacher. Ha. Semantics.
• bonelizzard

  Con_Alma;691523 wrote:Snowed out.

  
  that's no good..
  rescheduled?
• Con_Alma

  bonelizzard;691632 wrote:that's no good..
  rescheduled?

  
  Of course! Begins tomorrow.
• jmog

  Gblock;691400 wrote:i disagree respectfully...in my post if you read the whole thing i said not only do they work harder...but they have to be just as smart...

  
  I'm sorry, they have to have a skill set that most don't have, but pure intelligence I'm sorry, but an AP physics, AP chemistry, or AP calculus teacher is more intelligent (on average).
• bonelizzard

  Con_Alma;691633 wrote:Of course! Begins tomorrow.

  
  Sunday also?
• bases_loaded

  

  Those who can,do. Those that can't, teach!
• jmog

  ernest_t_bass;691426 wrote:Absolutely not, but I would assume that there is some type of base, no?

  
  Nope, based on market value, what you bring to the table vs what the company is willing to pay.
• bonelizzard

  bases_loaded;691639 wrote:Those who can,do. Those that can't, teach!

  
  Never heard that one before.. That's sarcasm by the way.
• jmog

  ernest_t_bass;691467 wrote:Is the lowest number in the range not a base for starting?

  
  Not really, depending on what you bring to the table (your experience, not in years but in actual work experience) and your background your base will be much different than someone else who comes in with the same degree, same years experience. It depends on what type of experience the employer is looking for, if you match them perfectly or you seem much smarter than the other guy who applied with the same level experience, your "base" will be much different in negotiations than his/hers.
• I Wear Pants

  The lowest you are allowed to be paid != what you will be paid.
  
  Hell, I work what I consider a non-real person job right now and I make more than minimum wage (not much).
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;691650 wrote:The lowest you are allowed to be paid != what you will be paid.
  
  Hell, I work what I consider a non-real person job right now and I make more than minimum wage (not much).

  
  Yeah, I am pretty sure a base salary means the absolute minimum you will make, then you can make more on top of that with incentives or comissions.
• bases_loaded

  

  bonelizzard;691644 wrote:Never heard that one before.. That's sarcasm by the way.

  
  Thanks for teaching me what sarcasm is. A win for you today!
• bases_loaded

  

  What does a union do that the individual can't?
• ernest_t_bass

  

  bases_loaded;691693 wrote:What does a union do that the individual can't?

  
  Protect a good teacher from a BOE or Super who has a personal vendetta or personal problem with an individual.
  
  (I've seen it happen first hand. You asked, so I'm providing you an example.)
• bases_loaded

  

  ernest_t_bass;691701 wrote:Protect a good teacher from a BOE or Super who has a personal vendetta or personal problem with an individual.
  
  (I've seen it happen first hand. You asked, so I'm providing you an example.)

  
  And being a "good" teacher...should have no problem finding a job elsewhere.
• LJ

  

  bases_loaded;691693 wrote:What does a union do that the individual can't?

  
  Protecting a bad employee from losing their job
  allow employees to strike, basically bullying the employer
• bases_loaded

  

  LJ;691707 wrote:Protecting a bad employee from losing their job
  allow employees to strike, basically bullying the employer

  
  AH! I see the problem.
  
  Their employer is the state...the state is funded by the taxpayers...the taxpayers are fed up with waste...the taxpayers elect people to represent them, I think we call them State Representatives and Senators.
  
  So this representer of the people brings a bill to the table that deals with an issue that he promised his constituents he would deal with and through union rhetoric we turn him into a devil keeping our kids out of school.
  
  DID I MISS ANYTHING
• Gblock

  well everyone here keeps talking about how crappy life is without one and how bad they have it and could be fired at any time and how little they are paid.
  
  
  then in the next sentence say how we should be excited to negotiate for ourselves and call us scared. you cant have it both ways.
  
  also i was thinking these "Bad Employees" who hired them? the union didnt. even after being hired they made it worse by letting them get in the union after a year of teaching....so if they were bad they should be fired after one year before getting in the union. these are the same people you want to put in charge on a yearly basis for evaluating every teacher every year. they obviously by your admission dont do a good job of it. they are where your problem lies more than the union because even with our union you can fire someone with the proper documentation which only requires more effort on the administrator to collect. who here has said how exciting it is to be out in the private sector negotiating for themselves.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  LJ;691707 wrote:Protecting a bad employee from losing their job
  allow employees to strike, basically bullying the employer

  
  Yes, the flipside to what I said. No one will disagree with you on this one. It is a CON that the union does. A negative thing. A disadvantage.
• LJ

  

  Gblock;691716 wrote:well everyone here keeps talking about how crappy life is without one and how bad they have it and could be fired at any time and how little they are paid.

  Who has said that? I don't think anyone talks about how crappy it is. You may think it's crappy, but that is your opinion.
  
  

  then in the next sentence say how we should be excited to negotiate for ourselves and call us scared. you cant have it both ways.

  I don't see anyone trying to do so?
  

  also i was thinking these "Bad Employees" who hired them? the union didnt. even after being hired they made it worse by letting them get in the union after a year of teaching....so if they were bad they should be fired after one year before getting in the union. these are the same people you want to put in charge on a yearly basis for evaluating every teacher every year. they obviously by your admission dont do a good job of it. they are where your problem lies more than the union because even with our union you can fire someone with the proper documentation which only requires more effort on the administrator to collect. who here has said how exciting it is to be out in the private sector negotiating for themselves.

  I can only tell you from experience with the AFGE, but people will do the bare minimum once they get into the Union. The non-union employees were PIP'd if they performed like the AFGE employees, but because of the CBA, the AFGE employees could get away with doing bare minimum.
• Gblock

  LJ;691721 wrote:Who has said that? I don't think anyone talks about how crappy it is. You may think it's crappy, but that is your opinion.
  
  
  I don't see anyone trying to do so?
  
  I can only tell you from experience with the AFGE, but people will do the bare minimum once they get into the Union. The non-union employees were PIP'd if they performed like the AFGE employees, but because of the CBA, the AFGE employees could get away with doing bare minimum.

  look back through the posts...no positive experiences posted about self promotion...only gripes about benefits, salary and hours worked...plenty of posts saying that we should look forward to negotiate as an indivdual and also posts painting us as scared
• LJ

  

  Gblock;691723 wrote:look back through the posts...no positive experiences posted about self promotion...only gripes about benefits, salary and hours worked...plenty of posts saying that we should look forward to negotiate as an indivdual and also posts painting us as scared

  
  I don't see any gripes.
• Gblock

  really?? I guess we have a different definition of gripes...are there any postive stories/comments?
• LJ

  

  Gblock;691728 wrote:really?? I guess we have a different definition of gripes...are there any postive stories/comments?

  
  I think it is more just telling you the reality of companies that have to either break even or make a profit. You think it's griping, yet you are getting all this stuff from a "company" (the state) who is basically bankrupt (giant deficit)